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Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

So you don't think it's important to recognize your previous failures? Repeating the same mistakes is the problem. Acknowledging them is an important step towards understanding. It only reminds us of where we came from and how we got here. That is a purpose of history books. Pretending like something never existed is not very realistic.

You are still focused on Obama the individual. I am talking about the generations of Americans who have seen and been through much more than you. They are the ones who have had a fundamental shift. You .. ntsomuch.

Yeah, recognize. Not repeat by overcompensation.

Fundamental shift my ass. A new generation with reasonable perceptions perhaps, but my grandmother is still as racist as ever. If you think the racists of the 50s and 60s voted for Obama, you've seen too many Disney movies.

I'll leave the Disney movies to you. Yes I do think they voted on merits other than skin color. Senior citizens are the most active demographic among voters. They show up to man the polls ffs. You don't get result like that without getting their votes as well. Are there some like your racist grandmother? Sure. Are they dominating our democracy? No. The younger population is less willing to accept those racist ideas. Traditionally they were passed down from generation to generation. That is also part of the shift.

All I ever said was recognize.

Hooray, we're generations behind Europe in catching up, let's celebrate!

Also, a few black girls were standing around at school today, then one said "Obama!" while giving the black power salute, and that's in fucking suburban Texas. It's not just white people accepting minorities.

God Save the Queen wrote:

and I have yet to witness any of that around me.

How much do you really get out?

In all fairness you do see a very broad spectrum of people in a high school of 2700. Still, just because I haven't met a Klansman doesn't mean they don't exist. lol triple negative

isn't The black power salute a sign defiance against oppression.  I don't align it with the sieg heil salute.

m3thod wrote:

isn't The black power salute a sign defiance against oppression.  I don't align it with the sieg heil salute.

1968 Olympics

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

and I have yet to witness any of that around me.

How much do you really get out?

In all fairness you do see a very broad spectrum of people in a high school of 2700. Still, just because I haven't met a Klansman doesn't mean they don't exist. lol triple negative

Im a full time+ student in a very diverse JC.  I dont have to tell you which candidate most young people are for.    Not only that, but my next door neighbor is the only white person on my street.  I live in a majority black neighborhood. 


How often do you go out?

m3thod wrote:

It's a shame your countryman was fucked in the ass just for being there.  Read about him the other day.

Yeah, I've seen him interviewed a number of times, and he has said that he was proud to have been there.

"The white guy in the picture, the third proud person, is Australian Peter Norman. He knew the African-American athletes, John Carlos and Tommie Smith, were planning to give the black-power salute during the ceremony and supported them by wearing a badge for the Olympic Project for Human Rights. He also suggested to them that they share their one pair of black gloves, which is why Smith has his left arm raised and Carlos his right. Norman died last year, and Smith and Carlos came to Australia to be his pall-bearers. They were quoted as saying that Norman deserved to be more famous that Steve Irwin."

Great piece of history that is sadly often forgotten.

Hardly what I would call a terrorist salute, flaming maniac.

God Save the Queen wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

and I have yet to witness any of that around me.

How much do you really get out?

In all fairness you do see a very broad spectrum of people in a high school of 2700. Still, just because I haven't met a Klansman doesn't mean they don't exist. lol triple negative

Im a full time+ student in a very diverse JC.  I dont have to tell you which candidate most young people are for.    Not only that, but my next door neighbor is the only white person on my street.  I live in a majority black neighborhood. 


How often do you go out?

What is your point? Do you ever go to places where people actually express themselves? Demonstrations at colleges, party with all those black people on your street, anything like that? Surely most of them would never do something like that, but it doesn't count if you just happen to know you live in close proximity to a bunch of minorities.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I'll leave the Disney movies to you. Yes I do think they voted on merits other than skin color. Senior citizens are the most active demographic among voters. They show up to man the polls ffs. You don't get result like that without getting their votes as well. Are there some like your racist grandmother? Sure. Are they dominating our democracy? No. The younger population is less willing to accept those racist ideas. Traditionally they were passed down from generation to generation. That is also part of the shift.

