Iran holds enough uranium for bomb

2009-02-23 03:14:47

#51

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

PureFodder wrote:
OMG!

Japan, Germany, South Korea, Ukraine, Canada, Sweeden, Spain, Belgium, Taiwan, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, Brazil, South Africa, Hungary, Romaina, Mexico, Lithuania, Argentina, Slovenia, Netherlandsand Iran are all planning on making nukes apparently as they all have nuclear fuel.

No wait, they all just have fuel for their nuclear reactors just like they are legally allowed to have under international law.

How many of those countries are refining to weapons grade?

Oh, that's right. Just the last one you listed.

There's a minor difference.

Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why? Because this isn't about--and has never been about--electrical power...it's about becoming a nuclear power. Electrical power generation is merely a benefit.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-23 06:34:06

#52

PureFodder: Member; +225|6588

FEOS wrote:
PureFodder wrote:
OMG!

Japan, Germany, South Korea, Ukraine, Canada, Sweeden, Spain, Belgium, Taiwan, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, Brazil, South Africa, Hungary, Romaina, Mexico, Lithuania, Argentina, Slovenia, Netherlandsand Iran are all planning on making nukes apparently as they all have nuclear fuel.

No wait, they all just have fuel for their nuclear reactors just like they are legally allowed to have under international law.
How many of those countries are refining to weapons grade?

Oh, that's right. Just the last one you listed.

There's a minor difference.

Based on what exactly. Nothing in the article mentionsa anything like that.

FEOS wrote:
Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why? Because this isn't about--and has never been about--electrical power...it's about becoming a nuclear power. Electrical power generation is merely a benefit.

Or because they have little or no trust in the nuclear powers after they overthrew their democracy, installed a brutal dictator and supported a war that killed over half a million Iranians then declaring them in an 'axis of evil'.

They have gone well beyond their requirements as an NPT signatory, even suspending their perfectly legal activities at the whim of Western countries. They also support a motion to put all nuclear materials in international hands, which would effectively remove any possibility of them making nuclear weapons.

2009-02-23 16:08:05

#53

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

PureFodder wrote:
FEOS wrote:
PureFodder wrote:
OMG!

Japan, Germany, South Korea, Ukraine, Canada, Sweeden, Spain, Belgium, Taiwan, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, Brazil, South Africa, Hungary, Romaina, Mexico, Lithuania, Argentina, Slovenia, Netherlandsand Iran are all planning on making nukes apparently as they all have nuclear fuel.

No wait, they all just have fuel for their nuclear reactors just like they are legally allowed to have under international law.
How many of those countries are refining to weapons grade?

Oh, that's right. Just the last one you listed.

There's a minor difference.
Based on what exactly. Nothing in the article mentionsa anything like that.

So if it's not in that article, it doesn't exist? Have you been living under a rock for the past five or so years?

PureFodder wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why? Because this isn't about--and has never been about--electrical power...it's about becoming a nuclear power. Electrical power generation is merely a benefit.
Or because they have little or no trust in the nuclear powers after they overthrew their democracy, installed a brutal dictator and supported a war that killed over half a million Iranians then declaring them in an 'axis of evil'.

They have gone well beyond their requirements as an NPT signatory, even suspending their perfectly legal activities at the whim of Western countries. They also support a motion to put all nuclear materials in international hands, which would effectively remove any possibility of them making nuclear weapons.

So one nuclear power does those things, and suddenly it's (implied) "all nuclear powers". If they were serious about putting all nuclear material in international hands (let's give the UN THAT job, shall we?), then they would've agreed to international assistance in building their nuclear capability...but they refused.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-23 18:20:44

#54

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

Dilbert_X wrote:
Mek wrote:
I think what's dodgy with Iran is that they're going for weapons-grade enriched Uranium
Who says they are going for weapons grade uranium?

...common sense

2009-02-23 22:40:25

#55

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
So if it's not in that article, it doesn't exist? Have you been living under a rock for the past five or so years?

Where is the evidence that it does? Facts not emotion plz.

Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why?

Same reasons everyone else wants their own nuclear program.

