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Lowing, you keep asking about what other groups are being appeased by liberals the same way that the European Liberals are looking at dealing with Muslims.
In the UK the government have been talking to the IRA (or rather the factions that were grouped together and called the IRA by the press) for decades to try to come to some sort of agreement. As part of that process, the UK government has made concessions and so has the opposition.
Some could argue that the UK government was guilty of appeasing the Irish terrorist organisations (who were over here blowing our shit up incidentally). Some would argue that the UK government saw that there was a problem and tackled it....but who would be right?
In the UK the government have been talking to the IRA (or rather the factions that were grouped together and called the IRA by the press) for decades to try to come to some sort of agreement. As part of that process, the UK government has made concessions and so has the opposition.
Some could argue that the UK government was guilty of appeasing the Irish terrorist organisations (who were over here blowing our shit up incidentally). Some would argue that the UK government saw that there was a problem and tackled it....but who would be right?
Sorry but after reading that post, I fail to see where it says that anyone wants to appease terrorists.
It does have more to do with looking at accepting others who are different from ourselves though, finding out what makes them tick and seeing if we can live together. There's nothing wrong with that, its been happening globally for years with more success in some areas of the world than others admittedly, but all the same it is commonplace.
The biggest issue here is due to the acts of a small minority of people who say that they are acting in the name of a larger group, bigots target the larger group for retaliation. That's dumb which ever way you want to look at it.
Here is a scenario for you.
If I could get enough publicity by targeting Western bases around the world and claim to be a UK Christian extremist trying to rid the world of the Western beast, would the world declare war on all UK Christians?
I think not, it is merely the fact that Islam is used by the terrorists as their "Signature" that turns the rest of the world against those who follow Islam. It a shame really, most of the Muslims I know are really decent people who are accepting of others' ways of life and just want the opportunity to get on with their lives without the fear of being targeted for a beating because Osama drops a plane into a building in their name or closer to home organises the bombing of tube trains.
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u get 12
Have to agree_raab wrote:
Apple crumble with custard is unbeatable.
They should be wired so the sniper has to detonate them rather than let them explode automatically. That would mean the sniper would need to be near them for them to work and lay a wire limiting their retreat distance.
"Flick the safety and bang that sucker three times!!"
"Flick the safety and bang that sucker three times!!"
I can agree with you in part, pre sighted targets are a legitimate reason to get hit, except we were on the water when we were hit and took two different routes (was in totally separate areas of the water)....[pt] KEIOS wrote:
@chaos_nation:
as a squadleader, you can set a mark on waypoints or where your squad should attack. if you put this mark on fixed targets, or targets you know they are there, like a spawning boat, it is a good way to shoot at stuff which is out of sight. we often do this, to attack stinger positions, being out of their range, but within the range of our tv-missiles.
it can be a cheat, but it could also be a smart guy.. and with the tow-rocket at the hotel of sharqi, you can keep down both choppers, if you know the points to aim at.
within days of starting to play this game (early this year) I was hit by anti tank missile on sharqi...nothing wrong with that you say...well I had just left spawn in a RIB and was heading over water when I was hit. So tried again, back in the RIB (where the MEC Helo spawns) got sniper rifle zoomed into the fog in rough direction of mainland when I see a trail from AT rocket come straight towards us and blow boat up. That was within days of playing BF2 online for first time. It didnt surprise me at all though, BF2 is protected (thats a joke btw) by PB. Sorry but PB arnt that good at stopping cheats due to their cheat detection process.
There is no economic growth...what country are you living in, it definitely inst Britain.
Realtime employment is falsified by all the non jobs created under the labour government to keep unemployment figures down, there is no real manufacturing in the UK anymore, its all in China, we do not even own our own Car manufacturing Company.
Sure London might have signs of growth, but the rest of this country is facing recession and has been for the past 18 months. All of the major manufacturing plants from my area are gone now. We have a shit load of supermarkets being opened and shopping centres in place of factories...problem is, without the factories to provide the wage, the money isn't there to spend at the supermarkets. Its a joke!
At the end of the day, ALL politicians are out for one thing, regardless of the stance they show in public...they want the power and fuck the rest of us and how it affects our lives. They don't give two shits about those who have to make do with minimum wage, working overtime all the while to make ends meet and keep a roof over their family's heads, in fact they make it harder to make ends meet by imposing maximum working hours in some industries, so If you cant earn enough in normal hours your fucked. They're only happy when your not on a list that can be used against them.
They will say what they believe will make them popular to keep them in the cosy position that they have. I will give Brown one concession, he is seeking expert help from top names in industry, from people who have the experience to run businesses....the country is a really just a big business and it amazes me that politicians get the roles they do with no experience what so ever in the field they are to act as minister to.
Realtime employment is falsified by all the non jobs created under the labour government to keep unemployment figures down, there is no real manufacturing in the UK anymore, its all in China, we do not even own our own Car manufacturing Company.
Sure London might have signs of growth, but the rest of this country is facing recession and has been for the past 18 months. All of the major manufacturing plants from my area are gone now. We have a shit load of supermarkets being opened and shopping centres in place of factories...problem is, without the factories to provide the wage, the money isn't there to spend at the supermarkets. Its a joke!
