IG-Calibre
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+226|6981|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
An IRA victim support group is furious at a new immunity deal that will result in Libya compensating US citizens killed or injured in terrorist attacks, but not those from other jurisdictions -- such as Ireland.


The deal, passed by the US administration last week, effectively scuppers a $10bn law suit taken by British and Northern Irish victims against Libya for supplying weapons and explosives to the IRA.

Some 179 victims of IRA violence joined the class action, hoping to reach a compensation settlement with Colonel Gaddafi along the lines of the Lockerbie air disaster in Scotland.

The case was filed against Libya in America, where the law allows other nation states to be sued. But after two years going through the courts, the case hit a brick wall on Friday when the US agreed the draft immunity deal with Libya.

Under the deal, the US will lift the remaining sanctions against Libya in exchange for compensation settlements for US victims of Libyan-supported terrorist attacks.

Non-US citizens will not be able to pursue Libya, which will be immune from terror-related law suits once it settles its cases with US citizens.

Willie Fraser, of Families Acting for Innocent Relatives (FAIR) said that families of IRA victims had been "screwed" as a result of the deal. "We have been at this about six years. We tracked down the American victims to allow us to take the case in the first place," he said.

Of the 179 people who joined the class action, most were from Northern Ireland and Britain. They include Michelle Williamson, whose parents were killed in the 1993 IRA Shankill bomb, and Jim Dixon, who was injured in the IRA bombing in Enniskillen in Co Fermanagh, which killed 11 people.

They also include two Americans and their families, who are now likely to be compensated. According to Mr Fraser, one is a US naval officer who was based in Derry during the Troubles and who was caught up in a number of IRA incidents. The second is an American citizen who was injured in the IRA bomb attack on Harrods.

"They [the Americans] will now be entitled to get compensation. I don't begrudge it to them. We have been working on this for six years, to hold Colonel Gaddafi responsible. We thought at long last there was some justice in the world," he said.

Ronald Motley, of US legal firm Motley Rice, which is taking the class action, said the new act "selfishly settles some plaintiffs' claims and throws the rest of the plaintiffs to the wolves'' -- seeking to bar these victims from proceeding further with legitimate litigation against Libya.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ … 27367.html

Looks like In exchange for the money, Libya would be given immunity from any further attempts to sue it in the American courts and regain full diplomatic and economic status. which in turn would allow US oil companies to negotiate hundreds of billions of dollars worth of contracts, to drill the state's oilfields. what next?  Immunity for Osama Bin Laden? ( as suggested by Ron Motley )
Turquoise
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I'm a little confused...  are they saying that Gaddafi himself was responsible for the attacks?  How direct of a connection does he have to these terrorists? (sorry, I really don't know much about Libya)
God Save the Queen
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so now you want the US to stand up for the world's victims of terror?

Turquoise wrote:

I'm a little confused...  are they saying that Gaddafi himself was responsible for the attacks?  How direct of a connection does he have to these terrorists? (sorry, I really don't know much about Libya)
I think libyans helped train the IRA

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-08-04 15:57:46)

Turquoise
O Canada
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Why did they do that?
IG-Calibre
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+226|6981|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
Gaddafi  armed the IRA during the 80's in response to the UK allowing US Bombers to resupply in Britian to bomb Libya

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-08-04 16:02:17)

Turquoise
O Canada
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After reading more about the HIV trials and Libya's human rights record, I'd have to say Libya sounds like one fucked up place.
God Save the Queen
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qaddafi's bodyguards are made up of an all female unit that have to be virgins.  true story.
Turquoise
O Canada
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God Save the Queen wrote:

qaddafi's bodyguards are made up of an all female unit that have to be virgins.  true story.
So I take it they have a high turnover rate...   j/k
God Save the Queen
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https://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v235/hiwamy/gaddafi.jpg
https://www.foxnews.com/images/331706/0_61_122107_QaddafiGuards01.jpg
https://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/227488615_389ebd1ff0_o.jpg
https://glenniacampbell.typepad.com/silenti/images/az1a.jpg
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6644|North Carolina
That's weird...  he looks more Native American than Arabian.
JahManRed
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Sue Teddy Kennedy instead. He helped raise the money used to buy those guns. And he's got a few quid.
Spark
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CameronPoe
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Lawsuit lawschmoot. If they allowed lawsuits against Libya for IRA killings then they should allow lawsuits against the US for Israeli killings of Palestinian civilians and lawsuits against any other country that sells weapons to anyone. It's the person that fires the weapon that is ultimately culpable not the unscrupulous hawker of weaponry.
Dilbert_X
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Actually they should allow the US to be sued for allowing the IRA to raise funds in the US to buy Libyan weapons.
It's the person that fires the weapon that is ultimately culpable not the unscrupulous hawker of weaponry.
If US citizens hadn't provided the money and the US govt hadn't allowed the export of Armalites and Barretts its unlikely they would have had the weapon to fire.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-08-05 03:48:08)

