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2007-08-04 02:45:52
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA
"European socialists have devised their brilliant plan to combat "Islamophobia" ... "LISTEN" to the 20 million European Muslims, try to UNDERSTAND their problems, and provide solutions to ALLEVIATE their grievances."

"In other words ... find out just what they want, and then give it to them."  http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html under reading assignments.



taken from
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay … ;bolum=102




Pretty much what I have been saying all along. Appeasement is the Liberal/Socialist answer. How about that.
2007-08-04 02:51:45
mikkel
Member
+383|6600
God forbid that anyone should try to accomodate the inevitable globalisation of religions.
2007-08-04 03:02:55
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6620|London, England
Even I think it's somewhat stupid. Most of the Muslims don't want this special treatment either, they just want to get on with life. Infact, it's just a few Muslims and a few PC people that make a big fuss about it. Stupid, really.
2007-08-04 03:03:38
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA

mikkel wrote:

God forbid that anyone should try to accomodate the inevitable globalisation of religions.
Hmmmmm. even against their will?? You pretty much disgust me.
2007-08-04 03:16:33
PureFodder
Member
+225|6284

lowing wrote:

"European socialists have devised their brilliant plan to combat "Islamophobia" ... "LISTEN" to the 20 million European Muslims, try to UNDERSTAND their problems, and provide solutions to ALLEVIATE their grievances."

"In other words ... find out just what they want, and then give it to them."  http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html under reading assignments.



taken from
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay … ;bolum=102




Pretty much what I have been saying all along. Appeasement is the Liberal/Socialist answer. How about that.
We we've tried it the conservative way with the bombing and the troops and it resulted in a spectacular increase in Islamic extremism. Rather than continue to headbutt the wall, some people have decided to try the door instead.

What possible harm could there be in asking them what they want and see if theres a REASONABLE solution to the problem. Clearly there's absolutely no chance of this resulting in introducing stict Islamic law across all of Europe. If they can find a reasonable SOLUTION rather than following the conservative approach of MAKING IT WORSE what is exactly wrong with that? It's not like the two approaches are mutually exclusive either.
2007-08-04 03:26:42
BVC
Member
+325|6694
Doesn't directly affect me.  Nevertheless, any group that wants to impose sharia law on a western nation can die in a fire without so much as getting to first base, let alone popping 72 cherries...

Last edited by Pubic (2007-08-04 03:26:51)

2007-08-04 03:26:49
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

"European socialists have devised their brilliant plan to combat "Islamophobia" ... "LISTEN" to the 20 million European Muslims, try to UNDERSTAND their problems, and provide solutions to ALLEVIATE their grievances."

"In other words ... find out just what they want, and then give it to them."  http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html under reading assignments.



taken from
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay … ;bolum=102




Pretty much what I have been saying all along. Appeasement is the Liberal/Socialist answer. How about that.
We we've tried it the conservative way with the bombing and the troops and it resulted in a spectacular increase in Islamic extremism. Rather than continue to headbutt the wall, some people have decided to try the door instead.

What possible harm could there be in asking them what they want and see if theres a REASONABLE solution to the problem. Clearly there's absolutely no chance of this resulting in introducing stict Islamic law across all of Europe. If they can find a reasonable SOLUTION rather than following the conservative approach of MAKING IT WORSE what is exactly wrong with that? It's not like the two approaches are mutually exclusive either.
What is wrong with it?? We are not happy so we will blow up women and children?? Make us happy or we will blow up women and children??


Tell me something, give me one example where "reason" and sensibility, or moderation comes into play in this religion or their actions???

Last edited by lowing (2007-08-04 03:27:28)

2007-08-04 03:54:20
will180
Power Lurker
+27|6666|Jacksonville, Florida
I <3 Neal Boortz.
2007-08-04 04:00:01
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6648

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

"European socialists have devised their brilliant plan to combat "Islamophobia" ... "LISTEN" to the 20 million European Muslims, try to UNDERSTAND their problems, and provide solutions to ALLEVIATE their grievances."