At the end of the day, ALL politicians are out for one thing, regardless of the stance they show in public...they want the power and fuck the rest of us and how it affects our lives. They don't give two shits about those who have to make do with minimum wage, working overtime all the while to make ends meet and keep a roof over their family's heads, in fact they make it harder to make ends meet by imposing maximum working hours in some industries, so If you cant earn enough in normal hours your fucked. They're only happy when your not on a list that can be used against them.
They will say what they believe will make them popular to keep them in the cosy position that they have. I will give Brown one concession, he is seeking expert help from top names in industry, from people who have the experience to run businesses....the country is a really just a big business and it amazes me that politicians get the roles they do with no experience what so ever in the field they are to act as minister to.
Brown inherited a prosperous economy from the tories and now is selling off every thing the government owns to keep his deficit in order...He is a moron.Bertster7 wrote:
If your going to criticise him for being in charge of the treasury throughout the UKs strongest period of economic growth then that's just silly. He did a lot good things while he was Chancellor.Chaos_nation wrote:
Let me remind you who was responsible for the Budget for the UK over the past god knows how many years. UK citizens pay more in tax now than ever before. Each budget that was announced gave you £50 and took £500.... it's a joke. Now this guy is running the country. Yes he has made noises to improve the situation but he is a politician and is looking for another term. Nothing the Labour party has promised has come to fruition, I dont believe it will change that much under Brown.
One further point, if (and I do mean if) we are to be forced to have ID cards, then the state should supply them FOC, not fucking charge you for them!!
Let me remind you who was responsible for the Budget for the UK over the past god knows how many years. UK citizens pay more in tax now than ever before. Each budget that was announced gave you £50 and took £500.... it's a joke. Now this guy is running the country. Yes he has made noises to improve the situation but he is a politician and is looking for another term. Nothing the Labour party has promised has come to fruition, I dont believe it will change that much under Brown.
One further point, if (and I do mean if) we are to be forced to have ID cards, then the state should supply them FOC, not fucking charge you for them!!
One further point, if (and I do mean if) we are to be forced to have ID cards, then the state should supply them FOC, not fucking charge you for them!!
Have been reading this on BBC news. TBH, I am flabergasted, I thought it was only British Judges that were namby pamby liberals.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6918562.stm
I mean, this guy is trying to protect the citizens of his town and now the higher courts have judged the laws he passed to be unconstitutional!!. Illegal immigrants have better rights than legal citizens now or just the same rights?
This sort of crap happens in the UK all the time and it just chokes me.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6918562.stm
I mean, this guy is trying to protect the citizens of his town and now the higher courts have judged the laws he passed to be unconstitutional!!. Illegal immigrants have better rights than legal citizens now or just the same rights?
This sort of crap happens in the UK all the time and it just chokes me.
Its hard to say...this game gives so many awe moments.
We are progressing...its relativeFenris_GreyClaw wrote:
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Or am we?Polux wrote:
I dont see anywhere in my post that I state that there is only one God.
The fact that mankind has evolved believing in Gods is proof enough. For a God (any God that is, not just THE God of your own particular religion) to exist in the minds and hearts of people who follow religion is proof enough for those who follow the religion. Since there are so many religions around followed by millions of people, who are we to say that their God is fake? That just reeks of ignorance for others.
BTW, I do not follow any particular religion nor do I believe in an omnipotent being that protects and guides us but I would not have the audacity to suggest that someone who followed religion to shape their life is a fool for following a fake which is basically what this thread started out by saying.
The fact that mankind has evolved believing in Gods is proof enough. For a God (any God that is, not just THE God of your own particular religion) to exist in the minds and hearts of people who follow religion is proof enough for those who follow the religion. Since there are so many religions around followed by millions of people, who are we to say that their God is fake? That just reeks of ignorance for others.
BTW, I do not follow any particular religion nor do I believe in an omnipotent being that protects and guides us but I would not have the audacity to suggest that someone who followed religion to shape their life is a fool for following a fake which is basically what this thread started out by saying.
What pisses me off is the lack of respect shown to others who do not agree with your view. Just because you do not understand the principles behind a subject such as religion (You don't understand the holy trinity even which is one of the simplest of concepts [from another thread]), it does not give you the right to disrespect the values that others hold dear in their lives by making the statements you have in this thread and by posing such unreasoned questions that show no thought or real argument. When I read the initial post, I saw one thing that was clear, you don't understand religion at all so you take the easy option of picking someone else's argument and then posting it here. This thread would be less disgusting if you had reasoned your arguments properly, but I doubt whether you have learned anything about reasoned arguments either....you sure know nothing at all about religion.
I will give you a very good example of how God exists. Millions of people around this tiny planet we live on believe in a God (whatever form they deem it to be), be they Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever their faith is. There is your proof. It is absolute... God exists for people who chose to follow God. No more proof is needed.
You cannot show me the science of gravity but since we can see its effects, we can happily believe in i. Why? because scientists have reasoned the theory and it is a concept we can believe.
