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2006-09-16 04:27:02
ssonrats
Member
+221|7095

klassekock wrote:

ssonrats wrote:

Ben>You wrote:

3. In a match, infantry only or not, snipers won't get a good kdr, thus not helping the team the way they should.
So am i helping the team then?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/ … een034.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/ … een002.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/ … een001.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/ … een021.jpg

These aren't one-off rounds either, rat>Ben.
So what?
when I take a screenshot of my stats it's because it has been an awesome round. I assume it's the same for you? How about letting us see one of your usual average rounds instead of bragging with your best, eh?
I'll give you a game and you will see, i only posted them because of relevance and the fact that in most of them there are multiple wookies owning it up, as i said before these aren't one-offs, all of the WOoKie's aren't your average sniper, we are dedicated to what we do, and most of us can manage rounds like that on a regular basis. PWN3D

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2006-09-16 04:37:41
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|7036|Sweden

ssonrats wrote:

klassekock wrote:

ssonrats wrote:


So am i helping the team then?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/ … een034.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/ … een002.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/ … een001.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/ … een021.jpg

These aren't one-off rounds either, rat>Ben.
So what?
when I take a screenshot of my stats it's because it has been an awesome round. I assume it's the same for you? How about letting us see one of your usual average rounds instead of bragging with your best, eh?
Negative, these are typical rounds, i'll give you a game and you will see.
I must have had the worst luck in the world for never playing with some decent snipers then......
And as todd Angelo also mentioned there are surely some skilled snipers that contribute to the game. And for all others, You can play whatever you want as long as you find it fun!

And I will add you to my leaderboard and join your squad some time. Then it's up to you to change my opinion about snipers


And last. I wouldn't want to have the kit removed because I love to knife your sniping wookie asses when your hiding in the bush!!!!   

HAHAHA.
2006-09-16 04:41:50
ssonrats
Member
+221|7095

klassekock wrote:

ssonrats wrote:

klassekock wrote:

So what?
when I take a screenshot of my stats it's because it has been an awesome round. I assume it's the same for you? How about letting us see one of your usual average rounds instead of bragging with your best, eh?
Negative, these are typical rounds, i'll give you a game and you will see.
I must have had the worst luck in the world for never playing with some decent snipers then......
And as todd Angelo also mentioned there are surely some skilled snipers that contribute to the game. And for all others, You can play whatever you want as long as you find it fun!

And I will add you to my leaderboard and join your squad some time. Then it's up to you to change my opinion about snipers


And last. I wouldn't want to have the kit removed because I love to knife your sniping wookie asses when your hiding in the bush!!!!   

HAHAHA.
I don't hide away, btw add me to your xfire and we can hit a server if you want, see if i can change your stereotipical attitude towards us.

And btw your quote of me earlier is out of date, as i changed my post because i didn't want to come across as a big headed loser like another well known sniper we all know.

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2006-09-16 04:46:10
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|7077|Warlord
More 'luck' and 'mediocrity' from me.
2006-09-16 04:49:09
Simon
basically
+838|7107|UK
Nice todd.
2006-09-16 04:53:21
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|7036|Sweden
I know my stats suck compared to yours, you ace snipers.

But I still think you look ridicilous in those wookie suits!

LOL
2006-09-16 04:54:46
Mj.Blindfisch
Bulletdrop-Buddha
+338|7146|Germany
Is this ridiculous discussion still going on?
Shit,I don't have to justify my skill as a sniper with tons of screenshots.
People who encounter me on Wake know what's up,and that's what counts.
2006-09-16 04:55:40
dont_be_ss
Member
+312|7043|selby, n. yorkshire, UK
my turn

no i did not use the J-10
https://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/theblackratss/mybesteverkillstreak.jpg

https://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/theblackratss/29-0.jpg

https://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h297/theblackratss/WOOKIEFTW.png
2006-09-16 04:57:05
dont_be_ss
Member
+312|7043|selby, n. yorkshire, UK

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

Is this ridiculous discussion still going on?
Shit,I don't have to justify my skill as a sniper with tons of screenshots.
People who encounter me on Wake know what's up,and that's what counts.
I love it when i encounter you in a sniper shootout, it sometimes lasts 10minutes. LMFAO
2006-09-16 04:57:58
ssonrats
Member
+221|7095

klassekock wrote:

I know my stats suck compared to yours, you ace snipers.