All I ever said was recognize.

Hooray, we're generations behind Europe in catching up, let's celebrate!

Also, a few black girls were standing around at school today, then one said "Obama!" while giving the black power salute, and that's in fucking suburban Texas. It's not just white people accepting minorities.

Really? How do you figure? I'm still waiting on that long list of racial minorities currently running European countries.

Your schoolyard adventures: Who the hell said it was?

Why are you fixated on a list of minorities running countries? I said equality is the status quo. If people are truly equal in the eyes of all as far as race is concerned, race is not a factor in elections or in the analysis of elections. It doesn't mean they must have a minority leading them, it only means they very well could have a minority leading them. Where do you think a black man had a better chance of being elected in 1900?

Your repeated insistence that blacks have been persecuted in this country in the past, and therefore electing a black president is a historic moment. If a large number of the people who voted for him voted because of his race, how is that any better? Might as well say McCain lost because he is white.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

How much do you really get out?

In all fairness you do see a very broad spectrum of people in a high school of 2700. Still, just because I haven't met a Klansman doesn't mean they don't exist. lol triple negative

Im a full time+ student in a very diverse JC.  I dont have to tell you which candidate most young people are for.    Not only that, but my next door neighbor is the only white person on my street.  I live in a majority black neighborhood. 


How often do you go out?

What is your point? Do you ever go to places where people actually express themselves? Demonstrations at colleges, party with all those black people on your street, anything like that? Surely most of them would never do something like that, but it doesn't count if you just happen to know you live in close proximity to a bunch of minorities.

Every day for the last week there was some kind of protest at the JC ( Junior COLLEGE) that im at 5 days a week. Sorry cheif, im around this shit all the time. I havent seen any sign of "black power"

I think I might be around "a bunch of minorities" a bit more than you, I mean since youre already making assumptions about what i do with my time, why cant i make assumptions about you?

Dude, ive had my door knocked on at least every 4 or 5 days by someone trying tell me something about the election

BTW, my JR COLLEGE Has 31,000 students enrolled on campus.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-11-05 17:03:59)

God Save the Queen wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Im a full time+ student in a very diverse JC.  I dont have to tell you which candidate most young people are for.    Not only that, but my next door neighbor is the only white person on my street.  I live in a majority black neighborhood. 


How often do you go out?

What is your point? Do you ever go to places where people actually express themselves? Demonstrations at colleges, party with all those black people on your street, anything like that? Surely most of them would never do something like that, but it doesn't count if you just happen to know you live in close proximity to a bunch of minorities.

Every day for the last week there was some kind of protest at the JC ( Junior COLLEGE) that im at 5 days a week. Sorry cheif, im around this shit all the time. I havent seen any sign of "black power"

I think I might be around "a bunch of minorities" a bit more than you, I mean since youre already making assumptions about what i do with my time, why cant i make assumptions about you?

Dude, ive had my door knocked on at least every 4 or 5 days by someone trying tell me something about the election

BTW, my JR COLLEGE Has 31,000 students enrolled on campus.

k

This doesn't change the fact of what I saw. There are douchebags out there, and you shouldn't think they're a fairy tale because you are at the most rational college on the face of the planet. Seriously, they're there.

Kmarion wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

m3thod wrote:

It's a shame your countryman was fucked in the ass just for being there.  Read about him the other day.

Yeah, I've seen him interviewed a number of times, and he has said that he was proud to have been there.

"The white guy in the picture, the third proud person, is Australian Peter Norman. He knew the African-American athletes, John Carlos and Tommie Smith, were planning to give the black-power salute during the ceremony and supported them by wearing a badge for the Olympic Project for Human Rights. He also suggested to them that they share their one pair of black gloves, which is why Smith has his left arm raised and Carlos his right. Norman died last year, and Smith and Carlos came to Australia to be his pall-bearers. They were quoted as saying that Norman deserved to be more famous that Steve Irwin."