We cannot prove the existence of God, but we can see the effects of believing in a God. And for millions of people who are far more informed than you are to argue the concept, that is enough for them.
Therefore....GOD EXISTS. Case closed.
I will give you a very good example of how God exists. Millions of people around this tiny planet we live on believe in a God (whatever form they deem it to be), be they Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever their faith is. There is your proof. It is absolute... God exists for people who chose to follow God. No more proof is needed.
You cannot show me the science of gravity but since we can see its effects, we can happily believe in i. Why? because scientists have reasoned the theory and it is a concept we can believe.
We cannot prove the existence of God, but we can see the effects of believing in a God. And for millions of people who are far more informed than you are to argue the concept, that is enough for them.
Therefore....GOD EXISTS. Case closed.
All I can say is that the badges are updating for me and that the hours I have played last night are logged now which they were not before.
I would suggest you try it and see for your self (and keep your fingers crossed)
Regards and gl
I would suggest you try it and see for your self (and keep your fingers crossed)
Regards and gl
Further to my previous post, SF is now updating hours currently played but not hours from before last night.
@ TheAussieReaper, I used the term outage since all of the stats did not come back online when EA said they would which to me means they never fixed the problem properly despite what they have said.
SF and EF times were not updating although points earned were. Badges for SF were not updating until last night either which they are now as well. This has not been mentioned in this thread (the one that I am following) before.
If this has been mentioned in other threads then fair enough, I am not following those, I chose one early on to contribute to and followed it not the other ones.
@ TheAussieReaper, I used the term outage since all of the stats did not come back online when EA said they would which to me means they never fixed the problem properly despite what they have said.
SF and EF times were not updating although points earned were. Badges for SF were not updating until last night either which they are now as well. This has not been mentioned in this thread (the one that I am following) before.
If this has been mentioned in other threads then fair enough, I am not following those, I chose one early on to contribute to and followed it not the other ones.
Have had some SF badges show up on BFHQ today. Just need to see if hours are updating properly and I think we may be near the end of this outage
Only one answer, the same as your enemy....AK series. Its proven on all battle grounds and lets face it, they are easy to pick up, replace, repair, get ammo for etc.
Fat people are easier to hit. WS FTW
It isn't just SF, I don't get time updates for EF either although points do log.
With SF, I am getting points, but no times or badges ribbons etc.
I have been in contact with EA over this but have not heard a thing for 5 days now.
That said, points are not the be all and end all of the game and I am just enjoying playing for the fun of it at the moment without the pressure of "I need so many kills as such and such to get my next badge/ribbon"
Peace out
With SF, I am getting points, but no times or badges ribbons etc.
I have been in contact with EA over this but have not heard a thing for 5 days now.
That said, points are not the be all and end all of the game and I am just enjoying playing for the fun of it at the moment without the pressure of "I need so many kills as such and such to get my next badge/ribbon"
Peace out
Medal of Honor Allied Assault. Took about 4 years to get me off that one, but still go back to it now for a quick frag.
I just love that cartoon.....nice one.
A 310 kill streak is just unbelievable, no-one is that lucky to avoid death for so long.
Laughed my tits off when you told him to go to church ....
Laughed my tits off when you told him to go to church ....
The answer to the stats problem is here somewhere. I reported a couple of servers that showed badges awarded, gave EA the IP and time I was on, my player id and game name and had this is response.
Last update I had was that the information I have submitted had been forwarded to to the techys to try and sort this out. There is a glimmer of hope.
I did point out that I was sending him information in my ticket and have had a more sensible reply back since (poor guy must be stressed out with all the "my stats wont update" tickets he gets to deal with. Its not a fun job, I have done some support work and you would be surprised at some of the requests we got). Still nice of him to point me back here for advice etc.Hi,
You have reached technical support; we have no gameplay information that we can offer to assist you. Although many of our games are very technical in nature or difficult to play, the issue you are encountering is not with the game.
You may want to surf the web and check out some of the major video game sites as they usually offer codes and gameplay hints for EA games. One major resource for Hints and Tips is for Battlefield 2 is http://ubar.bf2s.com/. Also, newsgroups are a good source of information as hardcore gamers often message each other back and forth in these forums.
Last update I had was that the information I have submitted had been forwarded to to the techys to try and sort this out. There is a glimmer of hope.
Thats gotta make you cringe.
As long as the anticheat program is patched into the game, the majority of hacks will work unfortunately. @ the thread starter, if your accused there is absolutely nothing you can do to prove your innocence. Sorry bud, its just the way it is.
I posted in this thread at end of may when ribbon didnt show up, so thought it best to post here when it did...anyone searching for MEC ribbon gets pointed to this thread then instead of multiple ones. Dont know why he used the image though, but at least you know why he is posting in an old thread.
Kudos
Kudos
MEC Ribbon appeared tonight. Was speechless. So there is hope I suppose.
If your going to do that use this format, it may help I dont know, but at least its worth a try.
I had points update immediately tonight but no badges (only basic medic and assault for SF but still, I only just got the addon and I want to fill my chest with medals)
I had points update immediately tonight but no badges (only basic medic and assault for SF but still, I only just got the addon and I want to fill my chest with medals)
Good luck mate, hope you get your missing awards etc. I have my fingers crossed for mine.Thank you for your patience regarding the outage we have been experiencing.
