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2011-07-23 05:52:16

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6890|Canberra, AUS

Uzique wrote:
Spark wrote:
AQ targets and the kind of targets a skinhead would pick are different, though. It's actually what twigged me to point towards not-AQ.
well the first bomb attack was on government buildings and the prime minister. some farout nutty islamic group tried to claim the initial bomb as their own, as a publicity stunt. what exactly is non-AQ about bombing government civil buildings and attempting a high-profile capital city attack? that's textbook AQ if ever there is such a thing.

I associate AQ more with bombing embassies, hotels, shopping centres, transport. That kind of thing with heavy civilian casualties. This looks more like an assassination attempt.

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2011-07-23 05:54:27

Beduin: Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid; +510|5965|شمال

presidentsheep wrote:
Camm wrote:
"We have no more information than... what has been found on [his] own websites, which is that it goes towards the right and that it is, so to speak, Christian fundamentalist."
Religion of peace.

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2011-07-23 05:57:13

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6686

Spark wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Spark wrote:
AQ targets and the kind of targets a skinhead would pick are different, though. It's actually what twigged me to point towards not-AQ.
well the first bomb attack was on government buildings and the prime minister. some farout nutty islamic group tried to claim the initial bomb as their own, as a publicity stunt. what exactly is non-AQ about bombing government civil buildings and attempting a high-profile capital city attack? that's textbook AQ if ever there is such a thing.
I associate AQ more with bombing embassies, hotels, shopping centres, transport. That kind of thing with heavy civilian casualties. This looks more like an assassination attempt.

isn't the purpose of all embassy bombings to make a point? to attack a symbol of civil authority? i don't think embassies have high civilian casualties...

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2011-07-23 06:03:06

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6214|...

I'm curious as to what his motivations were, they've had him in custody for over 12 hours now, bound to have figured a few things out by now.

Last edited by Shocking (2011-07-23 06:03:16)

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2011-07-23 06:12:57

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6686

apparently he was happy to be captured and very happy to explain himself. he's obviously going to try and say something because otherwise he would have killed himself.

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2011-07-23 06:16:50

menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6661|Amsterdam‫

he has inflicted the biggest spree killing in history. 84 dead. the second biggest massacre is a Korean man with 57 victims

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2011-07-23 06:49:55

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6867|USA

Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:
Why is it so hard to grasp? When the person STATES his reasoning as being for Islamic jihad then you pretty much gotta take his word for it, and I comment on that. When and if this guy claims he did it in the name of Christianity, I will take his word for that. Until then just because he is religious does not mean this is why he did this.
why is it so hard for YOU to grasp? the guy has already been identified with far-right, nationalist, christian fundamentalist ideologies. the religion, the politics and the racism are EXTREMELY intertwined in these group's ideas. the right-wing anti-immigration stuff is undeniably linked to an idea of a white, christian norway for white, christian people. that's conservatism in the same way that the KKK's anti-immigration racism is closely and inseparably linked to protestantism. there is NO separation. the anti-muslim stuff that he was posting is clearly motivated by religious differences: a christian norwegian hating muslim arabs. there is NO separation. where do you draw your personal line, exactly? it seems like one blanket generalisation for all terrorists that happen to be muslim, but then one very fine comb to pare out the details of a terrorist that happens to be christian. double-standards, as per usual.

It is hard for me to grasp because unlike the jihadists, he hasn't made any such claims yet. If they are so intertwined as you suggest, then there would be a hell of a lot more bombs going off in the name of Christianity right? Get back with me when that start happening, and they start claiming Jesus is the reason for it.

2011-07-23 07:07:56

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6686

One of the few who knew him, who have spoken so far, was an anonymous friend who told the Norwegian newspaper VG that Breivik had been a far right winger since at least his late twenties, when he had begun posting a series of controversial opinions on Facebook.

What has emerged so far paints a disturbing picture: a Christian fundamentalist with a deep hatred of multiculturalism in his country, of the left and of Muslims who had written disparagingly of prominent Norwegian politicians. A far of violent video games as well who some former neighbours have told Norwegian media had sometimes been seen in
"military-style" clothing.

In the pictures that have so far emerged of him Breivik appears well dressed, slender and clean-shaven, a picture of the young entrepreneur he wanted to be.

Breivik's businesses, however, were not much of a success, each one of them being dissolved after a short while after making a loss until he established his farm business in 2009 and moved out of Oslo.

But the man who listed Kafka and George Orwell's 1984 as his favourite books on Facebook, made little secret to the friends he had, or others on the Christian fundamentalist and far right websites that he frequented, of his racist views.

