BF2S Forums getting involved in Sudan

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-04-30 12:44:25)

Last edited by UnOriginalNuttah (2006-04-30 14:32:02)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

I support solving the problem through diplomatic channels with African Union and U.N. peace keeping force with the ability to protect civilians in within their mandate while negotiations take place.

You want to try with the low blows, lowing?  Just because I speak out against violating human rights? Fine, we'll play it that way: If the US doesn't send troops, all the better.  They tend to get quite a high ratio of 'teamkills' compared to most other nations who contribute soldiers to peacekeeper forces.  Go Canada. 

And I'm sure France and many other counties would be more willing to send troops if America would just stop trying to undermine the ICC, as this is the main chance of serving justice against those who commit genocide. 

And as for my government, I would be greatly saddened if my country (UK) refused to contribute to the peacekeeping effort, as it would display a great deal of hypocrisy, given the angle they have been playing recently with their motives in Iraq (ignoring, of course, their original reasons for going).  I'll continue to attend any protests I can to get my government to officially recognise the scale of the problem.

edit:typo

IronFerret wrote:

you aint going there cos theres no oil for you, just like ruanda. and i dont meant just US.. Europe is responsable for the historical mess its Africa, europe`s colony. They mange it to fuck up the whole continent and then leave it up when they become "liberal and democratic" so now they made chesy movies about it and have wealth care ONG`s. Not to forget that most natural resources are beeing "exploted" (it think steal is the proper word) by europeans coroporations.

i think its a great oportunity to diplomacy come out to the mainstream again.

IronFerret wrote:

you aint going there cos theres no oil for you, just like ruanda. and i dont meant just US.. Europe is responsable for the historical mess its Africa, europe`s colony. They mange it to fuck up the whole continent and then leave it up when they become "liberal and democratic" so now they made chesy movies about it and have wealth care ONG`s. Not to forget that most natural resources are beeing "exploted" (it think steal is the proper word) by europeans coroporations.

i think its a great oportunity to diplomacy come out to the mainstream again.

Last edited by herrr_smity (2006-04-30 18:00:16)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

I support solving the problem through diplomatic channels with African Union and U.N. peace keeping force with the ability to protect civilians in within their mandate while negotiations take place.

You want to try with the low blows, lowing?  Just because I speak out against violating human rights? Fine, we'll play it that way: If the US doesn't send troops, all the better.  They tend to get quite a high ratio of 'teamkills' compared to most other nations who contribute soldiers to peacekeeper forces.  Go Canada. 

And I'm sure France and many other counties would be more willing to send troops if America would just stop trying to undermine the ICC, as this is the main chance of serving justice against those who commit genocide. 

And as for my government, I would be greatly saddened if my country (UK) refused to contribute to the peacekeeping effort, as it would display a great deal of hypocrisy, given the angle they have been playing recently with their motives in Iraq (ignoring, of course, their original reasons for going).  I'll continue to attend any protests I can to get my government to officially recognise the scale of the problem.

edit:typo

IronFerret wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

NO OIL, there are plenty of oil in Sudan. the irony of Africa one might say
and its the former colonial power responsebility to fix this mess THEY (Britain, France, Italy etcetera) created.
http://www.energybulletin.net/925.html
http://www.ecosonline.org/
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAFR540012000.

if it so, thats gonna keep things even harder for them, as the "peace keepers" will find a way to bill for their services.
first world has beeing aplaying "recomendationts" througth world bank and imf to developing countries, that implies that federal expenses are oriented to non productive activities (mostly paying debt, and financial suport to private industry), a masive privatization program of all national industries, (mostly sell it to developed countries) of course this recomendations are "obligatory" if such developing countries wanna ride in the progres train with comercial treats and negotiate their unpayable debt.  Dont forget that any leader of this developing 3rd world club would be consider a tyranic, terrorist leftish demon if he tries to stand for its country independence and fair treat. But weird its indeed that most developing countries dont follow FMI and WOrld bank recomendations, they have plenty of social care, lots of education budget, protectionist policy about their own industry and so on.. they even have the comunist demon "agricultural financial assitance".

i just wanna said that the naif asumption that imperialism is a XIX century history its wrong. Imperialism its in many ways present today as it was before just has a polite face now.

Rambo Chief wrote:

The US is acting like an imperialist power again .

Rambo Chief wrote:

You mean this?
I'm not so sure that this is a good interpretation of the current state of the world.

Last edited by IronFerret (2006-04-30 19:10:33)

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/30/us.sudan.ap/index.html

Boy, I love this!!

All of you tree huggin', dirt worshipers who say we need to bring the troops home and stop meddling in foreign affairs want us to go to Sudan and stop the "attrocities" over there. Woulldn't it be the military who would be the ones sent over to re-establish order in the form of a peace keeping force? Why don't  France or Italy or Spain solve the problems over there? You guys are allot closer to it than we are.

If we went over there and someone got hurt or killed, unorginalnuttah and Marconius would flip a wig and start calling us baby killers and human rights violators and shit. Nope I say you European Union folks need to "handle it" while America sits back and critiques your performance and criticizes you for everything that didn't go the way WE think it should have gone.

IronFerret wrote:

you aint going there cos theres no oil for you, just like ruanda. and i dont meant just US.. Europe is responsable for the historical mess its Africa, europe`s colony. They mange it to fuck up the whole continent and then leave it up when they become "liberal and democratic" so now they made chesy movies about it and have wealth care ONG`s. Not to forget that most natural resources are beeing "exploted" (it think steal is the proper word) by europeans coroporations.

i think its a great oportunity to diplomacy come out to the mainstream again.