The processing of all the past backlogged stats for Battlefield 2 have been completed. All of the statistics you have achieved during the outage should be updated the next time you log into BFHQ.
For newly acquired stats, you may experience a temporary delay in BFHQ.
Should you continue to experience incorrect stats after 12 noon PDT on 7/9/2007 please contact EA Customer Support with the following information:
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Server IP:
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Soldier Name or PID:
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Date/Time you last played on the server(s) above:
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Once EA receives this information, we can further research this issue in partnership with the developers and partners involved.
Thank you for your patience in this matter.
Just goes to show how difficult it is to really tell if someone is using an aimbot then doesnt it, since frag one definitely looked legit to me. I wouldnt have called him out over that one, but the other two looked too precise in their tracking.
Seriously, wait a while. What you think is cool now will haunt you later in life.
Some of my mates had tattoos when they were your age and they spent fortunes later trying to cover them up.
Dont take me wrong here, I am not against tattoos, I have one myself so why would I be. All I am saying is that it can be a mistake so early in life to have one that you think is cool. What is the legal age for a tattoo in you country anyway? It may be worth waiting till you are old enough and get a decent one then.
As someone already pointed out, self tattoos are one step up from prison tattoos which look crap. Especially to the opposite sex. It could affect your sex life
Dont forget a tattoo is for life not just for christmas (or is that meant to be about dogs).
Some of my mates had tattoos when they were your age and they spent fortunes later trying to cover them up.
Dont take me wrong here, I am not against tattoos, I have one myself so why would I be. All I am saying is that it can be a mistake so early in life to have one that you think is cool. What is the legal age for a tattoo in you country anyway? It may be worth waiting till you are old enough and get a decent one then.
As someone already pointed out, self tattoos are one step up from prison tattoos which look crap. Especially to the opposite sex. It could affect your sex life
Dont forget a tattoo is for life not just for christmas (or is that meant to be about dogs).
Ahh ok thenPureFodder wrote:
The latter.Chaos_nation wrote:
Are you saying that everything in this thread is stupid? There are no valid arguments being made by either side or is it just a ridiculous subject to debate?PureFodder wrote:
No keep this thread going. I want at least 10 pages of this stupidness.
Are you saying that everything in this thread is stupid? There are no valid arguments being made by either side or is it just a ridiculous subject to debate?PureFodder wrote:
No keep this thread going. I want at least 10 pages of this stupidness.
Couple of things to finish off then.
Extremist terrorists do not arrive at immigration screaming death to the infidel. They do that once they have been vetted and have passed through customs. They are not stupid enough to tip us off on arrival.
Being tied into the Human Rights Act diminishes Britain's powers to act on scumbags such as Abu Hamza. They deserve to reap exactly what they preach but liberals wont let that happen because of the HRA.
Don't make terrorists special by giving them titles. Doctor Terrorists DO NOT EXIST. These guys were Terrorists who happened to be doctors. Stop trying to make something out of that fact.
Now close the thread then
Extremist terrorists do not arrive at immigration screaming death to the infidel. They do that once they have been vetted and have passed through customs. They are not stupid enough to tip us off on arrival.
Being tied into the Human Rights Act diminishes Britain's powers to act on scumbags such as Abu Hamza. They deserve to reap exactly what they preach but liberals wont let that happen because of the HRA.
Don't make terrorists special by giving them titles. Doctor Terrorists DO NOT EXIST. These guys were Terrorists who happened to be doctors. Stop trying to make something out of that fact.
Now close the thread then
1) A lot of professions in the UK earn a lot less than they do in the states so this does not have anything to do with perpetuating Terrorist Doctors.1. British doctors make less than American doctors because of Socialized medicine.
2. Less British want to be doctors so they become another profession that isn't as regulated.
3. The British now have a shortage of doctors.
4. They fill this need for doctors with foreign doctors.
5. To do this they change their immigration policy to allow foreign doctors, from even extremist Muslim supporting/harboring nations, to enter
6. Extremist Muslims exploit the British immigration policy to enter Britain
2) Has nothing to do with perpetuating Terrorists
3) As 2
4) Still has nothing to do with perpetuating terrorists
5) Lack of Doctors in the UK was not the reason for changing immigration policy. Blame Europe for that and the asylum system. Abu Hamza the most famous of the preachers of hate was here as a political asylum seeker, not an immigrant.
6) Everyone exploits the immigration system. Still it does not perpetuate Doctor Terrorists.
In answer to you question, you are wrong on all 6 points. None of these points perpetuate Doctor Terrorists.
What does perpetuate terrorism is ignorance, foreign policy and external influences from other Nations through their foreign policy. Again nothing to do with our health service.
Isolationism from these countries that you deem to harbour encourage terrorism is like trying to stop a an infection from a splinter in your small finger by cutting off your arm. Its Overkill. Just find the splinter and get it out.
This thread is all coming around to one conclusion, its nothing to do with the UK's Health Service at all or our immigration policies.
To cap it all off, no matter how you try to say it or word around it...you just hate muslims.