The darkest side of all was revealed not only in the killings but in how he undertook them, not least on the island teaming with several hundred teenagers, where wearing earplugs and a police uniform he calmly called over his victims to join him so he could begin his
executions.

A Freemason, reportedly a body builder and a hunter with two registered weapons – a Glock pistol and an automatic rifle - it has been Breivik's online profile that has, so far supplied the most public information.

Breivik was also a former "a youth member" of his country's conservative Progress Party – a party he criticised in one posting for embracing "multi-culturalism" and "political correctness" rather than taking an "idealistic stand". Despite that, those who knew him in the party then, described him as "calm and quiet", his extremism coming later.

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2011-07-23 07:15:26

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6867|USA

Uzique wrote:
One of the few who knew him, who have spoken so far, was an anonymous friend who told the Norwegian newspaper VG that Breivik had been a far right winger since at least his late twenties, when he had begun posting a series of controversial opinions on Facebook.

What has emerged so far paints a disturbing picture: a Christian fundamentalist with a deep hatred of multiculturalism in his country, of the left and of Muslims who had written disparagingly of prominent Norwegian politicians. A far of violent video games as well who some former neighbours have told Norwegian media had sometimes been seen in
"military-style" clothing.

In the pictures that have so far emerged of him Breivik appears well dressed, slender and clean-shaven, a picture of the young entrepreneur he wanted to be.

Breivik's businesses, however, were not much of a success, each one of them being dissolved after a short while after making a loss until he established his farm business in 2009 and moved out of Oslo.

But the man who listed Kafka and George Orwell's 1984 as his favourite books on Facebook, made little secret to the friends he had, or others on the Christian fundamentalist and far right websites that he frequented, of his racist views.

The darkest side of all was revealed not only in the killings but in how he undertook them, not least on the island teaming with several hundred teenagers, where wearing earplugs and a police uniform he calmly called over his victims to join him so he could begin his
executions.

A Freemason, reportedly a body builder and a hunter with two registered weapons – a Glock pistol and an automatic rifle - it has been Breivik's online profile that has, so far supplied the most public information.

Breivik was also a former "a youth member" of his country's conservative Progress Party – a party he criticised in one posting for embracing "multi-culturalism" and "political correctness" rather than taking an "idealistic stand". Despite that, those who knew him in the party then, described him as "calm and quiet", his extremism coming later.

Wow, and yet again we all understand what his religious views are, now all we need to know is his motive for this act. They 2 are not automatically connected. We have been over this.

2011-07-23 07:16:37

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6686

i do not see how you can separate one's beliefs on such issues from his 'motives'. would a christian fundamentalism not influence a hatred of muslim immigration? do you think the hatred is completely economical?

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2011-07-23 07:18:09

Beduin: Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid; +510|5965|شمال

its the teaching of Jesus (pbuh). just look at the crusaders and this guy!

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2011-07-23 07:22:02

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6867|USA

Uzique wrote:
i do not see how you can separate one's beliefs on such issues from his 'motives'. would a christian fundamentalism not influence a hatred of muslim immigration? do you think the hatred is completely economical?

Then his motives would those based on hatred, prejudice and racism, NOT in the name of Jesus, or because it would please God,

Already explained how. Many a devout Christian priest has gone to jail for child molestation. THat does not mean he did in the name of God or Jesus or CHristianity.

2011-07-23 08:26:24

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5689|Ventura, California

death toll at 91 now

Pretty sure this guy holds the record for most murders. Did you guys see the pictures of the little island he did the shooting on? Man, those poor youths had no chance!

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2011-07-23 08:39:03

Hallvard: Member; +263|6738|North Norway

So 84 confirmed dead on Utøya.... 7 confirmed dead after the bomb in Oslo...

Both those numbers can go up.

If he worked alone, he has singlehandedly caused the death of almost (maybe even over) 100 people

lowing wrote:
As I said, when Europeans start blowing up shit, in the name of White Christianity, let me know.

1095 and up trough the centuries.
But Christians seem to be over the whole killing everyone with different believes phase for the most part.
Althou there still is a lot of hate from Christian fundamentalists towards everyone who's not Christian, they seem to keep it to threats.

There are some pretty amazing stories coming out now from teh survivers of the shooting.... Like the guy who swam from the island to the shore carrying a wounded... Think the distance is around 900 meters.
And the guy who survived by playing dead when the guy killed everyone in the small group he was in. And just stayed quiet when the guy tried to confirm if they were dead and a bullet glanced his shoulder.
Or the girl who hid beneath a boulder while the guy stood on top of it and shot at people in the sea.