Security of energy supply
Moving up the value chain
So they can sell more of their oil
Ability to make bombs if they want to - as everyone else is apparently entitled to do except them.

If Israel can have nuclear energy and keep a nuclear arsenal there is no reason why Iran shouldn't, Iran more so really.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-02-23 22:42:00)

Fuck Israel

2009-02-24 00:46:18

#56

PureFodder: Member; +225|6588

FEOS wrote:
PureFodder wrote:
FEOS wrote:
How many of those countries are refining to weapons grade?

Oh, that's right. Just the last one you listed.

There's a minor difference.
Based on what exactly. Nothing in the article mentionsa anything like that.
So if it's not in that article, it doesn't exist? Have you been living under a rock for the past five or so years?

Ther never has been any evidence that Iran is making weapons grade material. You will not find any evidence if you look, it's all based upon the fact that Iran, like most nuclear power using states COULD turn it into weapons grade material if they realy wanted to.

FEOS wrote:
PureFodder wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why? Because this isn't about--and has never been about--electrical power...it's about becoming a nuclear power. Electrical power generation is merely a benefit.
Or because they have little or no trust in the nuclear powers after they overthrew their democracy, installed a brutal dictator and supported a war that killed over half a million Iranians then declaring them in an 'axis of evil'.

They have gone well beyond their requirements as an NPT signatory, even suspending their perfectly legal activities at the whim of Western countries. They also support a motion to put all nuclear materials in international hands, which would effectively remove any possibility of them making nuclear weapons.
So one nuclear power does those things, and suddenly it's (implied) "all nuclear powers". If they were serious about putting all nuclear material in international hands (let's give the UN THAT job, shall we?), then they would've agreed to international assistance in building their nuclear capability...but they refused.

There's a big difference between international help (from the US/Europe) and the proposed idea which would put all fissile material in completely international hands in which Asia/Africa and S.America tend to dominate due to far greater populaces. They'd unsurprisingly have way more trust in them than us.

2009-02-24 03:09:10

#57

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
So if it's not in that article, it doesn't exist? Have you been living under a rock for the past five or so years?
Where is the evidence that it does? Facts not emotion plz.

That's rich.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ … 49,00.html

Iran announced last week that it intends to activate a uranium conversion facility near Isfahan (under IAEA safeguards), a step that produces the uranium hexafluoride gas used in the enrichment process. Sources tell Time the IAEA has concluded that Iran actually introduced uranium hexafluoride gas into some centrifuges at an undisclosed location to test their ability to work. That would be a blatant violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to which Iran is a signatory.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 27072.html

But the IAEA director general, Mohamed ElBaradei, warned in the report that Iran was refusing to allow UN weapons inspectors into a heavy water plant that could be used for a plutonium route towards a nuclear bomb, and was stalling IAEA investigators looking into intelligence allegations of past covert atom bomb work.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8830/#1

Iranian officials claim they are pursuing nuclear technology for peaceful civilian purposes only, such as generating electricity. But most international proliferation experts suspect the fundamentalist Muslim theocracy is using its nuclear program to enrich uranium to higher levels than necessary for civilian nuclear-energy production and secretly trying to manufacture nuclear weapons.
.......
Under Article IV of the NPT, which Iran ratified in 1968, a country can develop its nuclear-power capacity under a legal civilian program. Then the country could give ninety days’ notice that it intends to drop out of the NPT, convert its civilian nuclear program to a nuclear-weapons program, and declare itself a nuclear-armed power.
......
The facilities that were previously undisclosed or host suspect activities include:

* Isfahan. The uranium-conversion facility at Isfahan in central Iran is capable of converting yellowcake into uranium hexafluoride (UF-6), a gas used in centrifuges to produce weapons-grade uranium. In May, Iran revealed for the first time that it had used the Isfahan facility to convert thirty-seven tons of yellowcake into the gas uranium tetrafluoride (UF-4), a precursor to UF-6.
* Natanz. Many experts suspect the UF-6 produced at Isfahan is taken to an enrichment facility at Natanz in central Iran, which was secret until Iranian dissidents revealed its existence in August 2002. There the gas is enriched—by being spun in high-speed centrifuges—to the relatively low level required to fuel electricity-generating power plants or to the higher level needed for nuclear bombs.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/02/ … index.html

