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lowing wrote:

So where does jihad, martyrdom, and 70 virgins for blowing up women and children fit into Jesus' plan?

You have not yet seen the PBS documentary?

Born in England, ancestry from India. Now that we have that out of the way, I'm just intrigued as to what your views are on Muhammad and the stuff he did, because at the end of the day, he even fought and killed loads of Arabs too, and maybe your ancestral side was with or against him, I dunno.

Although that was about ~1380 years ago so I guess it would be impossible to know for sure.

Just trying to give ideas outside of what is normally thought. Especially for people who belong to certain religions but don't really know for sure why. Whether their ancestors were forcibly converted or not, shit like that. Puts things like religion in a whole different perspective. Especially religions based on expanding and converting like Christianity and Islam.

Mekstizzle wrote:

Just trying to give ideas outside of what is normally thought. Especially for people who belong to certain religions but don't really know for sure why.

sorry to barge in, but how exactly people can "belong to a religion" not knowing why?

Mekstizzle wrote:

Whether their ancestors were forcibly converted or not, shit like that. Puts things like religion in a whole different perspective. Especially religions based on expanding and converting like Christianity and Islam.

the hell does it matter, man? most religions had been forsibly spread at times, and it doesn't seem to bother those who follow them one bit.

Shahter wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Just trying to give ideas outside of what is normally thought. Especially for people who belong to certain religions but don't really know for sure why.

sorry to barge in, but how exactly people can "belong to a religion" not knowing why?

As in, not knowing the complete truth, most people probably just assume "that's how it is" and rarely question how their family became what it is. This goes mainly for religions like Christianity and Islam which have a history of violent conquest, but you could probably apply it to most other religions. I'm not really talking about people, I'm talking about families. If you get me. Most "people" just belong to religions because they were brought up by their parents to belong to xyz, it's upto them when they grow up to either stick to what they were told, abandon it or just delve deeper into why it was all like that in the first place.

the hell does it matter, man? most religions had been forsibly spread at times, and it doesn't seem to bother those who follow them one bit.

True, I guess. It's lame though.... It depends on what type of person you are. It would matter to some.

Do you think after saying all that shit, motherfuc-





No, I don't, and nobody ever has


What made you think I do?

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Mekstizzle wrote:

Born in England, ancestry from India.

Ok, that was not so hard, was it?

Mekstizzle wrote:

Now that we have that out of the way, I'm just intrigued as to what your views are on Muhammad and the stuff he did, because at the end of the day, he even fought and killed loads of Arabs too, and maybe your ancestral side was with or against him, I dunno.

Yemen converted to Islam when the rumor reached the area about a man in Mekka who claimed to be a prophet from God.
Abu Talib was sent by Muhammed (mpbuh), when he heard about it, to teach the people of Yemen about Islam.
No war, no killing..nothing.

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

not yet, so tell me all about how peaceful and tolerant Muhammad was cuz I am gettin getting the feeling the whole damn world might be wrong about him based on your views.

since when islamwatch.com constitutes "the whole damn world", lowing?

You are in some kinda deep ass denial if you think Islamwatch is the only place that shows just how violent and intolerant Islam is pal.

Funny thing is, I can't seem to find a any place where Islam is shown as a peace loving tolerant religion where everyone lives under Sharia Law in peace and harmony.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

since when islamwatch.com constitutes "the whole damn world", lowing?

You are in some kinda deep ass denial if you think Islamwatch is the only place that shows just how violent and intolerant Islam is pal.

Funny thing is, I can't seem to find a any place where Islam is shown as a peace loving tolerant religion where everyone lives under Sharia Law in peace and harmony.

Yes because any area that practices Islam is full of war and violence and hatred.  Lowing, someone could pick and choose stories from our own media and think that the US is some outrageously backwards culture and population - in fact, some people do.  Why pick and choose stories?  Why report and focus on the negatives instead of the positives?  Because it fits your agenda.  And the media plays right into it.  Why bother looking at Imams and Clerics and other religious leaders denouncing violence and promoting peace when you could copy/paste some quotes from Islamwatch and search one of your bookmarked "Islam is bad" websites for backup to your incredibly narrow opinion?

Because the MAN that founded that religion, his teachings and his words are universal. Are you telling me that Sharia Law is cherry picking? I am referring to ISLAMIC LAW, I am not picking and choosing shit.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

What do you know about ISLAMIC LAW?  You've already mentioned that you don't have a scholarly education in the history of religion, so I'm honestly curious what you know to be fact about the man, the myth, the legend?  You've admitted that you haven't read the Quran, so what do you really know about that?  Anyone can go to a website and pick and choose quotes/discussions they agree with, but have you done any research on your own?

I see, so now the argument is you have to be a fuckin' theologian or a scholar to have an opinion? Bullshit.

Your argument is akin to suggesting that since I have not studied law that I can not speak about it or have an opinion on its application.

I will file that argument in the same place I filed the argument that I could not have an opinion because I have never met Jesus and Muhammad personally.


My opinion is re-enforced all over the net and the media, yours is not, so how about you finally show me where I am wrong in my opinion and stop side stepping it.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

No, you are allowed to have all the opinion you want.  Feel free to believe whatever you want about anyone, anytime.  I hope you realize that it doesn't mean much. 

Instead of suggesting to me what my argument is, allow me to tell you it - you are spouting off about something you know very little about.  I honestly don't care much about your opinion of Islam so much as I care about the opinion of preeminent scholars, leaders, and everyday followers of Islam.

As for the comment about your opinion being reinforced all over the net and media, allow me a or smiley.

So rant away, maybe I'll pop in again and read what you write, maybe I won't.

Yet again you will tell me my opinion is wrong or dismiss it as invalid, yet you brinf nothing to the table to refute it. I bring the entire media and the net, current events, the Koran itself and Sharia Law, you have all of these worldly scholars yet you link me to no one that tells me Islam and Sharia Law is not violent or intolerant.

You do everything except show where the evidence is wrong. It should be so easy to do, it would seem

Last edited by lowing (2009-08-30 05:19:58)

the Koran itself

No you haven't.

Varegg wrote:

We don't doubt current events lowing, it's just that current events does not reflect what Islam really is about ... current events are a product of fanatics that twist religion to serve their purpose ... speaking generally of course.

Your mistake is to round up current events and believe that all Muslims are like that ...

NOT when what they ar doing was practiced and taught by the founder of Islam.

Now, again, instead of lip service, how about showing me how Islam, Sharia Law is in fact tolerant and non-violent.

Varegg wrote:

We don't doubt current events lowing, it's just that current events does not reflect what Islam really is about ... current events are a product of fanatics that twist religion to serve their purpose ... speaking generally of course.

Your mistake is to round up current events and believe that all Muslims are like that ...

no, you don't get it - he doesn't say they are all like that, he says they all should be like that, according to the book, he didn't read. he also thinks that to prove that religion is not violent and intolerant one needs to show it to be non-violent and tolerant.

lowing, dude, you should apply for the nobel prize - you invented new kind of logic never heard of before!