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PCShooterNoob wrote:

genius_man16 wrote:

the only time i mind raping uncaps is on Karkand, but other than that, if you only have 1 flag... deal with it

why can't you just sneak away and cap a back flag for your team? 99.99% of the time, when your getting spawn raped, the whole enemy team is there doing it, so you'll have free rein to take a different flag (gotta watch for the commander though...

Exactly...just walk away.  It's an uncappable base, so it's not like you have to stay and make sure they don't take the flag.  Walk away...and be a squad leader if possible so that others can follow your example.  When you suddenly take a spawn point, their team has to split up, and the disarray usually leads to a good chance to make a comeback.

Try walking away/Try sneaking away... Ha! Any good raper knows all the flag spawn points and where to put bombs/bullets to ensure kills before the target even moves. But feel free to try it some time as my jet machinegun fire perforates you on spawn.

Everyone's got an opinion on this and i'm sure everyone's got reasons to back their POV up. Personally I think it's a cheap tactic. I will never start the raping but I will always return the favor... it's all about karma. You get what you give.

My reason is this: Being raped is not fun and so you're really just ruining the game for the other person. I don't appreciate it and so I know that those on the receiving end of my raping would feel the same. What's the point in playing a game that's not fun?

I've given up complaining about it; I'll just ask the offending person once to stop by pointing out the above. Sometimes people listen, sometimes their own teamates will tell them to stop so they can actually get some points too, but most often times the person is just some arrogant 8 yr old twat who just giggles maniacally as they wank off to their own whoring.

Point is: If you don't like being raped, change servers and find a server that encourages a more fun environment. That's what I always do.

Well, I put all of my arguments into one coherent post and even added some hard evidence that you require.... and you ignore it. Proof further that people who rape will make any excuse to keep doing it, including ignoring perfectly valid points. I really dont care, I never believed you would ever stop it. Like I said, I leave servers that encourage it and kick for it on my own, so clearly we will never play together. I just hope that you will actually read my post one day. Maybe see that I have some valid points there about the design EA intended for the game. Until then, continue abusing the system, you'll never reap any benefit for it from me though, nor will you see me abusing any aspect of this game, ever. good day.

Last edited by comet241 (2006-07-09 02:00:53)

That is unbelievably lame.




Don't you feel.........bad?  Guilty?

Last edited by james@alienware (2006-07-09 03:11:09)

Spawn on the lower level of the carrier and then go for a swim.  Most of the time the chopper and tanks will ignore you because your so small and hard to hit while swimming to the island.  Also, don't go to where the enemy is, try to flank them.

If you have a halfway compotent team, you less likely to get baseraped for a protracted period of time. 

Wake lends it self to baseraping because everyone wants a flying vehicle and very few people understand that taking flags is the way to win that map.  Also.  Using both Essex guns can help cut down on the baseraping.

The same thing can happen on Dalian Plant and Gulf of Oman if one side gets forced back to it's uncap. 

Good Commanders and Intelligent Teamwork can help prevent getting baseraped.

Last edited by DSRTurtle (2006-07-09 05:28:26)

comet241 wrote:

EA has designed certain maps with uncappable flags. These are bases where only one side can spawn…. Period. Outside of the odd asset here and there, there is no particular need for an enemy to go there other than to catch people just as they are spawning, and at their weakest (this is where I link my earlier comments as it being a “weak strategy”, hitting people when they are at their weakest). To which you reply: isn’t that the whole point of warfare???

Comet m8, I like your attitude about sportsmanlike conduct we need alot more of that. We can choose which level of difficulty we play on by joining servers with rules we like. Having both levels of rules makes a good gaming comunity.

You assertion why strategic raiding is a weakness by kicking the enemy when he is down! We are here to win!!! Its Logical Fallacy m8, your points do not support your conclusion either because something was left out or because you believe everyone agrees with your assumptions, I am not sure which. And its no big deal we just keep refining our points until we can connect the dots 

You dismiss the Main Raid by assuming there is little or no reason to do it.  Actually there is every reason to do it at the right time during the battle and none of them are because of character flaws (unless, I agree with you here, they are breaking written rules of that particular server). Attacking an enemy base regardless of it's capturability, blinds the enemy if you lay waste to the UAV/SAT, reduce enemy firepower by spiking arty and changes force balance if you capture empty enemy armor and use it against them. Even more you create a second flank forcing the enemy to answer your initiative, to dance to your tune. A team allowing the enemy to effectivley control their logistics base has lost the game, its that simple

This kind of BF2 battle is levels above the iron sights of Counter Strike and it is battle that EA/Dice intended to be there demonstrated by design. Since we aren't allowed to mod the ranked maps we must use the scenarios provided with BF2 as is and not invent our own scenario. 

comet241 wrote:

Going back to my point, EA designed the game with certain maps having uncappable flags. These flags were not meant for the enemy to really be there.