In the IAEA report, the agency also says no substantive progress has been made in resolving issues about possible "military dimensions" to Iran's nuclear program.

http://fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/nuke/

IAEA deputy director for safeguards Pierre Goldschmidt reported in June 2005 that Iran had admitted to separating out small amounts of plutonium as recently as 1998.
.....
It is generally believed that Iran's efforts are focused on uranium enrichment, though there are some indications of work on a parallel plutonium effort. Iran claims it is trying to establish a complete nuclear fuel cycle to support a civilian energy program, but this same fuel cycle would be applicable to a nuclear weapons development program. Iran appears to have spread their nuclear activities around a number of sites to reduce the risk of detection or attack.

I could go on...there's much more.

Is there a "smoking gun"? Of course not. Just rhetoric from Iran, uncertainty from IAEA, intel reports from multiple countries, etc. But I'm sure you would say "that's all OK...Iran has a right to nuclear weapons because Israel has them". But then there's that pesky NPT that Iran is a signatory of.

Dilbert_X wrote:
Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why?
Same reasons everyone else wants their own nuclear program.

Security of energy supply
Moving up the value chain
So they can sell more of their oil

And they can do all of that with international involvement/assistance in getting a purely civil program up and running. But they refuse. If it was only about Iranian domestic electrical power generation, they would have no reason to refuse international assistance. They could achieve all three of those objectives without subterfuge.

Dilbert_X wrote:
Ability to make bombs if they want to - as everyone else is apparently entitled to do except them.

They signed the NPT. They took themselves out of that gene pool.

Dilbert_X wrote:
If Israel can have nuclear energy and keep a nuclear arsenal there is no reason why Iran shouldn't, Iran more so really.

Iran signed and ratified the NPT. So, no...they can't. Unless they withdraw from the NPT.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-24 03:10:42

#58

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6978|Canberra, AUS

FEOS wrote:
PureFodder wrote:
OMG!

Japan, Germany, South Korea, Ukraine, Canada, Sweeden, Spain, Belgium, Taiwan, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, Brazil, South Africa, Hungary, Romaina, Mexico, Lithuania, Argentina, Slovenia, Netherlandsand Iran are all planning on making nukes apparently as they all have nuclear fuel.

No wait, they all just have fuel for their nuclear reactors just like they are legally allowed to have under international law.
How many of those countries are refining to weapons grade?

Oh, that's right. Just the last one you listed.

There's a minor difference.

Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why? Because this isn't about--and has never been about--electrical power...it's about becoming a nuclear power. Electrical power generation is merely a benefit.

Weapons grade, I would have thought though, is still a fair way off for Iran. What is it, 95-99% U235 from 10% (which is what I think they currently have)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2009-02-24 03:21:30

#59

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Spark wrote:
FEOS wrote:
PureFodder wrote:
OMG!

Japan, Germany, South Korea, Ukraine, Canada, Sweeden, Spain, Belgium, Taiwan, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, Brazil, South Africa, Hungary, Romaina, Mexico, Lithuania, Argentina, Slovenia, Netherlandsand Iran are all planning on making nukes apparently as they all have nuclear fuel.

No wait, they all just have fuel for their nuclear reactors just like they are legally allowed to have under international law.
How many of those countries are refining to weapons grade?

Oh, that's right. Just the last one you listed.

There's a minor difference.

Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why? Because this isn't about--and has never been about--electrical power...it's about becoming a nuclear power. Electrical power generation is merely a benefit.
Weapons grade, I would have thought though, is still a fair way off for Iran. What is it, 95-99% U235 from 10% (which is what I think they currently have)

Actually, anything above like 10% is considered weapons grade, but 90% is the general accepted standard.

They have found traces of weapons-grade (90%) on the centrifuges, but Iran claims "it was like that when we bought it".

