The winner gets lethal injectionUnkleRukus wrote:
Death row inmates should be given a choice, fight each other to the death or take the lethal injection.
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I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
"I don't know how you can presume" Cos I work in Law Enforcement, I am in contact with the local intelligence agencies, I talk to crooks. That's how I presume!jord wrote:
I don't know how you can presume very few people have a successful criminal career, surely the ones that do are never caught and never accounted for...BN wrote:
Sorry, the crooks I deal with on a regular basis.jord wrote:
I don't understand the term "Crooks", is that like petty crime? GBH/ABH/Theft/Affray/etc?
Criminals that make money in a strictly business sense, can be very intelligent.
druggies, robbers, thieves, wife beaters, shop lifters, drunks. We see the same people most of the time. 80% of our time is taken up by the same 20% of the population.
Very few people have a successful career in crime here. There are 2 types; your deadshit who never has money and is drugfucked. And your "higher end crook"; they make lots of money but for short periods as they tend to get killed over stupid matters.
That's assuming criminal business is someones only form of income. I know a few people that have an indoor cultivation setup that earns them £5000 every 3 months on top of their legal income. 2 of them have done it for 25 years, it's not terribly difficult.
We know who's in our patch and we who's doing what. Even the dealers who think they are "flying under the radar and haven't been noticed" are noticed.
Example of stupidity; 6 months ago on foot patrol down back alleyway. I see man in car cooking up heroin. I walk up and say "put that spoon down on the dashboard carefully and step out of the car". All he has to do is tip the heroin out of the spoon and I have no evidence. But,like a dumb-ass, he carefully put the spoon full of heroin on the dash and gives me my evidence for a conviction.
Example 2; running a breath testing operation. Randomly select driver and he pulls in. He winds down his window and says "I don't know how you do it, but you always seem to get me". He pops the boot of his car and shows me 2kgs of skunk. I'm almost laughing at his stupidity.
The more stupid they are, the easier my job gets.
Sorry, the crooks I deal with on a regular basis.jord wrote:
I don't understand the term "Crooks", is that like petty crime? GBH/ABH/Theft/Affray/etc?BN wrote:
Underestimating crooks? You have to be kidding.jord wrote:
Criminals aren't dumb as dog shit, some are more intelligent than the officers interogating them. Underestimating people is your first step downhill.
I deal with the same pieces of shit every day and they are nowhere near smart.
Criminals that make money in a strictly business sense, can be very intelligent.
druggies, robbers, thieves, wife beaters, shop lifters, drunks. We see the same people most of the time. 80% of our time is taken up by the same 20% of the population.
Very few people have a successful career in crime here. There are 2 types; your deadshit who never has money and is drugfucked. And your "higher end crook"; they make lots of money but for short periods as they tend to get killed over stupid matters.
Underestimating crooks? You have to be kidding.jord wrote:
Criminals aren't dumb as dog shit, some are more intelligent than the officers interogating them. Underestimating people is your first step downhill.BN wrote:
Confessions make our job a lot easier. Even with really good evidence (and no confession) there is no guarantee a jury will convict.Macbeth wrote:
In anycase, it's always interesting to see how many people the police manage to make confess when they don't have any evidence at all. Like 1 out of every 3 cases, the officers say before they go to interrogate someone something like "If we don't get a confession out of him now, we'll have to release him because we have nothing on him". Like 99% of the time the police manage to get the guy to talk.
Crooks are crooks for a reason, they are dumb as dog shit. If they were smart they would give a "no comment" interview.
I deal with the same pieces of shit every day and they are nowhere near smart.
Confessions make our job a lot easier. Even with really good evidence (and no confession) there is no guarantee a jury will convict.Macbeth wrote:
In anycase, it's always interesting to see how many people the police manage to make confess when they don't have any evidence at all. Like 1 out of every 3 cases, the officers say before they go to interrogate someone something like "If we don't get a confession out of him now, we'll have to release him because we have nothing on him". Like 99% of the time the police manage to get the guy to talk.