"In other words ... find out just what they want, and then give it to them."  http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html under reading assignments.



taken from
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay … ;bolum=102




Pretty much what I have been saying all along. Appeasement is the Liberal/Socialist answer. How about that.
We we've tried it the conservative way with the bombing and the troops and it resulted in a spectacular increase in Islamic extremism. Rather than continue to headbutt the wall, some people have decided to try the door instead.

What possible harm could there be in asking them what they want and see if theres a REASONABLE solution to the problem. Clearly there's absolutely no chance of this resulting in introducing stict Islamic law across all of Europe. If they can find a reasonable SOLUTION rather than following the conservative approach of MAKING IT WORSE what is exactly wrong with that? It's not like the two approaches are mutually exclusive either.
What is wrong with it?? We are not happy so we will blow up women and children?? Make us happy or we will blow up women and children??


Tell me something, give me one example where "reason" and sensibility, or moderation comes into play in this religion or their actions???
Lowing: black and white, etc etc
2007-08-04 04:25:30
PureFodder
Member
+225|6284

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

"European socialists have devised their brilliant plan to combat "Islamophobia" ... "LISTEN" to the 20 million European Muslims, try to UNDERSTAND their problems, and provide solutions to ALLEVIATE their grievances."

"In other words ... find out just what they want, and then give it to them."  http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html under reading assignments.



taken from
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay … ;bolum=102




Pretty much what I have been saying all along. Appeasement is the Liberal/Socialist answer. How about that.
We we've tried it the conservative way with the bombing and the troops and it resulted in a spectacular increase in Islamic extremism. Rather than continue to headbutt the wall, some people have decided to try the door instead.

What possible harm could there be in asking them what they want and see if theres a REASONABLE solution to the problem. Clearly there's absolutely no chance of this resulting in introducing stict Islamic law across all of Europe. If they can find a reasonable SOLUTION rather than following the conservative approach of MAKING IT WORSE what is exactly wrong with that? It's not like the two approaches are mutually exclusive either.
What is wrong with it?? We are not happy so we will blow up women and children?? Make us happy or we will blow up women and children??


Tell me something, give me one example where "reason" and sensibility, or moderation comes into play in this religion or their actions???
How's about we figure out what's going on and see if there's anything that can be done so these terrorist asshole's kids don't grow up to want to blow up women and children?
2007-08-04 04:30:19
mikkel
Member
+383|6600

lowing wrote:

mikkel wrote:

God forbid that anyone should try to accomodate the inevitable globalisation of religions.
Hmmmmm. even against their will?? You pretty much disgust me.
What on Earth are you talking about?
2007-08-04 04:37:44
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA

ghettoperson wrote:

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:


We we've tried it the conservative way with the bombing and the troops and it resulted in a spectacular increase in Islamic extremism. Rather than continue to headbutt the wall, some people have decided to try the door instead.

What possible harm could there be in asking them what they want and see if theres a REASONABLE solution to the problem. Clearly there's absolutely no chance of this resulting in introducing stict Islamic law across all of Europe. If they can find a reasonable SOLUTION rather than following the conservative approach of MAKING IT WORSE what is exactly wrong with that? It's not like the two approaches are mutually exclusive either.
What is wrong with it?? We are not happy so we will blow up women and children?? Make us happy or we will blow up women and children??


Tell me something, give me one example where "reason" and sensibility, or moderation comes into play in this religion or their actions???
Lowing: black and white, etc etc
ghetto, that hardly is an example is it??
2007-08-04 04:39:18
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:


We we've tried it the conservative way with the bombing and the troops and it resulted in a spectacular increase in Islamic extremism. Rather than continue to headbutt the wall, some people have decided to try the door instead.

What possible harm could there be in asking them what they want and see if theres a REASONABLE solution to the problem. Clearly there's absolutely no chance of this resulting in introducing stict Islamic law across all of Europe. If they can find a reasonable SOLUTION rather than following the conservative approach of MAKING IT WORSE what is exactly wrong with that? It's not like the two approaches are mutually exclusive either.
What is wrong with it?? We are not happy so we will blow up women and children?? Make us happy or we will blow up women and children??