The issue is that it's only a matter of time. The technology is no different.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-24 03:52:45

#60

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
Lots of links which don't prove anything other than Uranium enrichment to normal fuel levels

Still waiting for that weapons grade stuff.

And they can do all of that with international involvement/assistance in getting a purely civil program up and running. But they refuse.

They were cooperating with the IAEA and following the NPT until the US started telling them they weren't allowed to process their own fuel - which they are entitled to do under the NPT.
If they play by the rules and still aren't allowed what they are entitled to why should they cooperate further?

Iran signed and ratified the NPT. So, no...they can't. Unless they withdraw from the NPT.

Which they are free to do, just like Israel - which never even signed it and still gets a free pass.

FEOS wrote:
hey have found traces of weapons-grade (90%) on the centrifuges, but Iran claims "it was like that when we bought it".

Source plz.

Fuck Israel

2009-02-24 17:10:54

#61

Narupug: Fodder Mostly; +150|5900|Vacationland

My Iranian, he calls himself Persian, friend says that alot of this stuff about how Iran has weapons grade uranium or they're building nukes is just war mongering by Western nations so they can have an excuse to get at Iran's oil. Just like what happened with Iraq, we're likely to get in their and go oops "This isn't what we thought it was, we thought they were a threat." as they scratch their heads.

2009-02-24 19:15:00

#62

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Lots of links which don't prove anything other than Uranium enrichment to normal fuel levels
Still waiting for that weapons grade stuff.

Nobody said they had refined weapons grade thus far...even though the IAEA did find weapons-grade residue on their centrifuges.

Dilbert_X wrote:
And they can do all of that with international involvement/assistance in getting a purely civil program up and running. But they refuse.
They were cooperating with the IAEA and following the NPT until the US started telling them they weren't allowed to process their own fuel - which they are entitled to do under the NPT.
If they play by the rules and still aren't allowed what they are entitled to why should they cooperate further?

Someone needs to read a bit more. They haven't been fully cooperative with the IAEA from the beginning. They didn't even acknowledge their Natanz facility until there was irrefutable proof offered by the world community. And they still prevent IAEA inspectors from inspecting all of their facilities.

Dilbert_X wrote:
Iran signed and ratified the NPT. So, no...they can't. Unless they withdraw from the NPT.
Which they are free to do, just like Israel - which never even signed it and still gets a free pass.

Of course they're free to do that. If they did, they wouldn't be out of compliance with it, would they?

Israel gets a free pass WRT the NPT because they are not a signatory. If they were, they wouldn't. Your logic is completely ass-backwards.

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
hey have found traces of weapons-grade (90%) on the centrifuges, but Iran claims "it was like that when we bought it".
Source plz.

Already provided. Try reading the linked articles.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-24 19:16:21

#63

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Narupug wrote:
My Iranian, he calls himself Persian, friend says that alot of this stuff about how Iran has weapons grade uranium or they're building nukes is just war mongering by Western nations so they can have an excuse to get at Iran's oil. Just like what happened with Iraq, we're likely to get in their and go oops "This isn't what we thought it was, we thought they were a threat." as they scratch their heads.

Ah. Because we got to all that Iraqi oil, didn't we? That rhetoric is just as flawed as Western rhetoric.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-24 23:16:03

#64

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
Nobody said they had refined weapons grade thus far...even though the IAEA did find weapons-grade residue on their centrifuges.

Correct, you said they were planning to, still waiting for some evidence. It all points the other way so far.

Israel gets a free pass WRT the NPT because they are not a signatory.

They have nuclear weapons and nuclear facilities outside the jurisdiction of the NPT, the US would be going apeshit if it were a muslim country.

Already provided. Try reading the linked articles.

You provide the link again.

Fuck Israel

2009-02-24 23:34:49

#65

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6904|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:
Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why? Because this isn't about--and has never been about--electrical power...it's about becoming a nuclear power. Electrical power generation is merely a benefit.

I honestly thought that most of those promoting a nuclear Iran had already acknowledged that and had shifted arguments. The argument of everyone should be allowed nuclear weapons.