But I still think you look ridicilous in those wookie suits!

LOL
Yeah, we love the wookie suits, they give us special abilities, aimbots etc.
2006-09-16 05:01:57
=Robin-Hood=
A stranger in the dark
+213|7270|Belgium

I simply love the sniper kit. Not that I am so godlike with it, far from it. Not even because I love to penetrate their spinal cord with stainless steel.

But they always, without a single exception, bestow our forums with lengthy and sometimes with sound reasoning discussions.

Really a feast for the eye.

If you like to read; read a sniper stance from someone who is entitled to speak.
2006-09-16 05:56:06
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7238|Singapore

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Well maybe. But as a rule you don't have to be good at something to offer constructive input, particularly if you're more intelligent than average.
Hmm. I realized that YOU happened to use this against me, I vaguely remember you saying 'with lousy infantry stats like mine who am I to comment' etc.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

I play sniper, so I play maps where snipers are worth having.

Duh.

Like which guy who only had skills as a jet pilot would play on maps without planes? LOL
Mmmm, then you're simply playing the game as you favour it, so the argument that the sniper is effectie, say  as a multiple usage class is moot. And if you're insinuating anything, take a closer look. I've got more time spent on infantry maps than ANY other map.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

Fact remains that you play a stupid, lone wolf class that contributes just about NOTHING to the team -
Who's mixing up public-server play with competitive play now?
Well, YOU brought the topic over to public-server play. Its already a moot point that competitions = snipers are useless. No argument whatsoever.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

I love it, classic stuff: because you're arguing with me I of course have to suck and it has to be luck. Yeah, I stood in one spot for 25 minutes and fortunate for me 41 guys ran in front of my scope and I got a KDR of 3.4, while defending flags a half-dozen times; or another time 43 guys passed by my hiding spot, I got a KDR of 2.5 and defended 13 flags; and another game when 54 guys ran past and I got a KDR of 5 and defended 11 flags. Man, I must be the luckiest guy in the world! Go me; maybe I should try the lottery?

One thing I'm pretty sure of: you couldn't do the same, again and again. Now this is your cue to say you wouldn't want to because the class is useless, or you wouldn't waste your time, something like that. For the record: that would be an excuse
Yes, 3 games out of the 1898 games you've played. That's 0.001% of the games you have participated in and actually made and impact/proved yourself to be useful. Read Nyte's own comment that a sniper that camps in defense in any other map but karkand, you being the karkand wh0re that you are, is useless. Because BF2 = Flags. Nothing else. If you think otherwise you're playing the wrong game, go back to CS.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

And yes, I realise the presence of a few greats in our midst. dont_be_ss, Nyte, Books, Sinnfein just to name the few players that I've had INCREDIBLE respect for, I have NOTHING but credit for their sniping ability and the insane proficiency they have at playing this supposedly useless class. But to me, they're exceptions to the cause.
Hehe.
Hehe? Yup, that's the level of maturity I expected you to display when answering this pertinent point. Cat got your tongue?

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Unlike me? Hahahahahaha. Making assumptions much? Dude, if you could even bench my body weight I'd be impressed
.