Tell me something, give me one example where "reason" and sensibility, or moderation comes into play in this religion or their actions???
How's about we figure out what's going on and see if there's anything that can be done so these terrorist asshole's kids don't grow up to want to blow up women and children?
Hmmmmm, no examples of reasonability or moderation from the groups in question I see.
2007-08-04 04:50:34
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA

mikkel wrote:

lowing wrote:

mikkel wrote:

God forbid that anyone should try to accomodate the inevitable globalisation of religions.
Hmmmmm. even against their will?? You pretty much disgust me.
What on Earth are you talking about?
Pick up a newspaper every now and again, the spread of Islamic law throughout the world is the agenda we are fighting.
2007-08-04 04:54:41
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6580|SE London

This whole thread is retarded.

It simply highlights the complete ignorance of how these problems are properly solved (or even what the problems are in the first place) and shows up a disturbing level of xenophobia.
2007-08-04 05:02:18
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA

Bertster7 wrote:

This whole thread is retarded.

It simply highlights the complete ignorance of how these problems are properly solved (or even what the problems are in the first place) and shows up a disturbing level of xenophobia.
I wonder which is harder for you, kissing Islamic ass in appeasement, or your kissing your own ass goodbye, as you cave.


If you can not look around you and see the increased emergence in Islamic fascism, then you are the ignorant one

Last edited by lowing (2007-08-04 05:03:59)

2007-08-04 05:08:26
PureFodder
Member
+225|6284

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:


What is wrong with it?? We are not happy so we will blow up women and children?? Make us happy or we will blow up women and children??


Tell me something, give me one example where "reason" and sensibility, or moderation comes into play in this religion or their actions???
How's about we figure out what's going on and see if there's anything that can be done so these terrorist asshole's kids don't grow up to want to blow up women and children?
Hmmmmm, no examples of reasonability or moderation from the groups in question I see.
You're actually suggesting that it would be impossible to find any reasonability or moderation within the 20 million Muslims living in Europe?
How's about out of all the Muslims I've ever met in Europe absolutely zero of them have ever done anything extremist. They are all moderate normal average people. Pretty well all Muslims in Europe and throughout the world couldn't give the slightest shit what religion you or anyone else is as they have much better and important things to be getting on with. Unfortunately this vast majority don't make for very interesting 'news' stories on FOX.
2007-08-04 05:13:49
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6756|Argentina
Oh, no these Euros are thinking, they don't just try to bomb the Middle East?  They want to talk with Muslims to solve their mutual problems?  What?  The Middle East has proven that the only solution is violence?  That's working out great, isn't it?  Why should they try a different approach in Europe?

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-08-04 05:14:42)

2007-08-04 05:14:55
PureFodder
Member
+225|6284

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

This whole thread is retarded.

It simply highlights the complete ignorance of how these problems are properly solved (or even what the problems are in the first place) and shows up a disturbing level of xenophobia.
I wonder which is harder for you, kissing Islamic ass in appeasement, or your kissing your own ass goodbye, as you cave.


If you can not look around you and see the increased emergence in Islamic fascism, then you are the ignorant one
OMG the COMMIENAZICUBALIBYAISLAMO_INSERTNEXTRANDOMGROUPFORIDIOTSTOFEAR_ARE COMING.

Seriously this is truely astonishing prejudice.
2007-08-04 05:15:32
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:


How's about we figure out what's going on and see if there's anything that can be done so these terrorist asshole's kids don't grow up to want to blow up women and children?
Hmmmmm, no examples of reasonability or moderation from the groups in question I see.
You're actually suggesting that it would be impossible to find any reasonability or moderation within the 20 million Muslims living in Europe?
How's about out of all the Muslims I've ever met in Europe absolutely zero of them have ever done anything extremist. They are all moderate normal average people. Pretty well all Muslims in Europe and throughout the world couldn't give the slightest shit what religion you or anyone else is as they have much better and important things to be getting on with. Unfortunately this vast majority don't make for very interesting 'news' stories on FOX.
I said reasonibilty, sensibiblity, and moderation, from the groups in question, the extremist groups. the ones that ARE terrorists, the ones you are planning on appeasing to keep them from blowing you up.
Show me examples of reason, sense or moderation from these groups.
2007-08-04 05:17:58
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6580|SE London

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

This whole thread is retarded.

