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Uzique wrote:

It's hard to objectively compare the GDP and quality-of-life in England and Ireland when our state and society is still keeping Wales and Scotland afloat...

And yes, I'm all for cutting them loose. I'm not a throwback to colonial Imperialism or haw-haw attitudes, at all. I just think if the era of empire is over, dismantled and gone, then why are we still societally and economically funding two other sovereign states that are fucked up shit creek without a paddle? I'd rather enjoy a better quality of life for my fellow Englishman than to suffer even marginally because we have to publicly fund schemes and welfare systems in Wales and Scotland.

I think you forget that it isn't all give and no take. North sea oil, which the UK and consequently England has benefited immensely from, is Scottish. Many unpleasant nuclear power plants are situated in Scotland and by all accounts Scotland is a massive net exporter of electricity to England. Scottish men and women die on foreign fields for a Queen that sits in a palace in London. I think Scotland should be independent and if I was English I too would be wondering why I partly subsidise them but your attitude is just all wrong. Lowest common denominator nationalism and racism is not exactly very becoming. As if the piece of turf you stand on somehow automatically dictates your worth. Pfft.

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Mekstizzle wrote:

It's just dumb how so many Americans can be. Yeah, despite everything Scotland has contributed towards the US, and even recently in the War on Terror. All of a sudden, because of one move, Scotland is public enemy #1 and should be suspect to a boycott. Same shit happened with France in 2003 because of Iraq. The people that are like that, the people that will shit on something else because of one move and disregard everything else that has happened in the past, those people ain't worth shit.

Like I said before, you expect that crap from children and bitches. Not grown adults. But each to his own. I'd rather Scotland secede and achieve full independence too (infact, that also goes for Wales and Northern Ireland). But not because of this move they did just now. I ain't that fuckin narrow minded to think like that

Oh well, they can go around doing their stupid shit for as long as they want. It's not even all of them anyway, just a few on the loony side of the political spectrum. I bet most Americans barely give a shit, certainly not enough to do some silly teen dramatised boycott.

The internet is a horrible representation of actual demographics. And it's a well known fact that the loony (left and right) are extremely over represented on the 'net.

This.

Kmarion wrote:

Yep.. it's barely talked about in casual conversation tbh.

That is what I would imagine to be the case.

Fuck em.

No more haggis, whiskey or bagpipes for me.

burnzz wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Fuck em.

No more haggis, whiskey or bagpipes for me.

! wait, what? whisky? you're on your own. i like scotch . . .

but do you like freedom?

Why did you quote me?

Mekstizzle wrote:

It's just dumb how so many Americans can be. Yeah, despite everything Scotland has contributed towards the US, and even recently in the War on Terror. All of a sudden, because of one move, Scotland is public enemy #1 and should be suspect to a boycott. Same shit happened with France in 2003 because of Iraq. The people that are like that, the people that will shit on something else because of one move and disregard everything else that has happened in the past, those people ain't worth shit.

Like I said before, you expect that crap from children and bitches. Not grown adults. But each to his own. I'd rather Scotland secede and achieve full independence too (infact, that also goes for Wales and Northern Ireland). But not because of this move they did just now. I ain't that fuckin narrow minded to think like that

Oh well, they can go around doing their stupid shit for as long as they want. It's not even all of them anyway, just a few on the loony side of the political spectrum. I bet most Americans barely give a shit, certainly not enough to do some silly teen dramatised boycott.

The internet is a horrible representation of actual demographics. And it's a well known fact that the loony (left and right) are extremely over represented on the 'net.

blah blah blah.  like i said.  ya'll see no issue and would even find someway to defend haji buring flags, yet this is over the top?  lol

Guys its been fun listening to you, but really as a Scot and having lived and worked abroad for many years inc America and various European and Asiatic countries and having talked to a bunch of people here in Scotland I think your missing some issues.
Scotland is a country with its own history ,culture,language and legislative history some of which may its claimed have influenced other nations over the last few hundred years .Its obviously annoying that we are able to decide on crimes committed within our Borders and on behalf of both myself and others I apologise.The Government in Scotland democratically elected by Scots clearly have no mandate to actually govern this power clearly lies elsewhere, we should obviously know our place. As for the argument that as a country we too lost people in the Bombing and indeed on a per capita basis suffered very badly, this is surely immaterial.In terms of the comments about us being subsidy junkies this is so obviously right that all the studies that have shown it to be a popular myth are clearly wrong.Indeed the comments about Glasgow are so on the mark that it seems we need to get our act together and visit Manchester or Birmingham or various other UK Cities which as we know are cultural icons.
Most Scots that I know actually admire the States though not without some reservations we visit and enjoy friendships there and a sense of a long and mutually supportive relationship, however we also enjoy a sense of what we might call the essential nature of a Nation to both form and then enact their own laws,our legal system predates the American system and for that matter most of the rest of the UK.
Right or wrong the view from here is that Americans were happy to take the financial packages offered by Libya by way of reparations, and that their anger is more about somebody actually having the balls to tell Mrs Clinton to shove it..
I bet you most Americans given an Atlas couldn't even point to Scotland much less talk about its current issues and status within Europe or dare I say it the UK. If the price of us electing a government who then abide by the law of the land, and act in a manner that is seen here as courageous and reasonable, impartial and considered is a boycott then so be it it will serve to drive a wedge between us.
For me there is a poignancy about the country that espouses the innate right of all countries to govern themselves born of the freedoms hard won in the 18th Century now telling a country that helped found it that if you don't do what we say we will make you pay,moreover the Scriptures so closely cherished do if my memory serves talk about Mercy and Compassion.
In the end the guy will be dead within a few months however we will still have troops fighting and dying abroad. American and Scottish blood will still mingle on some foreign field and for me ultimately once you remove the political and xenophobic crap that is what its surely all about ..grunts and squaddies doing it for the ideals we all ultimately have to believe in and cherish.