Had BF2 intended for uncaps to be off limits they would have put the No/Go border over it killing any enemy who stays more than 15 seconds. The non-cap only means it can't be captured it doens't mean "Don't go here".

If you look at all the maps with the posted BF2 scenarios in mind you see that the choice of when uncaps are used and when they are not makes sense, Assault scenarios have one uncap, Conquest no uncaps, etc..  Caps and tickets are all calculated in the game balance design accordingly. Depending on the skills of the team it may or may not be a weakness to hit them at their home base. It is there because the scenario design used it based on the mission. So you see the game was not meant to be 50/50 in every situation! Sometimes you start at a disadvantage!!!

Example: KARKAND, USMC, one UNCAP no flags no neutrals on map. Mission: Assault the Factory - go read the scenario description.  The MEC, strategically, have a few options they may use. Lets go thru the process that every single MEC commander always uses to decide how he will defeat the imperialist infidel marines at Karkand.

MEC Commanders estimate of the situation:

"USMC is expected to attack in force to attempt to sieze our main base and strategic assets in Karkand. Force size is equal to our available forces but initial advantage is to the USMC because Southern Karkand is at risk due to proximity of USMC base and greater distance to our own armor base. Visibility is limited to increased reliance on UAV/SAT imagery is key to our forces agility."

Possible Courses of Action (COA)-
1. Linear Defense forward generally South of the Hotel at the narrow point of the map
Strengths-        Weaknesses-
2. Delay in Sector mainland urban area with mutually supporting strong points
Strengths-        Weaknesses-
3. Deliberate Defense on the riverline to protect assets and limit enemy avenues of attack
Strengths-        Weaknesses-
4. Counter-Attack the USMC Assembly Area before they attack to strategically pre-empt US action
Strengths-        Weaknesses-

OK i'll stop here. You get the idea.

COA 4 is dicey because if MEC assaults to pre-empt USMCs assault immediately they have no armor for a minute or two. USMC can have respawned 2-3 times by then. USMC strong points at the arty firebases reinforced by armor are formidable if only infantry is attacking.

Now on many servers the COA 1 is the defacto plan because a) it takes no extra planning at first, b) the potential for heavy infantry melee around the Hotel will draw all non-armor spawners. It is the least tactically sound of the COAs I listed, especially if the map is strategically open (no spawn fences). This plan is easily outflankd by USMC massing forces on one area and making end runs over the heights on both flanks and rolling to the Factory which is their objective.

Yes this is a Game but its a Wargame and lends itself nicely to the application of the Arts and Sciences of War.

Good Luck and Have Fun

Last edited by OpsChief (2006-07-09 18:39:40)

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

1. What makes 'baseraping' different from fighting at a cappable flag?

2. 'baseraping' is fun becaues n00b smurfs complain

3. Grab a gun and deal with the 'baserapers', wait.... what was your team doing to get into this position in the first place????

Hey it must be alright to base rape because vengence says so and I mean he never does anything wrong.

Hell you must be realy good at it to have killed Antic_Mitch (56), Majorcrabs (41), SpoiledLiLBrat (40), must have been nice for you to have them stand there in main while you killed them.

Plisken wrote:

Most people who rape un-capturables (like arty island on wake etc) are point whores and can't accept that it's only a game and think that by having alot of points is gonna make them 1337,
eg. I've seen 2 j-10's bomb that island even after they lost all their spawn points until they were attacked by a f15

The USMC Arty Island on Wake and the one on Dalian Plant are strategic points.  They have value to both sides.  If the Chineese can get there and hold that point, they can deny the USMC the ability to use a strategic and tactical asset called Artillery. 

On Wake Island there is a Stinger missle there that can then be used against the USMC aircraft instead of the Chineese Aircraft. 

On Dalian Plant the USMC Arty Island is a little harder to defend as there is no spawn point there.  However it is just as strategically and tactically valuable as the USMC Arty Island on Wake. 

Deny the USMC their Arty and they have a tougher time staying or capturing flags on the main land part of the map. 

Dragon Valley is probably the worst map for the USMC to be kicked off.  If they are unable to stay on the mainland they not only lose their arty, they lose their UAV and Sat denying the USMC Commander anything to help the team.

On a side note the J10 is overmatched against the F-35 but that's a different thread.

If you can force the USMC back into the carrier and keep them there you are pretty much assured a win.

If you can get the strategic bses and take them from the Chinese or MEC, Airfied on Wake, Intake on Kubra, Factory on Karkand, Refinery on Dragon Valley and keep them for a protracted period of time then the USMC is pretty much assured of a win.

