ATG
Banned
+5,233|6785|Global Command
When everybody wants money, and you give it to them, and you get home and your wife wants money.

ffs, it never ends.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6857|132 and Bush

Merge
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S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6774|Montucky
When I want to relax in my chair watch TV only to have to race down to the station, put on all my gear, race out of the station to a car wreck because some douchebag still doesn't understand the concept of not driving after having consumed an insane amount of alcohol.

Last edited by S3v3N (2009-10-23 19:56:41)

(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7085|Grapevine, TX
Why do so many people bitch about it?

When people bitch about bumping old threads....
I mean come on who gives a fuck about the date, its thoughts, ideas, jokes, [ ] thread worthy bs... Who really reads EVERY post? You might have missed that one and come across it 13 1/2 months later. It is obviously revelent to the last reply or an obvious troll, but NOT always! It might help out the FNG to the crazy game of BF2. A funny joke that made someones day... a year later... let the thread LIVE!!!

How many new threads are generated every day? Think about it. If every old thread is closed after being replied to over a year later, then why not set up the forums to automatically "CLOSE" and lock every thread over 30 days old? 60 days, 90 days...

That really grinds my gears.

Ya'll need to get over it.

Like Sand Through The Hourglass, So Are The Days of Our Lives
https://images.tvrage.com/shows/4/3256.jpg
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6774|Montucky
roflcopter.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6857|132 and Bush

People don't know the difference between a bump.. and posting in the right place/preventing duplicate threads.
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(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7085|Grapevine, TX
drunk assholes that dont have any good sense to thank the service men & women that give them the ability to do it again.

https://www.thatsjentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/grinds-my-gears.jpg<--
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6963|67.222.138.85

Pochsy wrote:

If it is only the minds of the people that matter, it must then be that you are in fact ruling a principality of the mind, which lends to a republic in the long run.
You assume the minds of the ruling and the ruled are equal. If they were, then as you said there would be no need for rulers/the only rulers would be those who happen to be at the right place at the right time to have, and even then their power would be marginal.

But they aren't. As Machiavelli writes, there are three kinds of people - people who can come to novel ideas one their own, people who can understand the novel conclusions reached by others, and those that can do neither. Following that system, there is a clear hierarchy of the mind that will inevitably lend itself to a socially and politically tiered system.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6857|132 and Bush

A10's freaking out my dog.
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OmniDeath
~
+726|6900

OmniDeath wrote:

When mods bump year old threads.


Kmarion wrote:

People don't know the difference between a bump.. and posting in the right place/preventing duplicate threads.
When people don't realize " " means a joke has been made.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6857|132 and Bush

when people don't realize i realize, but realize I still felt like explaining the difference.. for real.



douchebag apple commercials.. like they never upgraded their OS.
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Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5799|Toronto

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Pochsy wrote:

If it is only the minds of the people that matter, it must then be that you are in fact ruling a principality of the mind, which lends to a republic in the long run.
You assume the minds of the ruling and the ruled are equal. If they were, then as you said there would be no need for rulers/the only rulers would be those who happen to be at the right place at the right time to have, and even then their power would be marginal.

But they aren't. As Machiavelli writes, there are three kinds of people - people who can come to novel ideas one their own, people who can understand the novel conclusions reached by others, and those that can do neither. Following that system, there is a clear hierarchy of the mind that will inevitably lend itself to a socially and politically tiered system.
But he also holds that this ruler must be a man from the people, and for them. It is important to remember that you must replace the system of belief you have destroyed- you must implant Machiavelli's notion of virtue in even the most base mind in order for the system to work. Even if the people are unable to understand the superstructure built on the basic notion of "there is no god", it alone is enough to keep his republic alive. This moves people from the passive idea that the next life will be better, and spurs them on to actively seek power in this life much through the way Machiavelli describes- whether they know it or not. For if you never knew of the church, you never believed in morals to begin with. All Machiavelli has to do is have one person successfully use his plan for the entire system to be set in motion for the entire thing to work for eternity- he only needs the one man to understand his novel conclusion and practice it to have all those "who can do neither" fall into line. This then, forms the republic- a republic based not on equality of the mind, but equality of goals. The foolish man understands how to use others to get what he wants (the prince) even without knowing the full scheme. This checks the power of any would be tyrant, for when the tyrant takes from the people, he reduces their power, and they will not let this happen willingly. He will be abandoned. The text then, is the institution which founds the culture, all led by a single man who can enact the plan at least once in a generation.

I'm not very clear or concise because I still don't have my thoughts together- sorry.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6857|132 and Bush

browser toolbars always trying to sneak into your googlnetz
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S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6774|Montucky
oisin.
tazz.
oz.
+1,338|6431|Sydney | ♥

Kmarion wrote:

browser toolbars always trying to sneak into your googlnetz
ask?

i hate them.
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6753

Kmarion wrote:

We need a gear grinding thread.
holy necropost batman~ are we really, really, really doin away with ee chats? we regurgitate triggers shitty thread if we aren't?
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6234|Blue Mountain State
hitler
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6857|132 and Bush

explaining things to drunk ppl on bf2s
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1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6234|Blue Mountain State
pt cruisers and john cusack
https://www.itwirx.com/other/hksignature.jpg

Baba Booey
Blade4509
Wrench turnin' fool
+202|5765|America
Honda civics and Toyota prius and roughly 80% the people that drive them.
"Raise the flag high! Let the degenerates know who comes to claim their lives this day!"
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6963|67.222.138.85

Pochsy wrote:

~
I think one of the things you misunderstand is that Machiavelli is not assuming the benevolence of a prince, he is merely writing a road map to how one becomes a prince. What is important is not the prince's motivation, but what the people think the prince's motivation is. The country stays together based on where the people think the country is going, not necessarily where the country is actually going. When you consider that the prince is acting towards his own ends using the principles laid out by Machiavelli to acquire and hold power and is not necessarily a benevolent leader, statements like:

Pochsy wrote:

But he also holds that this ruler must be a man from the people, and for them.

Pochsy wrote:

This then, forms the republic- a republic based not on equality of the mind, but equality of goals. The foolish man understands how to use others to get what he wants (the prince) even without knowing the full scheme.
don't make any sense.

The point of the book is not how to build a culture to hold a country together as the prince, but how to hold on to a country through (primarily) culture as the prince.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7085|Grapevine, TX
Volvo drivers driving in their Volvo bubbles, like nothing will hurt them. pfft USE YOUR DAMN MIRRORS AND SIGNALS! and for the love of god look around every once in awhile!


Spoiler (highlight to read):
I swear there is noting more sinister than and asian woman driving a Volvo.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6857|132 and Bush

ACORN
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(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7085|Grapevine, TX
members requesting their threads to be closed.

Just delete the OP and it's gone...
CammRobb
Banned
+1,510|6386|Carnoustie MASSIF
When I wake up at 14.05...man that pisses me off.

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