Crooks are crooks for a reason, they are dumb as dog shit. If they were smart they would give a "no comment" interview.
Are they really terrorists?
If someone invaded my country and I fought back that would not make me a terrorist.
If someone invaded my country and I fought back that would not make me a terrorist.
BobKatt = Pauline Hanson
I would rather Brendan Abbott as prime minister over Tony.
Issues parties are not afraid to touch.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
What are wars compared to violence in Left 4 Dead 2?BN wrote:
I am disappointed in all parties for NOT making the wars an election issue.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Just voted. On a sour note though, two more aussie soldiers have died in Afghanistan, this is getting ridiculous.
(Also free sausage sizzle ftw )
I am disappointed in all parties for NOT making the wars an election issue.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Just voted. On a sour note though, two more aussie soldiers have died in Afghanistan, this is getting ridiculous.
(Also free sausage sizzle ftw )
I saw her on the ABC last Sunday (I think it was Offsiders with Barry Cassidy). She got asked about 8 questions and didn't really answer any of them. Just turn the question around to an ad for her policies. It left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Not saying Abbott would be any different, all politicians give me the shits and it seems impossible to get a yes/no answer out of them.Spark wrote:
Every time she's actually been put under the spotlight and done a non-scripted thing she has impressed me immensely (although that isn't enough to convince me ofc)Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Anyones thoughts on Gillard? not really sure yet myself
"I am for working families" came up about 17 times.
I am going to vote Labor by default. Abbot is not someone I would like to be PM.
My vote doesn't count anyway, I live in a blue ribbon Liberal seat.
I'm more interested in the Vic State Election.
My vote doesn't count anyway, I live in a blue ribbon Liberal seat.
I'm more interested in the Vic State Election.
Success of policing is not judged on just the outcome. How you get there is just as important. You have the use the minimum amount of force required for as little time as possible.Spark wrote:
but he was criminals (which he wasn't) and obviously that justifies any and all actions that the police may takeit doesn't matter what they did to deserve to be arrested, you DO NOT BEAT A SUBDUED INDIVIDUAL period
I don't know where you live but in Australia that statement could be be farther from the truth.Reciprocity wrote:
I don't go around filming cops but I also don't trust them any more than any other person. Police have no duty or legal obligation to protect individuals. They aren't looking out for my interests, they aren't serving me, and I don't expect them to. Their job is to maintain whatever order they want and to fill their quotas. You seem to think they should be judge, jury and executioner.
1. We do have a legal "duty of care" on duty as well as off duty.
2. As cynical as you may appear Cops join the job to help people, not to fill quotas.
3. We are serving you, the public, the community.
The para-military side refers to our rank and structure as for our operational side it's more to do with the "Peelian Principles".LostFate wrote:
Well perhaps they fucking should, we pay for there wages police work for us the public not for corrupt politicians who want to keep us under control by force in a police state that you fuckers are helping make.BN wrote:
t. As for "Militarization of the police" Most police organisations are para-military and make no apologies for it.
I can only talk about Victoria. The laws and regulations are quite strict and the vetting process is quite thorough. Even when moving a licensed firearm from 1 registered house to another it requires an inspection of the gun safe & weapon.Dilbert_X wrote:
Out of interest, what is the general attitude within the Australian Police to licensed firearms owners?
Generally, people in country areas can be quite lax about the storage of any weapon. The days of having the shottie sitting behind the kitchen door are still alive and well.
I know of a case when a ute was stolen from a residence. The owner reported the ute stolen but failed to tell us there was a winchester shotgun sitting in the front seat at the time of theft. A few people not happy and quite rightly.
Most people don't give us any bother and follow the rules.
Probationary Constable.Choclot wrote:
What rank?BN wrote:
Victoria, Australia.eleven bravo wrote:
what PD are you a part of?