Btw, what happened to the constant predictions of a George Bush led invasion into Iran? K.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-02-25 00:37:57

#66

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6894

Kmarion wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Iran has been offered international assistance in getting a power-grade program up and running. They have refused. Why? Because this isn't about--and has never been about--electrical power...it's about becoming a nuclear power. Electrical power generation is merely a benefit.
I honestly thought that most of those promoting a nuclear Iran had already acknowledged that and had shifted arguments. The argument of everyone should be allowed nuclear weapons.

Btw, what happened to the constant predictions of a George Bush led invasion into Iran? K.

There is a power vacuum in the middle east. Iran wants to take the place as the power-broker in the region. Iran was fighting with Saddam's Iraq over this very issue.

Amusingly enough, Iran is pulling the same shell-game that got Iraq into trouble; Talk like they're developing WMDs out of one corner of their mouth, and claim it is all for peaceful purposes out of the other corner of their mouth. To not admit that much, is either naivety or worse - regardless of what Iran does or doesn't have currently.
*
Hint: Satellite launching missile and ICBM, or Nuclear Energy and Nuclear Weapon - the technical knowledge & research needed is 95% the same. The difference is in how the politicians decide to use it that week.
*
Hint: Look at the type of reactors Iran wants to build. There are ones that are definitely for making weapons materials, ones that are dual-purpose 'maybe, kinda, possibly', and ones that are 'no, not in 100 years' reactors.
For an overview of a too-obvious attempt at building a weapons-grade plutonium manufacturing chain, read up on Iraq's Osirak reactor, especially the bit about "French gas-graphite plutonium producing reactor and a reprocessing plant". That's the place that was bombed by Israel, Iran, and the USA, at various times.

Saudi Arabia is Saudi Arabia. They are their own unique, powerful but fragile ... entity. They are not going to play the role of regional 'kingmaker' in the public eye.
Pakistan is going to hell in a handbasket, with a quickness. They are down, if not out.
Iraq is not going to be a regional powerbroker for the forseeable future.
Kuwait, Jordan, Quatar, Syria, Yemen, Oman, etc, etc, etc.. are all 2nd (& 3rd) tier players in the region.

In chess terms, we're in the mid-game. What the end-game board is going to look like, only an expert player can tell now (and I am not one, obviously).
Where we're at now, and where we'll be in 20 years - is a straight line, if you know how to connect the dots. Wish I did. Hope to be around in 20 years to say "oh, that's what that meant".
Regardless of what the chessboard (middle east) looks like, it matters more who's actually standing around the table watching the game and who the players are. USA is obviously one of the players - but are we playing against China, Russia, House of Saud, or someone else?
(Would be supremely tricky if we were playing solitaire, now, wouldn't it? After all, we did make Osama in the '70's... But there lies the land of tinfoil, jiffy pop, and Art Bell).

2009-02-25 01:29:48

#67

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

Btw, what happened to the constant predictions of a George Bush led invasion into Iran? K.

The USA ran out of money and troops IIRC, that and the Iraq invasion turned out to be based on a pile of lies. If he'd done that twice reckon he could have been hanged.

There is a power vacuum in the middle east.

Think you'll find Israel is currently the major military power in the ME, with their 200 nukes and a modern military provided FOC by the US.

Iran wants to take the place as the power-broker in the region.

Or maybe they just want parity to achieve detente and therefore peace, Israel wouldn't be able to keep threatening them, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon etc.
Or maybe they just want electricity for their country.

Fuck Israel

2009-02-25 01:45:16

#68

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7019

Dilbert_X wrote:
Btw, what happened to the constant predictions of a George Bush led invasion into Iran? K.
The USA ran out of money and troops IIRC, that and the Iraq invasion turned out to be based on a pile of lies. If he'd done that twice reckon he could have been hanged.
There is a power vacuum in the middle east.
Think you'll find Israel is currently the major military power in the ME, with their 200 nukes and a modern military provided FOC by the US.
Iran wants to take the place as the power-broker in the region.
Or maybe they just want parity to achieve detente and therefore peace, Israel wouldn't be able to keep threatening them, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon etc.
Or maybe they just want electricity for their country.