There can be no other explanation. You will happily allow French and German visitors to the USA but not Pakistanis or anyone from the Middle East under the guise of stemming terrorism. Which means that Christians are OK and of no threat to the USA but muslims are.
RECAP:
So you are happy to deal with Countries that are governed by Christians but not ones by Muslims. That is the main point that keeps getting screamed out in this thread.
Have you not heard of German Extremist Muslims? French Extremist Muslims maybe? You have no chance of slowing down the movement of anyone whilst you have an open border to ANY other country. You will not know the faith of a traveller just by the colour of their skin. Your theory just does not stand up to scrutiny.
Hey since we are talking about theories here I have one. Britain isolates itself from the USA. We leave you to it in Afghanistan and Iraq, and do not help out the UN with peacekeeping duties. There would be no need for Extremists to come to the UK to blow us up then. It doesn't matter to us that they may go to the USA and blow things up there as long as they don't do it here. We might even have collections for them to keep the bombs out of Britain. Hang about a bit, weren't you guys doing that back in the 80's and 90's for the Irish terrorists? (incidentally, I have no desire to stop any relations with the USA)
On the point about having collections, didn't the USA arm the Taliban? They were called the Mujahadeen (someone correct my spelling please) back then but they were freedom fighters against USA's biggest enemy at the time so it was OK. Now they are freedom fighters in the name of Allah, only difference is that the USA is now the target along with the rest of the Western World. Foreign Policies change and we suffer the consequences for the acts of our fathers. That is life. Live with it.
My mother would be proud of me for coming up with the isolate the UK from the USA theory. She wont be blown up (which the chances of happening are so small they are not worth contemplating or worrying about by the way). Doesn't matter what happens anywhere else just as long as she is safe. Of course she will have to go to Baghdad for her holidays now instead of Florida but I am sure that the Magic Kingdom in Baghdad is as good as the one in Florida.
And for the record. I hate extremism in any form. Be it a muslim cleric preaching hate from Finsbury Park or the Mosques in Birmingham to the racists who want to rid Britain of anyone who isn't "white". They have their viewpoint which I strongly protest against. Closing down borders to them just drives them underground making them harder to trace and eventually stop.
We can go on for ever putting forward theories etc as to who is right here and why and between the two of us we would get no where.
Why not stop the counter arguments now and let the rest of the forum users have a simple yes or no vote on the initial question.
I vote NO as you will have noticed. Socialised Medicine does not perpetuate Doctor Terrorists.
To cap it all off, no matter how you try to say it or word around it...you just hate muslims.
There can be no other explanation. You will happily allow French and German visitors to the USA but not Pakistanis or anyone from the Middle East under the guise of stemming terrorism. Which means that Christians are OK and of no threat to the USA but muslims are.
RECAP:
So you are happy to deal with Countries that are governed by Christians but not ones by Muslims. That is the main point that keeps getting screamed out in this thread.
Have you not heard of German Extremist Muslims? French Extremist Muslims maybe? You have no chance of slowing down the movement of anyone whilst you have an open border to ANY other country. You will not know the faith of a traveller just by the colour of their skin. Your theory just does not stand up to scrutiny.
Hey since we are talking about theories here I have one. Britain isolates itself from the USA. We leave you to it in Afghanistan and Iraq, and do not help out the UN with peacekeeping duties. There would be no need for Extremists to come to the UK to blow us up then. It doesn't matter to us that they may go to the USA and blow things up there as long as they don't do it here. We might even have collections for them to keep the bombs out of Britain. Hang about a bit, weren't you guys doing that back in the 80's and 90's for the Irish terrorists? (incidentally, I have no desire to stop any relations with the USA)
On the point about having collections, didn't the USA arm the Taliban? They were called the Mujahadeen (someone correct my spelling please) back then but they were freedom fighters against USA's biggest enemy at the time so it was OK. Now they are freedom fighters in the name of Allah, only difference is that the USA is now the target along with the rest of the Western World. Foreign Policies change and we suffer the consequences for the acts of our fathers. That is life. Live with it.
My mother would be proud of me for coming up with the isolate the UK from the USA theory. She wont be blown up (which the chances of happening are so small they are not worth contemplating or worrying about by the way). Doesn't matter what happens anywhere else just as long as she is safe. Of course she will have to go to Baghdad for her holidays now instead of Florida but I am sure that the Magic Kingdom in Baghdad is as good as the one in Florida.
And for the record. I hate extremism in any form. Be it a muslim cleric preaching hate from Finsbury Park or the Mosques in Birmingham to the racists who want to rid Britain of anyone who isn't "white". They have their viewpoint which I strongly protest against. Closing down borders to them just drives them underground making them harder to trace and eventually stop.
We can go on for ever putting forward theories etc as to who is right here and why and between the two of us we would get no where.
Why not stop the counter arguments now and let the rest of the forum users have a simple yes or no vote on the initial question.
I vote NO as you will have noticed. Socialised Medicine does not perpetuate Doctor Terrorists.