Fuck Israel
JahManRed
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Actually they should allow the US to be sued for allowing the IRA to raise funds in the US to buy Libyan weapons.
It's the person that fires the weapon that is ultimately culpable not the unscrupulous hawker of weaponry.
If US citizens hadn't provided the money and the US govt hadn't allowed the export of Armalites and Barretts its unlikely they would have had the weapon to fire.
IRA money came from many sources. The majority came from the USA. But allot was raised in the Republic as well as through extortion and bank robberies. If the money hadn't come from USA they would have found it from another source. They were very resourceful. All this talk of suing the people who provided funds and guns is kind of irrelevant considering that the people who actually pulled the triggers are all out of jail free, thanks to the good Friday agreement. And they are immune to prosecution or suing.
Mekstizzle
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Turquoise wrote:

That's weird...  he looks more Native American than Arabian.
Sounds like a good conspiracy theory to me, shall I start up the conspiracy train or...?

If countries that supported terrorist groups then had to compensate the victims of said terrorist groups. Well the US (and the USSR/Russia) would be bankrupt three times over by now

Not to mention Iran, Syria and all that shit

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-08-05 04:55:06)

imortal
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Turquoise wrote:

That's weird...  he looks more Native American than Arabian.
Well, Lybia is in North Africa, not Arabia.  Wild and diverse continent, that.
IG-Calibre
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nah I think you're all missing the point here tbh.  Bush is creating a Hierarchy of victims and pissing over the "special relationship" between London and Washington.  He's saying as long as American victims are compensated for the likes of  the Lockerby and German disco bombings then fuck the likes of those victims from the Shankill & Enniskillen bombings, as long as the Americans plaintiffs are sorted then that's fine, he is putting a stop to the due process of 179 non American victims, who are entitled to seek compensation through the American legal system.
CameronPoe
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IG-Calibre wrote:

nah I think you're all missing the point here tbh.  Bush is creating a Hierarchy of victims and pissing over the "special relationship" between London and Washington.  He's saying as long as American victims are compensated for the likes of  the Lockerby and German disco bombings then fuck the likes of those victims from the Shankill & Enniskillen bombings, as long as the Americans plaintiffs are sorted then that's fine, he is putting a stop to the due process of 179 non American victims, who are entitled to seek compensation through the American legal system.
Why would UK citizens be entitled to seek compensation through the American legal system? The US doesn't have to look after the Brits.
IG-Calibre
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because that's the way the system works, they found 2 Americans that were involved in IRA bombings, the Harrods bombing and some other bombing in Derry, then attached 177 other names on as plaintiffs in the action.  Now the 2 Americans would be entitled to compensation but not the others thanks to Bush.

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-08-05 05:49:53)

M.O.A.B
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IG-Calibre wrote:

because that's the way the system works, they found 2 Americans that were involved in IRA bombings, the Harrods bombing and some other bombing in Derry, then attached 177 other names on as plaintiffs in the action.  Now the 2 Americans would be entitled to compensation but not the others thanks to Bush.
I think its up to the countries of the other nationalities to supply compensation to those people, not the US
IG-Calibre
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M.O.A.B wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

because that's the way the system works, they found 2 Americans that were involved in IRA bombings, the Harrods bombing and some other bombing in Derry, then attached 177 other names on as plaintiffs in the action.  Now the 2 Americans would be entitled to compensation but not the others thanks to Bush.
I think its up to the countries of the other nationalities to supply compensation to those people, not the US
eh? nobody is expecting the US to supply compensation, Lybia is expected to pay the compensation. America just supplied the legal mechanism and due process for victims seeking compensation from Lybia, Bush has made it that all Lybia has to compensate are the American victims.
M.O.A.B
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IG-Calibre wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

because that's the way the system works, they found 2 Americans that were involved in IRA bombings, the Harrods bombing and some other bombing in Derry, then attached 177 other names on as plaintiffs in the action.  Now the 2 Americans would be entitled to compensation but not the others thanks to Bush.
I think its up to the countries of the other nationalities to supply compensation to those people, not the US
eh? nobody is expecting the US to supply compensation, Lybia is expected to pay the compensation. America just supplied the legal mechanism and due process for victims seeking compensation from Lybia, Bush has made it that all Lybia has to compensate are the American victims.
Well then why don't the other countries supply the legal mechanism and see what happens?
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6981|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
Jesus, maybe if you actually read the post first, digest the information,then ask relevant questions?
Non-US citizens will not be able to pursue Libya, which will be immune from terror-related law suits once it settles its cases with US citizens.
Turquoise
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imortal wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

That's weird...  he looks more Native American than Arabian.
Well, Lybia is in North Africa, not Arabia.  Wild and diverse continent, that.
Qaddafi is probably Berber.

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