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2011-07-23 08:41:39

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6783|Mountains of NC

there are fucking nutjobs in every religion, most use religion has their escape goat for the shit they have done

in this day and age we need to be more accountable for our fellow man .... their are people that knew he was unstable just like some knew the VA tech killer was unstable

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2011-07-23 08:44:55

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5394|Sydney

SEREMAKER wrote:
in this day and age we need to be more accountable for our fellow man .... their are people that knew he was unstable just like some knew the VA tech killer was unstable

But if there is no previous criminal history what realistically can anyone do? Arrest people because you think they might be a nutjob?

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-07-23 08:49:40)

2011-07-23 08:58:23

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6783|Mountains of NC

Jaekus wrote:
SEREMAKER wrote:
in this day and age we need to be more accountable for our fellow man .... their are people that knew he was unstable just like some knew the VA tech killer was unstable
But if there is no previous criminal history what realistically can anyone do? Arrest people because you think they might be a nutjob?

doesn't have to be arrest but notifying the authorities and sending someone to speak with the individual and letting them determine if said person needs further investigation or help

its better to over cautious then letting your guard down

2011-07-23 09:00:51

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5474|foggy bottom

in that case someone should really notfiy the authorities about lowing

Tu Stultus Es

2011-07-23 09:05:48

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6686

yeah lowing has been exhibiting those sort of suspect-behaviours and declaring the sorta dangerous attitudes that will invariably give bf2s a 15 minute shine of fame in a few years time when a sullen-faced american detective announces on the news: "our man has been posting dumb shit on the internet for quite some time"...

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2011-07-23 09:07:15

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5394|Sydney

SEREMAKER wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
SEREMAKER wrote:
in this day and age we need to be more accountable for our fellow man .... their are people that knew he was unstable just like some knew the VA tech killer was unstable
But if there is no previous criminal history what realistically can anyone do? Arrest people because you think they might be a nutjob?
doesn't have to be arrest but notifying the authorities and sending someone to speak with the individual and letting them determine if said person needs further investigation or help

its better to over cautious then letting your guard down

It's a tricky one though. I mean, just as a hypothetical, I could say you're a bit unstable because you collect guns. And no one knows if what I'm saying is factual or not until some authority figure decides to approach you for a "chat".

I dunno. Whilst I see where you are coming from and in part agree, it kinda opens the door to encourage anyone who's paranoid about others to notify authorities at whim.

2011-07-23 09:10:26

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6686

as with everything, reasonability and foreseeability are key.

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2011-07-23 09:10:59

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5474|foggy bottom

Uzique wrote:
yeah lowing has been exhibiting those sort of suspect-behaviours and declaring the sorta dangerous attitudes that will invariably give bf2s a 15 minute shine of fame in a few years time when a sullen-faced american detective announces on the news: "our man has been posting dumb shit on the internet for quite some time"...

I was thinking the same thing. A lot more ad revenue coming this way

Tu Stultus Es

2011-07-23 09:21:01

menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6661|Amsterdam‫

-Sh1fty- wrote:
death toll at 91 now

Pretty sure this guy holds the record for most murders. Did you guys see the pictures of the little island he did the shooting on? Man, those poor youths had no chance!

he has it with almost double the murders

2011-07-23 09:24:38

SEREMAKER: BABYMAKIN EXPERT √; +2,187|6783|Mountains of NC

Jaekus wrote:
SEREMAKER wrote:
Jaekus wrote:

But if there is no previous criminal history what realistically can anyone do? Arrest people because you think they might be a nutjob?
doesn't have to be arrest but notifying the authorities and sending someone to speak with the individual and letting them determine if said person needs further investigation or help

its better to over cautious then letting your guard down
It's a tricky one though. I mean, just as a hypothetical, I could say you're a bit unstable because you collect guns. And no one knows if what I'm saying is factual or not until some authority figure decides to approach you for a "chat".

I dunno. Whilst I see where you are coming from and in part agree, it kinda opens the door to encourage anyone who's paranoid about others to notify authorities at whim.

without a doubt it could and would be abused but if at the end of the day 20 people were questioned and 1 was found to be unstable and possible risk, I believe it to be worth it

its not just a bunch of random questions that the officer or whomever would come knocking at my door - its like if you call DSS to investigate child abuse or the 911 system, its a shame on how the 911 system has been abused with people calling for stupid reasons as : people have called because they were given 19 nuggets in a 20 chicken nugget meal

2011-07-23 09:27:51

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m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|6887|UK

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here he is.

Last edited by m3thod (2011-07-23 09:28:05)

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