Seeing that I can bench quite a bit, you're just telling everyone you're a fat fuck.

polarbearz wrote:

Sadly though, you're halfway around the world so I can't prove this to you, so all this is going to go is for us to hurl empty threats at each other *shrug*
Except I didn't hurl any empty threats at you.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

R3v4n wrote:

T0rr3nt wrote:

snipers are lame and dont have any skill. im sorry if you are the l337 sniper with 70%+ acc. but really, what are you doing for your team?
Did you even read the topic?
Apparently not.
Apparently So.
2006-09-16 06:06:42
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7238|Singapore

Todd_Angelo wrote:

sharpshot19 wrote:

yeah theres a lot of stuff to read, so i didnt...but i just played in a match last night Cal 8v8 on bf2 pro.... both teams had snipers and this was on mashtuur city....not exactly the most ideal map to snipe on...the enemy commander would be sniper (occassionally) and so did i ( also occassionally)....when we got all but one base and are just defending em cuz we decided just to bleed em out, hell y not be a sniper...you can droppem faster, they'll never have a chance at getting close to your base and if they do you got other infantry there in your squad to take them out...and if worst comes to worst you throw a clay on the flag, hide around the corner and boom 2 seconds later your in the clear again.
Interesting. Now this raises another question, how much weight should we give bearz's statements about clan play?
Let me kindly redefine it for you. PROPER clan matches, vehicles and everything. Not the gay-ass CS-wannabe matches, i.e. Infantry only for snipers like you. BF2WT (that's World Tourney for you retards) matches. Now, sharpshot, explain to me how useful your sniper rifle or your fucking claymore would be any use against the tank/apc convoy in Mashtuur city?

And for fuck's sake. Spare us the screenies. Put it this way I've got 700 goldstars, that's 700 games top in the server. So spare us. No one wants to see your 1/2 a second of fame
2006-09-16 09:45:30
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|7077|Warlord

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Well maybe. But as a rule you don't have to be good at something to offer constructive input, particularly if you're more intelligent than average.
Hmm. I realized that YOU happened to use this against me, I vaguely remember you saying 'with lousy infantry stats like mine who am I to comment' etc.
Vaguely is right I didn't actually, what I asked was, based on your level of vehicle use "why would you think someone should give your opinion on something to do with infantry play as much weight as you think it should have?"

polarbearz wrote:

Well, YOU brought the topic over to public-server play.
Again you're letting your bias cloud your reasoning. The topic had already stopped being about competitive play only before the end of page 1; go check if you don't believe me. I didn't post until page 4! The fact that you're continuing to argue points with just me, despite all the other people disagreeing with you and posting contrary info clearly shows your bias.

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Like which guy who only had skills as a jet pilot would play on maps without planes? LOL
...And if you're insinuating anything...
Ah, no actually I wasn't although I can see how it might have read. I was just going for an example of a specialist player where there wouldn't be any point in him going in certain maps.

polarbearz wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

And yes, I realise the presence of a few greats in our midst. dont_be_ss, Nyte, Books, Sinnfein just to name the few players that I've had INCREDIBLE respect for, I have NOTHING but credit for their sniping ability and the insane proficiency they have at playing this supposedly useless class. But to me, they're exceptions to the cause.
Hehe.
Hehe? Yup, that's the level of maturity I expected you to display... Cat got your tongue?
In all seriousness, anyone who has stooped to veiled threats of physical violence can't play the maturity card and expect to be taken seriously. But anyway, the reason I answered that point in that way is I know something you don't, but it's not something I can post as I'm not sure if it was shared in confidence. Perhaps if he's not busy and gets wind of this thread he'll post but otherwise I'll have to leave it at hehe.

polarbearz wrote:

...when answering this pertinent point.
You can't play this card with any legitimacy either; unless you just accidentally overlooked the very pertinent point that I made that bore directly on your assumed attitude toward my play, but given it's two long orange URLs I think that's doubtful.

polarbearz wrote:

Read Nyte's own comment that a sniper that camps in defense in any other map but karkand, you being the karkand wh0re that you are, is useless.
Just like the attempt at a dig on my WLR I really have to wonder if you even looked at the right stats or do you just misrepresent things as a routine thing? You made some reference to Karkand before and I already told you I practically never play it any more... less than 23% is a whore in what universe?