Not if you have a support gunner with you...unlimited ammo ftwSentinel wrote:
You may win the battle with that strategy, but the Russians will win the war! The Russians will just pour more and more tanks into the city until victory is assured. You have to run out of ammo sooner or later.
Doctors in the UK can earn a good salary. In fact they earn a very good salary. I would like to know where you get your facts from to state anything otherwise. Or is it speculation to back up your "theory"?But since the policies of a socialized medicine made it so doctors in the UK could not make the money that United States doctors had, it created a shortage of doctors in the UK, which then made them liberalize their immigration policy for foreign doctors. This in turn gave these terrorists an 'in' and they exploited it.
You are quoting this from where? I know a lot of muslims in the UK who are opposed to Sharia Law, would fight side by side in the streets to ensure that it would NEVER be allowed to take precedence. And by the way, the muslims I know have no desire to kill me or my family and neither do their families in packistan. And yes, if I knew a lion was a danger to the kids on the streets, I would take it into the house and I would damn well make sure it DIDNT eat the kids.Their purpose? I believe they made it clear that their purpose is to kill us and impose Sharia law. So allowing potential terrorists into your mists is better? Would you invite a lion into your house? I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on this point.
Why do you say that I do not want to stop the terrorists? There has been a constant threat in the UK for a very long time now and I have known people who have been directly affected by the bombing in Birmingham by the IRA, and I know someone who was directly affected by the bus that was blown up in London. I have lived with this all my life. I will never get used to talking to people I know when they talk about those who they lost. That said, those people do not demand that everyone who might want to plant a bomb be deported, they are better than that. They understand as do most of the population of the world (yourself excluded here for very obvious reasons) that cutting off all contact with anyone who may and I stress may be planning to plant a bomb is NOT the answer. Giving the security forces more power is the answer. Collaboration between security forces from different nations is the answer. How do you think the last attempt to blow up passenger jets was thwarted? Guesswork??I don't understand why you don't want to do what can be done to stop terrorism? Because you might hurt their feelings? Don't you care about all the innocent civilians who may die because of your inaction? Yes I want to live my life to its fullest. Yes I want to bounce back as quickly as possible to normalcy to not allow terrorists the pleasure of affecting our moral or economy. But to just ignore the attacks without trying to stop them? What if it was your sister, your mother that was in the Glasgow Airport and the bomb actually went off? What then? Is is ok now?
I really cannot give a toss about hurting feelings, but I will not condemn the thousands of muslims in the UK for the cowardly act of a few random assholes who believed that they were off to meet the virgins. I am a UK citizen through a fluke of birth. You are only living in the USA because of the same reason. It is not your god given right to deny anyone else the opportunities that you have through a fluke.
You would never know if an extremist was "An extremist", they are hardly likely to admit it. So Pakistan stays quiet for a couple of years. No Terrorist events are lined to Pakistan. They "appear" to be moderate now. You start to let people from Pakistan back into the USA...your back to square one except now you have no idea of who to look for when they walk through your custom control.Yes, the clear message is that we don't want any of you guys to have a chance to come into our country. So if you're a moderate and not a terrorists you need to change the hearts of minds of those who are extremists in your county, to civilize it before we will allow you into our country.
Remember, you don't have the right to enter our county...its not yours. If we wish to allow you into our country we will, but unfortunately there are too many extremists in your country for us to open the door.
Anyway, America is already full of terrorists. Its already too late for you. Have you not heard of the Cult that your government so graciously wiped out at Wako (and on TV too, nice PR stunt). That Cult was one of many that are well armed and waiting for a word from (and I am using this phrase very liberally) God before they start their own Armageddon. The Klu Klux Klan were terrorists, and you cannot honestly tell me that that organisation is no longer going, I refuse to believe that for one second. White supremacists are rife in the USA. That is just three examples off the top of my head. All groups pose a very serious risk to some portion of your population.
Major over exaggeration there. A large proportion of Pakistanis do not even care about the UK or USA let alone want to kill us. Anyway, there is a risk in the Dominican Republic to tourists. That is why tourists are advised not to venture off on their own. Its bloody dangerous. Admittedly, it wouldn't be everyone who would pose the risk, their are some very nice friendly people on that island, but that said, there are also some who wouldn't think twice about killing a tourist for the money in their bumbag. So that does make you a hpocrite.I would only be a hypocrite if the people of the Dominican Republic had a large portion of their population extremists hell-bent on killing innocent civilians. Luckily thats not the case so I don't consider myself a hypocrite. If I were Muslim and from say Iran or Pakistan, then I would agree with you.
Again with the generalisations. All Germans were not Nazis and there were many who fled Germany to escape the Nazi regime. Many fled Germany to be with their families in the USA, and there was no way of telling what political persuasion those people had when they arrived on the liners that took them there. The USA did not send them back to Germany, which would have meant a strong possibility of death for those poor sods who did escape. Those people had a right to life, nothing more. Your arguments would deny them that life. You are not allowed to discriminate against someone because of their race or religion. THAT would make you the NAZIWhy can't I discriminate based on what country someone comes from? If this was WWII and Nazi soldiers wanted entry into the United in 1943 should we had let them in because they said they wanted to have a better life? I believe you think that they have a right to enter our country, that they have a right to a better life that our country affords its citizens? And that by you being benevolently that you have a more moral standing because you want what you have for them?
