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The irony is gamers will finsh the game within a couple of days.

I'd say it is too fresh in people's mind...let it sink into history before releasing it.
Much like 9/11, no one has re-created the event and filmed it yet as a movie (i think)

loubot wrote:

The irony is gamers will finsh the game within a couple of days.

I'd say it is too fresh in people's mind...let it sink into history before releasing it.
Much like 9/11, no one has re-created the event and filmed it yet as a movie (i think)

theres been at least two, the one about the flight where the passengers regained control (sort of), and some one from the firefighters POV with the guy from conair in.

-MetaL* wrote:

loubot wrote:

The irony is gamers will finsh the game within a couple of days.

I'd say it is too fresh in people's mind...let it sink into history before releasing it.
Much like 9/11, no one has re-created the event and filmed it yet as a movie (i think)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469641/

FatherTed wrote:

loubot wrote:

The irony is gamers will finsh the game within a couple of days.
I'd say it is too fresh in people's mind...let it sink into history before releasing it.
Much like 9/11, no one has re-created the event and filmed it yet as a movie (i think)

theres been at least two, the one about the flight where the passengers regained control (sort of), and some one from the firefighters POV with the guy from conair in.

i thought so.....thanks

there are a lot of vietnam games on the market.  there was also a black hawk down game.  and most modern shooters today are based in middle east areas with urban fighting.  i don't see why putting that name on the game should get it pulled.

Where's the feature where you get (simulated) killed by an IED at the loading screen, before you even get to play, then your PC bursts into flames and you're immolated where you sit?

Oh, right.  It's just a game.

Any game is going to remove two major factors that separate real warfare from game warfare;

1) Fairness. In a game, there are attempts to balance the teams, declare when the shooting/match begins, and generally give both sides as much of an even chance as possible.  Real warfare.. not so much.  Real warfare, you might be dead before you ever realize you're in combat.  Real warfare isn't about fairness, it's about accomplishing your objective.  The less fair you fight, the more likely all of your people get to go home intact & alive.

2) Mortality.  Games have respawn - real life does not. In a game it's easy to go in, hero like,  guns blazing.  Now, in contrast, imagine a game where getting killed once means you are banned from using a PC for the rest of your life.  Little more cautious now, eh?

The beach landing scene in Saving Private Ryan was a little too much for some veterans of that operation.  I don't recall any WW-2 veterans groups asking to ban that movie though.  It was more along the lines of "Hey, if you were part of the Normandy landings, you might want to go grab a popcorn & soda during that scene. It's ... yeah.. "

Sucks when a scene in a movie tracks too closely with one of your memories, then your body starts reacting to the memory.  To paraphrase a line from Animal House here , "dizzy, sweating, and full of adrenalin is no way to go through a movie, son."  The spinning helicopter crash in Blackhawk Down did it for me, the first time I saw the film in a theater.  Just went outside, grabbed a smoke (or three) while I waited for the cold & rain to cool me off.

Edit: tl;dr? F U, L2R & take your Ritalin

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-04-28 10:26:33)

I don't know tbh.

i went through Operation Phantom Fury..

I can't wait for this. It sounds so cool!

nickb64 wrote:

ColCarnage wrote:

thraSK wrote:

I mean how many Vietnam games are there. Another unresolved conflict, with a lot of grey areas. In World War 2 it was relatively clear; Germans and Japanese were the bad guys

The Allies Fire Bombed Axis Cities, also America interned innocent Japanese Civilians aswell as dropped two A-bombs on Japan; but you have a problem with cluster bombs and white phosphorus wat.

Atomic Bombs saved an estimated 14 million people

Yet Noam Chomsky has provided multiple primary sources saying that the Japanese were trying to negotiate an agreement on the surrender of the entire nation's military when they were dropped. Gg.


Wish I still had Failed States so I could provide them.

rdx-fx wrote:

Where's the feature where you get (simulated) killed by an IED at the loading screen, before you even get to play, then your PC bursts into flames and you're immolated where you sit?

Oh, right.  It's just a game.

Any game is going to remove two major factors that separate real warfare from game warfare;

1) Fairness. In a game, there are attempts to balance the teams, declare when the shooting/match begins, and generally give both sides as much of an even chance as possible.  Real warfare.. not so much.  Real warfare, you might be dead before you ever realize you're in combat.  Real warfare isn't about fairness, it's about accomplishing your objective.  The less fair you fight, the more likely all of your people get to go home intact & alive.

2) Mortality.  Games have respawn - real life does not. In a game it's easy to go in, hero like,  guns blazing.  Now, in contrast, imagine a game where getting killed once means you are banned from using a PC for the rest of your life.  Little more cautious now, eh?

The beach landing scene in Saving Private Ryan was a little too much for some veterans of that operation.  I don't recall any WW-2 veterans groups asking to ban that movie though.  It was more along the lines of "Hey, if you were part of the Normandy landings, you might want to go grab a popcorn & soda during that scene. It's ... yeah.. "

Sucks when a scene in a movie tracks too closely with one of your memories, then your body starts reacting to the memory.  To paraphrase a line from Animal House here , "dizzy, sweating, and full of adrenalin is no way to go through a movie, son."  The spinning helicopter crash in Blackhawk Down did it for me, the first time I saw the film in a theater.  Just went outside, grabbed a smoke (or three) while I waited for the cold & rain to cool me off.

Edit: tl;dr? F U, L2R & take your Ritalin

man that's fucked up about the black hawk down thing, but it does amaze me how WW2 vets seemingly cope with so much in terms of the media etc.. or even alot of things in general. Or maybe it's because they part of an older generation who don't really follow modern media/hollywood/video games so it doesn't really affect them much, what you can't see or hear can't remind you, kinda like facebook and ex girlfriends........well except a thousand times worse

Anyway on topic, there's already been so many movies and theatricals and docu-dramas about the Iraqistan wars, but this video game was considered too far it seems...

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-04-28 18:21:57)

ColCarnage wrote:

thraSK wrote:

I mean how many Vietnam games are there. Another unresolved conflict, with a lot of grey areas. In World War 2 it was relatively clear; Germans and Japanese were the bad guys

The Allies Fire Bombed Axis Cities, also America interned innocent Japanese Civilians aswell as dropped two A-bombs on Japan; but you have a problem with cluster bombs and white phosphorus wat.

And Germany fire-bombed England, gassed/burned millions of civilians and Japan condoned ritual cannibalism, germ warfare, systematic rape, etc.

The US interned American civilians of Japanese descent...not Japanese civilians.

Yeah...war sucks.

Got canceled because it failed and was unrealistic.

Bradt3hleader wrote:

Got canceled because it failed and was unrealistic.

The fuck m8? As far as I know all that they'd gotten out were a bunch of screenshots.


Btw, they consulted with a whole bunch of your beloved Marines who were in the battle to try depict a series of events that were factually accurate to what happened there along with a realistic representation of the insurgent's tactics.