It simply highlights the complete ignorance of how these problems are properly solved (or even what the problems are in the first place) and shows up a disturbing level of xenophobia.
I wonder which is harder for you, kissing Islamic ass in appeasement, or your kissing your own ass goodbye, as you cave.


If you can not look around you and see the increased emergence in Islamic fascism, then you are the ignorant one
I think you'll find that the facist viewpoint is the one you're taking.

Groups that have there own practices and segregate themselves from the rest of society in some way are often viewed negatively, especially when those negative stereotypes are compounded further through acts of terrorism being conducted in their name. There is of course a perfect comparison that can be drawn between these Muslims and another group of people that suffered previously in Europe for precisely the same reasons.
2007-08-04 05:20:02
PureFodder
Member
+225|6284

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:


Hmmmmm, no examples of reasonability or moderation from the groups in question I see.
You're actually suggesting that it would be impossible to find any reasonability or moderation within the 20 million Muslims living in Europe?
How's about out of all the Muslims I've ever met in Europe absolutely zero of them have ever done anything extremist. They are all moderate normal average people. Pretty well all Muslims in Europe and throughout the world couldn't give the slightest shit what religion you or anyone else is as they have much better and important things to be getting on with. Unfortunately this vast majority don't make for very interesting 'news' stories on FOX.
I said reasonibilty, sensibiblity, and moderation, from the groups in question, the extremist groups. the ones that ARE terrorists, the ones you are planning on appeasing to keep them from blowing you up.
Show me examples of reason, sense or moderation from these groups.
Ok, you don't seem to be getting this. This is about stopping people from becoming extremists in the first place. People aren't suicide bombers from birth, hence it's a reasonable thing to look at what causes people to become terrorists so you can stop it from happening again.

This is solving the disease of Islamic extremism, not the symptoms of it.
2007-08-04 05:20:35
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6756|Argentina
Why do certain people use the word fascism associated to Islam? 

Islam = religion
Islamophobia = bigotry, stereotyping, prejudice and fascism

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-08-04 05:23:09)

2007-08-04 05:40:43
Chaos_nation
Anarchy in the UK
+6|6182|Wolverhampton

lowing wrote:

taken from
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay … ;bolum=102
Sorry but after reading that post, I fail to see where it says that anyone wants to appease terrorists.

It does have more to do with looking at accepting others who are different from ourselves though, finding out what makes them tick and seeing if we can live together. There's nothing wrong with that, its been happening globally for years with more success in some areas of the world than others admittedly, but all the same it is commonplace.

The biggest issue here is due to the acts of a small minority of people who say that they are acting in the name of a larger group, bigots target the larger group for retaliation. That's dumb which ever way you want to look at it.

Here is a scenario for you.

If I could get enough publicity by targeting Western bases around the world and claim to be a UK Christian extremist trying to rid the world of the Western beast, would the world declare war on all UK Christians?

I think not, it is merely the fact that Islam is used by the terrorists as their "Signature" that turns the rest of the world against those who follow Islam. It a shame really, most of the Muslims I know are really decent people who are accepting of others' ways of life and just want the opportunity to get on with their lives without the fear of being targeted for a beating because Osama drops a plane into a building in their name or closer to home organises the bombing of tube trains.
2007-08-04 05:56:41
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6650|USA

sergeriver wrote:

Why do certain people use the word fascism associated to Islam? 

Islam = religion
Islamophobia = bigotry, stereotyping, prejudice and fascism
Islamophobia implies a fear of Islam, this is not so. I do not fear them, I simply will not comply with their agenda for me.

I will challenge you Serge, give me any example of reasonibility, sensibility or moderation regarding these Islamic groups that you seek to appease.

 

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