6,299,940,232 do not want to live in the United States. Their may be a couple of million out of that number who do, but then there are probably a couple of million people in the US who want to live somewhere else in the world. It kind of evens things out.The population of the world is 6,602,224,175 (July 2007 est.). The population of the United States is 302,283,943 (July 2007 est.). Should we then let in 6,299,940,232 people into the United States so you will feel good about it?
My mother will does very well with our current policy but thank you for your concern.The reason why I'm advocating not allowing people from known terrorist harboring/supporting nations is because I don't want your mother to die.
Nope, its definately what I said, and not that. It wouldn't really be an old saying if it had suicide vests in it since that is a relatively new phrase.Perhaps its, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies with suicide vests as far as possible from you."?
Erm, have you finished learning English yet? Are you still at school by the way? That is just a small observation. Nevermind. Still your point here, Terrorists have a very hard time already in my town. We tend to know who is who around here.How about if you keep it off your soil then they can't threat your local population. Or at least have a much harder time to do so in your hometown.
Final word. I am not going to debate this anymore.
Ignorance leads to hate, that has been proven over the centuries. Quoting a puppet from a film to suit your purpose doesn't make a blind bit of difference. Being ignorant of others (closed border theory) makes you hate what you cannot understand. You are talking from the viewpoint of an American, a young country about people who are following a perfectly good religion that has been around for over a thousand years. I believe that it is your ignorance of what you cannot understand that leads to hate and that leads to the death of innocent people.
For a country that is populated from the extremities of the globe (Yes the USA is NOT full of Americans, The Population of the USA can be traced back to Dutch, Germans, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Pakistanis, Indians, Saudi Arabians, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Polish, Italians, French...Jesus the list is endless.) you have no right at all to condemn anyone born in a different country. You are Hispanic yourself, Not a true American.
The History of the United States that is known and recognised today is very, very short. The USA is still growing as a Nation. Fine. If you want to close all the borders so potential terrorists cannot gain access do it. All you will have to worry about then is getting shot by the gangbangers, drug addicts or worse still...your school kids.
You have had one real attack on US soil and 3000 people lost their lives. Its sad, it created a big problem...you were not safe on your homeland. Well guess what! you never have been. As long as you try to influence global policies of other nations as you are currently doing in Afghanistan and Iraq (admittedly with our assistance) you will have dissidents who want to strike back. So what is your response to that? Ignore the rest of the world, close all borders, shoot to kill on border crossings, sink any ship that approaches your ports and shoot down any aircraft that flys anywhere near the USA? Commit the atrocities that the terrorist commit but in the name of self defence? Yeah right, I can really see that happening.
Forget the fact that with closed borders you would quickly lose a very large portion of your tourist industry, you would have no imported goods, you would have no exports, jobs would be lost in their droves. It would be like the great depression all over again. Thousands starving to death because of no work to buy food. Great plan, really well though out. Your a frikkin genius. You have just sacrificed thousands of innocent people to satisfy your paranoia.
Lets just back up a second. Lets not sink ships, shoot down tourist planes and shoot anyone crossing the borders. Lets keep our export and import companies going and sustain the tourist trade. How on earth are you going to stop a determined terrorist from entering the USA if they have a toursit visa or work visa? You can't.!! There is no need to bring any weapons into the USA, christ you just go to a corner store, pay over the odds and you can come out with a full arsenal. Hmmm, No wonder your kids arent safe in school!
You are screwed whichever way you look at it. So the choice is clear. Do you take a calculated risk, monitor the borders for potential and known terrorists who may pull off a stroke and kill some of your population or do you close all your borders and kill your population yourself because of the hardships that would follow.
The USA cannot support itself. Don't be naive enough to think it can.
You can fire thermite as an engineer in SF .. you just need the right hack. ===>switch_teargas_for_thermite hack.
How many points does the commander get for the arty strikes.CDK3Y wrote:
yes it is...worst bombing of a city since WWII...it was nearly a month under arty strikes
If the joke seems to be of bad taste I apologise, but this thread was started as a humour one and its waaaaaayyyyy to serious now.
Just for the record, I have received some of the points I gained from the stats outage, not all but about 6-700 maybe. I have noticed that in particular the commander points I gained are being updated now (I had a couple of really good rounds for me as commander)
I have no medals or badges though from that period. I have no record of best rounds either. SF points do not seem to be updating at all though.
I have no medals or badges though from that period. I have no record of best rounds either. SF points do not seem to be updating at all though.
I cant see where your going with this. Its irrespective that the organisers were doctors....they could have been dockers, it makes no difference. It has nothing at all to do with the UK's Health Service and how it is run.
With the bombings from the Irish at the end of the 20th Century, it was communities that thwarted most of the planned atrocities, only a fraction of what was planned actually came to anything. It was also the local communities that assisted in capturing the IRA Terrorists when they did manage to get an attack in. Out security services did a fantastic job back then, and they are doing a fantastic job now despite limitations to their powers.