I have lost count of the times I have swam from the North Village to the South Base and back capping those flags so the Chinese have more than one base just to prolong the game hopiing the Chineese can wear down the tickets so we can win.  The flip side is because I do things like that I know what to look for and try to prevent them from doing that.  ex, telling the Cobra pilot there's a swimmer going to the arty island from the north end or south end.  etc.

Last edited by DSRTurtle (2006-07-10 04:10:39)

theoneandonly wrote:

comet241 wrote:

Well, I put all of my arguments into one coherent post and even added some hard evidence that you require.... and you ignore it. Proof further that people who rape will make any excuse to keep doing it, including ignoring perfectly valid points. I really dont care, I never believed you would ever stop it. Like I said, I leave servers that encourage it and kick for it on my own, so clearly we will never play together. I just hope that you will actually read my post one day. Maybe see that I have some valid points there about the design EA intended for the game. Until then, continue abusing the system, you'll never reap any benefit for it from me though, nor will you see me abusing any aspect of this game, ever. good day.

I agree with Comet here. I think that the idea that EA games never intended for mains to be raped in the way that they are, and the evidence that he puts forward, shows he is right.

Where is pcshooternoob with his wry little comments now???? A good point is made and he backs out like a wimp. at least concede the point. Well, I for one take his silence to be just that. I agree, and main raping shouldn't be done because it never was intended to be done.

No sir,
the evidence and logic he put forth did not prove his point. He argues sportsmanship and chivalry which is good but it becomes logical fallacy when you try to use that to explain rules that didn't exist until a couple months after BF2 came out.  It's OK to agree with him but at least know that the no-rape and no-camp rules are post-design mods. If EA/Dice intended it they would have beed easy to code the zones no/go to the other team.

The BF2 community needs servers that cater to beginner thru expert levels of play. Removing the spawncamping and baseraping rules helps newer players get individual skills before they are faced with the combined arms non-linear unfenced BF2.

Shooter when you say "lies" you meant inconsistancies? or mistakes? omissions? I think the word "lies" can be easily misunderstood m8   I don't see where he was intentionally trying to mislead us for malicious purposes, but then hey, maybe I missed something too! lol we have a few long posts in here.

lol kk

There is nothing wrong with raiding/raping the main uncap of an enemy provided you and your team understand there is a point when it loses it value to do so. 

All to many times teams and players get focused on rainding the main uncap that they lose sight of the bigger picture of winning the round. 

In one of my earlier posts I used an example of Kubra Dam for 2 rounds. 

To those of you think raiding/raping an uncap is wrong because it is unsportsman like you may be correct from that point of view. 

To those that think raiding/raping an uncap repeatedly is ok then you also correct from that point of view.

The difference is knowing when it is ok and when it is pointless to do so.

OGGBlueGoose wrote:

Unfortunately Noob, you have many , many inconsistancies and misrepresentations in your posts also.  Are they lies, who knows, I doubt it.  Your just trying to make your case for main raping. Sorry but I don't buy your bill of goods. 
Should I quote them.  NO.  It's not worth spending the time reading the replies. 
I'm not a main raper and never will be.  I earn all my points fair and square.
Apparently you are a main raper and always will be.

Because why present evidence when you can pop off at the mouth with no backing?  Anyway, I know you're not "buying" it, and that's fine.  if you're under the impression that it is an unsportsman like thing to do, I doubt there's much that's going to change that belief, and I personally don't care to.  All I'm saying is not to push what you believe on others.  More to the point...don't push what YOU believe OTHERS believe.  Confusing, I know.  basically, what I'm saying is that you, and everyone who shares your opinion has absolutely ZERO right to tell others WHY we baserape.  You can say it's just to point whore or a weak strategy all you want, but that's an opinion and your personal belief.  And that's fine, all you have to do ispresent it respectably.  And acknowledge that there are a number of reasons for raiding enemy uncaps that are based in actual fact, not just personal preference.  It does net you more vehicles while depriving the enemy of them, it does help to quell enemy counterattack, it does destroy commander assets, and it does kick the hell out of the enemy's tickets.  It also has weaknesses...it can be easily overrun with coordination by your team(If anyone brings up Wake Island again...I swear to God.), it does usually draw a whole team in and leave other bases undefended, and if it's done before all other flags are taken, gives the enemy a great opportunity to spawn elsewhere and lay on the pressure, dividing the forces of their opponent.  These things are fact.  We've all seen them happen.  We've all been a part of it in one way or another.  Your personal dogma, however, is just that.  Personal.  Insulting or judging others for it, especially regarding anything outside of the game, but really ANY other aspect of how they play, is nothing short of ignorant.

If it walks like a main raper, and quacks like a main raper, it is a main raper