Victoria, Australia.eleven bravo wrote:
what PD are you a part of?
As a civvy I have never had any problem with police. They have always been courteous, respectful and honest with me. Even when I have been pissed up and perhaps trying their patience.
Now that I am a copper I can certainly see why it is hard to always remain courteous. But that is all part of being professional. You might come across a copper who 1 hour ago has been spat at, vomited on and pissed on. He might lose his rag at you and, unfortunately, that is how you will see all coppers. We are not robots, we are human, we make mistakes, we have so many people to try and please, we get 1000 pieces of abuse hurled at us for every 1 compliment we get.
Corruption has no place in policing and I reject Lostfate's claim of "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!". That is a mass generalisation and total load of bullshit. As for "Militarization of the police" Most police organisations are para-military and make no apologies for it.
Now that I am a copper I can certainly see why it is hard to always remain courteous. But that is all part of being professional. You might come across a copper who 1 hour ago has been spat at, vomited on and pissed on. He might lose his rag at you and, unfortunately, that is how you will see all coppers. We are not robots, we are human, we make mistakes, we have so many people to try and please, we get 1000 pieces of abuse hurled at us for every 1 compliment we get.
Corruption has no place in policing and I reject Lostfate's claim of "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!". That is a mass generalisation and total load of bullshit. As for "Militarization of the police" Most police organisations are para-military and make no apologies for it.
The problem is with ANYONE wearing a uniform is that the whole organisation is judged on 1 person's actions.
Cops should be filmed for your safety? We should be filmed for OUR safety.KingCheese wrote:
While ever coppers are prepared to pull guns in completely minor situations like that, you should all be filmed all of the time for our safety (you know, the people you work for) regardless of whether you like it or not.BN wrote:
That is untrue. Many law enforcement officers, my self included, do not like to be filmed as it puts ourselves at risk of being identified outside work. Many officers don't even like their names in the papers due to the "clients" we have to deal with.ATG wrote:
The only people afraid of being filmed performing public service are the cunts who know they themselves break the law.
That is untrue. Many law enforcement officers, my self included, do not like to be filmed as it puts ourselves at risk of being identified outside work. Many officers don't even like their names in the papers due to the "clients" we have to deal with.ATG wrote:
The only people afraid of being filmed performing public service are the cunts who know they themselves break the law.
Independent?Dilbert_X wrote:
Well, I have no idea who I'll be voting for.
Labour - seem to have stuffed up more in the last two weeks than the last two years
Liberal - Don't think I'm voting for a Catholic or Joe Hockey, my local rep is Christopher Pyne.....
Green - Mindlessly anti-shooting sports - Otherwise I'd think about it.
Family First - So I'd be second? No.
Any ideas?
That's why I don't mind paying tax. It's a small price to pay for the country I live in.Harmor wrote:
We should learn from you Aussies...your country is in better shape right now. Oh, also its 1.54 Trillion, not $1.3 Rillion last I checked.
Why wouldn't you call the police?
The Comanche would be great if you were fighting a conventional army.
The US are addicted to military spending. How many jobs and tax dollars are creating by military spending?
It's no worse than building a church near a bombed out abortion clinic.
I love America. Instead of being angry at the government for being "asleep at the wheel" during 9/11 they blame some extreme part of a religeon for all their woes.
I love America. Instead of being angry at the government for being "asleep at the wheel" during 9/11 they blame some extreme part of a religeon for all their woes.
All small breasts are to be handed into your local police station where I shall be waiting with open arms to receive them.
Over large distances the spotter will be looking for the vortex to see where the round goes.Mekstizzle wrote:
I'm the one saying it's probably harder than that especially in real war situations. He's the one talking about being able to see vortexes and shit. Fuck.
"With sufficient foreign assistance, Iran could probably develop and test an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of reaching the United States by 2015."
With "sufficient foreign assistance" any country could have a missile.