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Pretty sure that guy didn't intentionally kill all those Iranians--nor did the rest of the crew.

Manslaughter is also a crime, but who knows what really happened.

There is also a burden of proof for manslaughter that the referenced situation does not meet.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Or are you saying that Libyan dude "accidentally" put a bomb on that plane?

Its not really clear that he actually did anything, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, nothing was really proven close to beyond doubt.

There's far more evidence of that than there is that the crew of that ship knowingly and intentionally targeted and destroyed an Iranian airliner.

FEOS wrote:

There is also a burden of proof for manslaughter that the referenced situation does not meet.

Don't you think that an Iranian court should be allowed to determine that?
Its certainly not for you to decide.

There's far more evidence of that than there is that the crew of that ship knowingly and intentionally targeted and destroyed an Iranian airliner.

Recklessly, negligently and stupidly are also options.

Do accidents happen in your world Dil?

No such thing as an accident.

Red Forman wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

It's just dumb how so many Americans can be. Yeah, despite everything Scotland has contributed towards the US, and even recently in the War on Terror. All of a sudden, because of one move, Scotland is public enemy #1 and should be suspect to a boycott. Same shit happened with France in 2003 because of Iraq. The people that are like that, the people that will shit on something else because of one move and disregard everything else that has happened in the past, those people ain't worth shit.

Like I said before, you expect that crap from children and bitches. Not grown adults. But each to his own. I'd rather Scotland secede and achieve full independence too (infact, that also goes for Wales and Northern Ireland). But not because of this move they did just now. I ain't that fuckin narrow minded to think like that

Oh well, they can go around doing their stupid shit for as long as they want. It's not even all of them anyway, just a few on the loony side of the political spectrum. I bet most Americans barely give a shit, certainly not enough to do some silly teen dramatised boycott.

The internet is a horrible representation of actual demographics. And it's a well known fact that the loony (left and right) are extremely over represented on the 'net.

blah blah blah.  like i said.  ya'll see no issue and would even find someway to defend haji buring flags, yet this is over the top?  lol

It's over the top, because a country like Scotland has been a long time Ally and Friend of the USA. So it just doesn't make sense how such an over reaction over one incident can essentially 'ruin' everything. It's different with the haji burning flags because they've always hated the US/West for their own reasons.

That's what is pissing me off about all of that, and it ties into the way France was looked upon in the USA in 2003. It just shows how there are basically, douchebags, in the world who are out to hate and will look on any excuse to jump on the bandwagon despite whatever good things happened in the past. You get people like that on the personal level too. And they ain't worth shit when you get people like that.

Mekstizzle wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

It's just dumb how so many Americans can be. Yeah, despite everything Scotland has contributed towards the US, and even recently in the War on Terror. All of a sudden, because of one move, Scotland is public enemy #1 and should be suspect to a boycott. Same shit happened with France in 2003 because of Iraq. The people that are like that, the people that will shit on something else because of one move and disregard everything else that has happened in the past, those people ain't worth shit.

Like I said before, you expect that crap from children and bitches. Not grown adults. But each to his own. I'd rather Scotland secede and achieve full independence too (infact, that also goes for Wales and Northern Ireland). But not because of this move they did just now. I ain't that fuckin narrow minded to think like that

Oh well, they can go around doing their stupid shit for as long as they want. It's not even all of them anyway, just a few on the loony side of the political spectrum. I bet most Americans barely give a shit, certainly not enough to do some silly teen dramatised boycott.

The internet is a horrible representation of actual demographics. And it's a well known fact that the loony (left and right) are extremely over represented on the 'net.

blah blah blah.  like i said.  ya'll see no issue and would even find someway to defend haji buring flags, yet this is over the top?  lol

It's over the top, because a country like Scotland has been a long time Ally and Friend of the USA. So it just doesn't make sense how such an over reaction over one incident can essentially 'ruin' everything. It's different with the haji burning flags because they've always hated the US/West for their own reasons.

That's what is pissing me off about all of that, and it ties into the way France was looked upon in the USA in 2003. It just shows how there are basically, douchebags, in the world who are out to hate and will look on any excuse to jump on the bandwagon despite whatever good things happened in the past. You get people like that on the personal level too. And they ain't worth shit when you get people like that.

youre nuts