I'm a Sharqi whore, and proud of it

polarbearz wrote:

Because BF2 = Flags. Nothing else. If you think otherwise you're playing the wrong game, go back to CS.
I've never played CS. The pertinent point you missed or are ignoring bears directly on this. So there's no excuses:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

Nyte, for example, in ALL his videos show himself capping flags, hitting the frontlines. This itself, already garners respect from me.
It does? Oh good, check the flag points/min:
http://www.statpadder.com:8080/bf2calc/ … 1152246960
http://www.statpadder.com:8080/bf2calc/ … 1152296460

polarbearz wrote:

Let me kindly redefine it for you. PROPER clan matches...
I don't pretend to know anything about competitive BF2 play, that's why I asked how much weight we should give your views, instead of copping a typical forum toughguy attitude of "you're a wanker so everything you say is bullshit" and just dismissing what you'd said outright, even without the posts of more than a couple of others seeming to show that it wasn't as cut and dried as you stated. So, about competitive play/players, any problems with the premise in what I posted?

polarbearz wrote:

Seeing that I can bench quite a bit, you're just telling everyone you're a fat fuck.
What is 'quite a bit' in your neck of the woods?

And no, I'm not actually fat. I have a heavy skeleton (seriously).
2006-09-16 11:29:06
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|7259|Marathon, Florida Keys
i keep my promises

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8853 … 056vp5.jpg
https://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g117/patton1337/stats.jpg
2006-09-16 11:34:44
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7103
Guys this isn't CS, a sniper is not truly effective in cqc. Granted, even if you have the skill to make headshots on close-range moving targets (just watch some of the pro's in CS do it in .002 of a second) BF2 doesn't make it easy with a much stronger zoom, longer zoom in time, and the occasional stuttering. In matches with just a few players you're going to want flags while keeping tickets, which a sniper is not the most efficient in.

I can imagine that a really, really good sniper capable of getting headshots persistently over a long distance can be of use in a 12v12 or maybe even an 8v8 conquest match, but in <6v6 infantry matches, it's medics with the occasional assault.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
2006-09-16 11:36:40
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7211

You people know that not everyone played CS, CSSSS, RPEM, or whatever acronym you guys keep throwing out there.
2006-09-16 11:38:24
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7170|California

Todd_Angelo wrote:

More 'luck' and 'mediocrity' from me.
hey look, more screenshots
2006-09-16 11:51:23
Tushers
Noctwisaskfirtush
+224|7134|Some where huntin in Wisconsin

allfive6 wrote:

No snipers when money is on the line. On the weekend I went to a BF2 tournament in town. I did not find out about the thing in time to get a team together but I thought it would be nice to watch. So there’s about 12 teams of 6 and top prize 500$ not much
Split 6 ways but whatever. So I am there watching and I noticed there are some pretty good players I have seen some of them online before but I also noticed no one is playing sniper so I move around looking at the players screen and sure enough no one is playing sniper even on Karkand. So I thought how odd then I heard someone say something to one of this team mates “why are you a sniper” I look at his screen and sure enough he was a sniper and he said sorry clicked the wrong kit. I just find it so funny that when money is on the line no one plays sniper yet all other kits are there. Could it be because even players who use the sniper kit know it is useless? I think it is time EA and Dice removed this useless kit once and for all.
ur a fucking cock whore...snipers can help decide how the round goes...yea some "snipers who sit and camp all round do a wee bit but squad sniping dude its the best thing ever it can save ur ass so many times...ha me and a group oh kids did that same speal as ur little tourny but we where all snipers but one he was a medic whore...we got second we pwnd man snipers arnt useless unless u find a shitty one then they suck but IMO medics are usless
2006-09-16 11:55:53
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7211

Tushers wrote:

but IMO medics are usless
I think the competition between medics and snipers proved otherwise.
2006-09-16 11:59:12
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7170|California