It's a blog written by a "journalist" at Fox News. Oh please. Get a grip.
With "sufficient foreign assistance" any country could have a missile.
It's a blog written by a "journalist" at Fox News. Oh please. Get a grip.
Where have we heard this bulldust before? Iraq
The other thread was locked so I started another.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/04 … z0liVe6BIc
Interesting to see a point of view from someone who was on the ground.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/04 … z0liVe6BIc
Interesting to see a point of view from someone who was on the ground.
I remember that day vividly. Spent the entire day inside playing NHL09 on my Xbox.Jaekus wrote:
I have a mate who lives in Melbourne and he said he walked out of work that day at 5pm from aircon and it felt like walking into an oven. 47 degrees is just nuts, there's nothing anyone could do except hope for cooler temps and maybe some rain.
The fire crews could not get within 500m of the fires due to the temperatures and the speed as to which it was travelling. The only way you can fight fire from that distance is to "back burn" or wait for the cool change.
She should have stayed at the command centre. But the outcome would have been the same whether she was there nor not.Dilbert_X wrote:
So is Christine Nixon a fat incompetent who likes food over responsibility or is she the scapegoat for the Black Saturday mess because she's the woman in the room?
Like any top level manager, she delegated. The regional commanders were in "on the ground" and in charge. She doesn't know about fires and stuff like that.
I disagree that the Chief Commissioner of Police should be in charge of this type of disaster.
People/press criticise her for not all a State of Emergency; only the Premier can do that.
Ps. On a side note. She should have never been CC of VicPol. She was white-anted out of NSWPol by Peter Ryan for being hopeless. She has made the entry standards to VicPol for women a total joke. She failed to bring in new sidearms for VicPol. She is so hated the VicPol Police Union are still gunning for her.
As of mid-2007, the National Police Forces' employed approximately 25,000 national policeSpark wrote:
iraq didn't have a local or federal police...BN wrote:
Pull out.eleven bravo wrote:
ok. I agree, we shouldnt have invaded. Iraq posed absolutely no threat and the bush administration knowingly misled the public in order to justify an invasion. now that we've got that out of the way and we could both say we stand on the same position on that subject, could you please suggest a different way a military should be able win? because the fact is we are there, now, engaging an enemy in a fluid combat environment.
Its not your job, correct. Its not my job either. But you cant say this is wrong wrong wrong wrong without at least giving me something practical to think about. Please, considering we are there and thats not going to change any time soon, what should be done instead?
We have liberated Iraq from Hussein. Iraq seem to have a domestic terrorism problem which should be dealt with by the local & federal police.
Pull out.eleven bravo wrote:
ok. I agree, we shouldnt have invaded. Iraq posed absolutely no threat and the bush administration knowingly misled the public in order to justify an invasion. now that we've got that out of the way and we could both say we stand on the same position on that subject, could you please suggest a different way a military should be able win? because the fact is we are there, now, engaging an enemy in a fluid combat environment.BN wrote:
Default action is to kill? It would be different if Iraq were liberating USA and they killed civilians.eleven bravo wrote:
yes. unless you figure out a new way to master urban combat in the 21st century.
That's not my job to figure it out how to master urban combat.
As this was a liberation and not a "war" this should have been thought of prior to going in to Iraq.
Default killing is just wrong.
Its not your job, correct. Its not my job either. But you cant say this is wrong wrong wrong wrong without at least giving me something practical to think about. Please, considering we are there and thats not going to change any time soon, what should be done instead?
We have liberated Iraq from Hussein. Iraq seem to have a domestic terrorism problem which should be dealt with by the local & federal police.
Default action is to kill? Most people would feel different if Iraq were liberating USA and they killed civilians.eleven bravo wrote:
yes. unless you figure out a new way to master urban combat in the 21st century.BN wrote:
So the default action is to kill them?RTHKI wrote:
That would require getting closer, no? And who knows, what if they were hiding weapons....