Israel is threatening Iran? Didn't know that...

Love is the answer

2009-02-25 01:48:48

#69

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Dilbert_X wrote:
Btw, what happened to the constant predictions of a George Bush led invasion into Iran? K.
The USA ran out of money and troops IIRC, that and the Iraq invasion turned out to be based on a pile of lies. If he'd done that twice reckon he could have been hanged.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-02-25 01:57:36

#70

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6894

Dilbert_X, that's you in the video (as your tag line could say)

Kmarion, you can pick which of the Yard character you feel most applies to you.

Dilbert_X wrote:
Israel is currently the major military power in the ME

Is a world of difference from my "Iran wants to take the place as the power-broker in the region".

The Arabic/Muslim/Middle-Eastern/whatever faction isn't going to be looking to Israel for leadership and direction.
Big difference between power broker and perennial whipping post

2009-02-25 02:12:40

#71

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

Is a world of difference from my "Iran wants to take the place as the power-broker in the region".

Which is also different from "There is a power vacuum in the middle east."

Fuck Israel

2009-02-25 16:42:09

#72

Narupug: Fodder Mostly; +150|5900|Vacationland

FEOS wrote:
Narupug wrote:
My Iranian, he calls himself Persian, friend says that alot of this stuff about how Iran has weapons grade uranium or they're building nukes is just war mongering by Western nations so they can have an excuse to get at Iran's oil. Just like what happened with Iraq, we're likely to get in their and go oops "This isn't what we thought it was, we thought they were a threat." as they scratch their heads.
Ah. Because we got to all that Iraqi oil, didn't we? That rhetoric is just as flawed as Western rhetoric.

Well I think you can agree that one of the reasons we went in their was for the oil, or are you from the Land of Bush?

2009-02-25 17:15:28

#73

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Nobody said they had refined weapons grade thus far...even though the IAEA did find weapons-grade residue on their centrifuges.
Correct, you said they were planning to, still waiting for some evidence. It all points the other way so far.

Actually, it doesn't. If Iran were being completely cooperative with the IAEA, you're point would be valid. They're not. It's not.

Dilbert_X wrote:
Israel gets a free pass WRT the NPT because they are not a signatory.
They have nuclear weapons and nuclear facilities outside the jurisdiction of the NPT, the US would be going apeshit if it were a muslim country.

Like we have with Pakistan? Oh wai-

Israel hasn't signed the NPT. There are no lawful constraints on their nuclear program. Iran has signed the NPT. There are lawful constraints on their nuclear program, which they have violated.

Dilbert_X wrote:
Already provided. Try reading the linked articles.
You provide the link again.

I'm not going to enable your intellectual laziness.

Narupug wrote:
Well I think you can agree that one of the reasons we went in their was for the oil, or are you from the Land of Bush?

No, I don't agree. And I'm not from the land of Bush...nor am I from the land of Moore.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-25 17:45:11

#74

Narupug: Fodder Mostly; +150|5900|Vacationland

FEOS wrote:
Narupug wrote:
Well I think you can agree that one of the reasons we went in their was for the oil, or are you from the Land of Bush?
No, I don't agree. And I'm not from the land of Bush...nor am I from the land of Moore.

Ok then what reason do you believe there was, if it's WMDs then I feel sorry for you. My friend is just trying to say that all this hype about Iran trying to make nukes is utter BS

2009-02-25 17:47:34

#75

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Narupug wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Narupug wrote:
Well I think you can agree that one of the reasons we went in their was for the oil, or are you from the Land of Bush?
No, I don't agree. And I'm not from the land of Bush...nor am I from the land of Moore.
Ok then what reason do you believe there was, if it's WMDs then I feel sorry for you. My friend is just trying to say that all this hype about Iran trying to make nukes is utter BS

I'd say I've got a damn sight better understanding of what it was about than you. If you think you know what it was about, then I feel sorry for you...because you clearly don't.

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