Isolating your enemy does not protect you, it just makes you ignorant to their purpose and that is more of a threat. Paranoia is very dangerous.
Rather than trying to pick holes in the UK's health service, why don't you look closer to home to some of the route causes of why these people feel the need to drive badly made fire-bombs into airports.
Maybe if you stopped wetting your pants at the thought of a bomber carrying out an act of terror in the US, you would be more adept at doing what is more important in the war against terror and getting on with you life anyway. If a terrorist cannot change your way of life, he cannot win.
By closing borders and stopping immigration you are giving the terrorist factions a clear message that you can be scared into submission. If America had followed a closed border policy years ago, You would not be where you are today. Yes your parents were legal immigrants into the US and Yes they integrated (I would assume) into US society and now you have the hypocrisy to deny that to others. That is what really grinds me about your views on this, the fact that you are already in the US as a first generation citizen and you want to deny through your beliefs the chance for anyone else to do what your own parents did. There are many reasons why someone will leave the country that they were born in for a foreign land, poverty, a better chance for life/their familys etc, persecution the list can go on. You cannot discriminate someone's desires because they were born to a particular religion or in a particular country because in my eyes you would be just as much a danger to society than the UK's Terror Doctors.
There is an old saying that is so very true, "keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer".
If you can identify a threat and keep it under scrutiny you can remove it. If you cant watch it, you cant stop it.
With the bombings from the Irish at the end of the 20th Century, it was communities that thwarted most of the planned atrocities, only a fraction of what was planned actually came to anything. It was also the local communities that assisted in capturing the IRA Terrorists when they did manage to get an attack in. Out security services did a fantastic job back then, and they are doing a fantastic job now despite limitations to their powers.
Isolating your enemy does not protect you, it just makes you ignorant to their purpose and that is more of a threat. Paranoia is very dangerous.
Rather than trying to pick holes in the UK's health service, why don't you look closer to home to some of the route causes of why these people feel the need to drive badly made fire-bombs into airports.
Maybe if you stopped wetting your pants at the thought of a bomber carrying out an act of terror in the US, you would be more adept at doing what is more important in the war against terror and getting on with you life anyway. If a terrorist cannot change your way of life, he cannot win.
By closing borders and stopping immigration you are giving the terrorist factions a clear message that you can be scared into submission. If America had followed a closed border policy years ago, You would not be where you are today. Yes your parents were legal immigrants into the US and Yes they integrated (I would assume) into US society and now you have the hypocrisy to deny that to others. That is what really grinds me about your views on this, the fact that you are already in the US as a first generation citizen and you want to deny through your beliefs the chance for anyone else to do what your own parents did. There are many reasons why someone will leave the country that they were born in for a foreign land, poverty, a better chance for life/their familys etc, persecution the list can go on. You cannot discriminate someone's desires because they were born to a particular religion or in a particular country because in my eyes you would be just as much a danger to society than the UK's Terror Doctors.
There is an old saying that is so very true, "keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer".
If you can identify a threat and keep it under scrutiny you can remove it. If you cant watch it, you cant stop it.
Your also showing great disrespect to the other nations who were in Korea as part of the UN.
Korea wasnt just an American war (although you would think so since no other nation seems to get a mention in any film made about the conflict).
Anyhow, back to the thread topic....I got a warm feeling all over when I read it which is obviously the intention. God bless teachers.
Korea wasnt just an American war (although you would think so since no other nation seems to get a mention in any film made about the conflict).
Anyhow, back to the thread topic....I got a warm feeling all over when I read it which is obviously the intention. God bless teachers.
KDR is too easy to inflate. Pilots get 70 kills in a round to say 3 deaths, commanders get similar ratios of 20 + kills to no deaths, so how can you compare KDR when they can be inflated so easily?
There is only one way to prove that KDR is an effective indicator for the skill of the player and that is to strip out anything in the game that can artificially inflate KDR, zero the stats and all you will left with is you knife and pistol.
There is only one way to prove that KDR is an effective indicator for the skill of the player and that is to strip out anything in the game that can artificially inflate KDR, zero the stats and all you will left with is you knife and pistol.
Ahhh the classic "ambush the Russians" technique taught at military acadamys all over the world.
Definately need a four man squad to do that effectively. AT guy, Machine Gunner for resupply and two medics, one to revive the other if one gets hit and to keep a good stock pile of medi-packs coming. If all else fails, call in arty support from the commander and hope that he awake.
Nice diagrams by the way. Made me smile.
And to all those who have criticised this thread.....lighten up.....its humour.
Definately need a four man squad to do that effectively. AT guy, Machine Gunner for resupply and two medics, one to revive the other if one gets hit and to keep a good stock pile of medi-packs coming. If all else fails, call in arty support from the commander and hope that he awake.
Nice diagrams by the way. Made me smile.
And to all those who have criticised this thread.....lighten up.....its humour.
Frag 1 is legit,
Frags 2 and 3 are aimbot.
Frags 2 and 3 are aimbot.
For SF.
A zip line into the back of a RIB and then a waterskiing medal for anyone who can hang on for 1 minute.
A zip line into the back of a RIB and then a waterskiing medal for anyone who can hang on for 1 minute.