That's not my job to figure it out how to master urban combat.
As this was a liberation and not a "war" this should have been thought of prior to going in to Iraq.
Default killing is just wrong.
So the default action is to kill them?RTHKI wrote:
That would require getting closer, no? And who knows, what if they were hiding weapons....BN wrote:
Thank you Wikileaks for this.
This is a disgrace. How can you be so sure there is an RPG & AK's and be so far from the truth? Surely being "the good guys" you need to be 100% sure that they were armed.
Liberators my ass.
Thank you Wikileaks for this.
This is a disgrace. How can you be so sure there is an RPG & AK's and be so far from the truth? Surely being "the good guys" you need to be 100% sure that they were armed.
Why would you engage a unarmed van driver helping a wounded person? Is that in the ROE?
The cover-up in the aftermath is even more of a disgrace.
We are supposed to be liberating this country and all we are doing, and have been doing, is creating resentment and more insurgents.
This is a disgrace. How can you be so sure there is an RPG & AK's and be so far from the truth? Surely being "the good guys" you need to be 100% sure that they were armed.
Why would you engage a unarmed van driver helping a wounded person? Is that in the ROE?
The cover-up in the aftermath is even more of a disgrace.
We are supposed to be liberating this country and all we are doing, and have been doing, is creating resentment and more insurgents.
I am listening to the local police radio. interesting stuff
They should ban christians from air travel
So where does bottle come from? The water fairy?Dilbert_X wrote:
Queensland is under water at present, drinking water is trivial compared with the amount wasted for other uses.BN wrote:
I am dead set against bottled water particularly in Australia. We have a 10 year long drought. By bottling water you take water out of the natural water flow plus you waste water producing the plastic required for the bottle. Our drinking water is great, nothing wrong with it.
You can take as much water out as you like but as a citizen I can't wash my car due to water usage restrictions.
Bottling water doesn't take it out of the system.
Look at the amount of water is takes to produce a bottle
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/ … 41959.html
So terrorism and crime is ok, so long as you agree with it?Reciprocity wrote:
holy shit, that's more insightful now that it was 4 pages ago. good job.SealXo wrote:
lol one mans terrorists is another mans patriot.
see benjamin franklin for more
I am dead set against bottled water particularly in Australia. We have a 10 year long drought. By bottling water you take water out of the natural water flow plus you waste water producing the plastic required for the bottle. Our drinking water is great, nothing wrong with it.
You can take as much water out as you like but as a citizen I can't wash my car due to water usage restrictions.
You can take as much water out as you like but as a citizen I can't wash my car due to water usage restrictions.
She is no Natasha Stott-DespojaDilbert_X wrote:
She is cute, better eye-candy than the average no-neck fat bloke.
passing Joseph Farah as a "terrorist expert" is a disgrace. Very poor journalism by all who printed and re-printed this story.
Terrorists Could Use Explosives in Breast Implants to Crash Planes, Experts Warn
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/03/24 … 2181872:z6
Fox News....is there no depths to which you will sink to ?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/03/24 … 2181872:z6
Fox News....is there no depths to which you will sink to ?
that sounds tough.Karbin wrote:
From when I was in;
Weightload March a distance of 13 km in full fighting gear and rucksack (for a total of 35 kg) in under 2 hr 26 min 20 s. Casualty evacuation (fireman’s
carry) another soldier of similar weight and height a distance of 100m, with both soldiers wearing a helmet
and carrying ammunition and a weapon, in under 60 seconds. Ammunition box lift of 48 boxes (20.9 kg)
from the floor to a height of 1.3 m, completing the task in less than 5 minutes. Trench Dig using a shovel,
to move .486 cubic metres of standard pea gravel from one trench box to another, completing the task in
under 6 minutes.
And thats from 20+ years ago.
I was complaining cos I had to get 8.4 on the beep test when I joined the cops 6 months ago.
That shits all over my beep test.