Tushers wrote:

but IMO medics are usless
oh my dear sir, you are sorely mistaken. the AT kit own the sniper kit in the face. You have a footlong explosive bullet, and a shotgun.
2006-09-16 12:15:40
elite.mafia
Banned
+122|6903|USA
Sniper's are not usefull on strike at karkand.. just about every other map they are useful.  The reason why no one is sniper on karkand, is because EVERYONE is a medic. EVERYONE stays somewhat together (at least on usmc) and if someone dies, they revive that person so they do not lose a ticket. In leagues, tickets are everything.
2006-09-16 13:28:40
bennisboy
Member
+829|7096|Poundland

allfive6 wrote:

No snipers when money is on the line. On the weekend I went to a BF2 tournament in town. I did not find out about the thing in time to get a team together but I thought it would be nice to watch. So there’s about 12 teams of 6 and top prize 500$ not much
Split 6 ways but whatever. So I am there watching and I noticed there are some pretty good players I have seen some of them online before but I also noticed no one is playing sniper so I move around looking at the players screen and sure enough no one is playing sniper even on Karkand. So I thought how odd then I heard someone say something to one of this team mates “why are you a sniper” I look at his screen and sure enough he was a sniper and he said sorry clicked the wrong kit. I just find it so funny that when money is on the line no one plays sniper yet all other kits are there. Could it be because even players who use the sniper kit know it is useless? I think it is time EA and Dice removed this useless kit once and for all.
come on, you're just being a dick, why should it be removed? people like to play it and have fun using it, if you don't like it don't use it. easy as. so dont start saying it should be removed, let me see, you probably get killed all the time by snipers don't you
2006-09-16 13:35:40
Chillin&killin
Member
+27|7124|Manchester,England

elite.mafia wrote:

Sniper's are not usefull on strike at karkand.. just about every other map they are useful.  The reason why no one is sniper on karkand, is because EVERYONE is a medic. EVERYONE stays somewhat together (at least on usmc) and if someone dies, they revive that person so they do not lose a ticket. In leagues, tickets are everything.
actually i play sniper on karkand. its easy
2006-09-16 13:50:00
Ben>You
Member
+90|6976

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Ben>You wrote:

Towelly wrote:

You have no idea how many screenshots he will now post.....
He's not good enough for matches. Not being a dick, just saying.
And you are? I don't take any offence at this, it's a good point actually and it raises an interesting thing I wanted to ask about.

Scrims take place on locked servers, right? So they have to be unranked and until recently that meant no unlocks, which is why we've heard it said many times that's why clan players prefer to use unlocks for normal play so they don't get used to something else. Correct? So that means that no matter how well or how badly you do in scrims it won't show on your stats.

Now, the standard of players in clans... the better ones obviously since some are going to be Mickey Mouse... is supposed to be WAY higher than on public servers, right?

See where I'm going with this? So good competitive players should have mega stats in terms of KDR, SPM and a few other areas... if only for recent play since you can improve a lot, and quickly, once you get competitive... since they're supposedly so much better than the general standard seen in the average public server. Shouldn't they?
Actually, yes. At a time I was as good as some in [20id], but then I stopped playing and switched to Wow, then back to bf2, and now I'm playing for -]NFL[- in CAL O.

Not sure where you're going with the whole unlock ordeal, but just to cover all the bases, I never use unlocks, when I pub I'm usually by myself (AKA no half intelligent people [clan mates] that know how to point and click with the paddles), and unlocks aren't allowed in locked games. Again, please clear up what you said, because I got lost. My new account (which I haven't played with much lately) does have [imega stats[/i] as far as I'm concerned. Certainly not Codeseven shit but its pretty good. Also, I tend to spread out certain aspects of play on different, low ranking, accounts, like with -]NFL[-Ram I played mostly infantry, with a bit of helicopters and the like. Those who compete on a high level ARE "so much better" than those who spend their entire BF2 careers in pubs.

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