ATG
Banned
+5,233|6831|Global Command
Just take a look at how the Texas and Ohio delegate scheme works.

Seems cumbersome and complicated. It's also amusing that Hillary still maintains a super delegate edge. So, despite all the apparent ass kicking Obama has been doing Hillary still has a chance of bull dogging her way to the nomination due to the convoluted nomination process the Democrats employee to anoint their leader.

How will the $900,000 in cash they've received from the candidates determine the election.

And to the point of the thread; based upon what is happening with the party, how in the hell do people expect a party that has so complicated their own nomination process to sort out our universal health care? How complicated will the surrender withdraw from Iraq be and how many years will it take? How convoluted of an immigration policy will there be?

I have voiced support for Obama, but it is as a protest vote against republicans sending up liberals and calling them conservatives.

I believe that if the Democrats manage a win they will preside over the second Great Depression because the unfunded social programs they are selling now will never be funded, and as the U.S. economy goes, so goes the world economy.
They will excuse the coming 8 years of their failure on the eight years of Bush.

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Last edited by ATG (2008-03-04 19:17:05)

(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7131|Grapevine, TX
You heard the man.

Nice pic.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6883|the dank(super) side of Oregon
If Hillary steals the nomination I'd tell Obama to run in the Presidental race as an Independent.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2008-03-04 19:23:37)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

The Democrats put more power into the hands of party loyalist zombies. Fact.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7062|San Antonio, Texas

Reciprocity wrote:

If Hillary steals the nomination I'd tell Obama to run in the Presidential race as an Independent.
Do it.


It would guarantee McCain a win.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6883|the dank(super) side of Oregon

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

If Hillary steals the nomination I'd tell Obama to run in the Presidential race as an Independent.
Do it.


It would guarantee McCain a win.
I wouldn't give a shit because the domocrats wouldn't deserve a god damned thing.  If Obama wants to be President why should he let some superdelegate bullshit stop him?
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL
Democrats love to do things the most cumbersome and inefficient way possible, is that even a surprise?

I can't see Hillary explaining her way out of a stolen primary in the general election anyway.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6831|Global Command

S.Lythberg wrote:

Democrats love to do things the most cumbersome and inefficient way possible, is that even a surprise?

I can't see Hillary explaining her way out of a stolen primary in the general election anyway.
Did Bush manage that ok?
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85
Republicans: Get shit done. (hell, that shit may be needless global wars or making the rich richer, but they get shit done )
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7062|San Antonio, Texas

S.Lythberg wrote:

Democrats love to do things the most cumbersome and inefficient way possible, is that even a surprise?

I can't see Hillary explaining her way out of a stolen primary in the general election anyway.
I can't see Hillary explaining her way out of a stolen primary in the Democratic National Convention.


RIOTS!
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6749|Chicago, IL

ATG wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Democrats love to do things the most cumbersome and inefficient way possible, is that even a surprise?

I can't see Hillary explaining her way out of a stolen primary in the general election anyway.
Did Bush manage that ok?
what, bloating the government, or beating frankenberry in 04?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Republicans: Get shit done. (hell, that shit may be needless global wars or making the rich richer, but they get shit done )
They had plenty of help from their colleagues across the aisle.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6789|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
This will be just like in 93 when Bush and Perot were running splitting the vote allowing Clinton (Bill) to win.
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7062|San Antonio, Texas

SgtHeihn wrote:

This will be just like in 93 when Bush and Perot were running splitting the vote allowing Clinton (Bill) to win.
I doubt Hillary or Obama would go independent to split the vote.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Republicans: Get shit done. (hell, that shit may be needless global wars or making the rich richer, but they get shit done )
They had plenty of help from their colleagues across the aisle.
Including the lying and backstabbing?

Well...yeah, probably.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7008

Reciprocity wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

If Hillary steals the nomination I'd tell Obama to run in the Presidential race as an Independent.
Do it.


It would guarantee McCain a win.
I wouldn't give a shit because the domocrats wouldn't deserve a god damned thing.  If Obama wants to be President why should he let some superdelegate bullshit stop him?
Hah, Superdalegates.  If the superdelegates cause Hillary to be elected, she'd loose the black votes; people would claim it was racism.  The democratic party would be split and then torn to shreds fighting over the candidates.

I am confused as to how/why the concept of superdelegates ever came into existence.  It seems wildly un-democratic.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6707|North Carolina
ATG, if nothing else, you are quite good at the blame game yourself.

That being said, I would have to agree with you that the Superdelegate thing is bullshit.

Primaries and elections should simply be popular votes AND THAT'S IT.  Instead, we have a moderately representative plutocracy (as the Onion puts it).
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7062|San Antonio, Texas

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

I am confused as to how/why the concept of superdelegates ever came into existence.  It seems wildly un-democratic.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill

The reason why there are superdelegates is because the "average voter" doesn't pay close attention to politics and doesn't know the best candidate for the job. Why the Democrats have so many superdelegates just goes to show you how much faith the Democrats have in their voting supporters.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6821|Montucky
Personally, Politicians in general complicate things.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6707|North Carolina

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

I am confused as to how/why the concept of superdelegates ever came into existence.  It seems wildly un-democratic.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill

The reason why there are superdelegates is because the "average voter" doesn't pay close attention to politics and doesn't know the best candidate for the job. Why the Democrats have so many superdelegates just goes to show you how much faith the Democrats have in their voting supporters.
It also has to do with the age of the party.  The Republican party didn't form until 1854, which was several decades after what would become the Democratic party formed.  The Democrats' system is starting to show its age, but then again, so is the Republican "winner takes all" system.

Neither one is particularly faithful to proportional representation, but then again, not much about our system really is.  What seems to matter a lot more than numbers is money.
liquix
Member
+51|6756|Peoples Republic of Portland
it would be better if we all were right-wing and thought exactly the same way. F freedom of opinion and choice, eh mates! It's the American way.

In fact, lets just exercise some fiscal conservatism by plunging our country into historic debt and crushing the power of the dollar; then we can blame it on Clinton!
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7143|Cologne, Germany

I have never understood why you'd have to go through the whole campaign trail thing two times anyway. Why not simply let anyone from any party run in the general elections, and whoever gets the most votes, becomes president ? Democracy ain't that complicated...

Yeah, I know, electoral college and all of that. Seems like democracy is complicated after all...
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6883|the dank(super) side of Oregon

B.Schuss wrote:

I have never understood why you'd have to go through the whole campaign trail thing two times anyway. Why not simply let anyone from any party run in the general elections, and whoever gets the most votes, becomes president ? Democracy ain't that complicated...

Yeah, I know, electoral college and all of that. Seems like democracy is complicated after all...
Because parties have infested our government since the beginning.  They don't want us voting for people, they want us voting for platforms.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,060|7074|PNW

ATG wrote:

I have voiced support for Obama, but it is as a protest vote against republicans sending up liberals and calling them conservatives.
So instead you're going to support a liberal that makes Hillary look conservative by comparison. GG.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6713|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

ATG, if nothing else, you are quite good at the blame game yourself.

That being said, I would have to agree with you that the Superdelegate thing is bullshit.

Primaries and elections should simply be popular votes AND THAT'S IT.  Instead, we have a moderately representative plutocracy (as the Onion puts it).
So just hold the voting in CA, TX, and NY (maybe FL). That's all you'd really need for a popular vote, anyway.

That's why the electoral college process is in the Constitution...to attempt to level the playing field and prevent a handful of the most populous states from running everything. However, I do believe the electoral college votes should be cast in proportion to the popular vote from a given state rather than "all or nothing" like we have now.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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