Great piece of history that is sadly often forgotten.

Hardly what I would call a terrorist salute, flaming maniac.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=106076 I'll bring it up in another three months.. just to irritate FM.

Bring it up all you want ya racist. It's certainly not helping the problem.

God Save the Queen wrote:

most rational college on the face of the planet? gimme a break dude.

My point exactly. There is no way your college is exempt from bigotry, you just happen to have avoided it apparently.

God Save the Queen wrote:

no dick.  dont be an asshole in your response.  thats what I meant.  Lots of shit happens on campus, I just think maybe youre in a fucked up area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plano,_Texas wrote:

In 2005, Plano was designated the best place to live in the Western United States by CNN Money magazine. In 2006, Plano was selected as the 11th best place to live in the United States by CNN Money magazine.[3] In addition to its many industries and good-quality living, Plano has excellent schools that consistently score in the top few percent of the nation, and has been rated as the wealthiest city in the United States by CNN Money [2]with a poverty rate of under 6.4%, and a median income for a family was $106,335. In 2008, Forbes.com selected Plano along with University Park and Highland Park as the three "Top Suburbs To Live Well" of Dallas.[4] Plano was also declared "Most Affluent City" in 2008 by the United States Census Bureau.

The racial makeup of the city was 78.26% White, 5.02% Black, 0.36% Native American, 10.18% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.86% from other races, and 2.28% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 10.07% of the population.

and it's a black girl giving the black power symbol. Clearly a fucked up area.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

no dick.  dont be an asshole in your response.  thats what I meant.  Lots of shit happens on campus, I just think maybe youre in a fucked up area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plano,_Texas wrote:

In 2005, Plano was designated the best place to live in the Western United States by CNN Money magazine. In 2006, Plano was selected as the 11th best place to live in the United States by CNN Money magazine.[3] In addition to its many industries and good-quality living, Plano has excellent schools that consistently score in the top few percent of the nation, and has been rated as the wealthiest city in the United States by CNN Money [2]with a poverty rate of under 6.4%, and a median income for a family was $106,335. In 2008, Forbes.com selected Plano along with University Park and Highland Park as the three "Top Suburbs To Live Well" of Dallas.[4] Plano was also declared "Most Affluent City" in 2008 by the United States Census Bureau.

The racial makeup of the city was 78.26% White, 5.02% Black, 0.36% Native American, 10.18% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.86% from other races, and 2.28% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 10.07% of the population.

and it's a black girl giving the black power symbol. Clearly a fucked up area.

well more Black people live in my area than yours. Im out and about in my area daily. I live in a predominantly African American neighborhood. The racial make up of my school is quite diverse .


I have a larger sample group than you do. Ive yet to see a black power salute.  I think my perspective is a more accurate gauge of the african american community than yours.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Why are you fixated on a list of minorities running countries? I said equality is the status quo. If people are truly equal in the eyes of all as far as race is concerned, race is not a factor in elections or in the analysis of elections. It doesn't mean they must have a minority leading them, it only means they very well could have a minority leading them. Where do you think a black man had a better chance of being elected in 1900?

Your repeated insistence that blacks have been persecuted in this country in the past, and therefore electing a black president is a historic moment. If a large number of the people who voted for him voted because of his race, how is that any better? Might as well say McCain lost because he is white.

Kmarion wrote:

I've told you over and over that this isn't the reason I feel he was elected. You just don't get that though.

Are you choosing to ignore what I am saying or is it just coming naturally?

The election was the ultimate benchmark. One that many have yet to achieve in a couple thousand years of history. You keep pushing this notion that we are playing catchup when nothing could be further from the truth. It's not even comparable. No other single country has had diversity forced upon them in such a brief amount of time.

I was making the point that they did not vote for him because of his race. Whereas that used to be the most important factor.

I am answering both your questions implicitly. A quick summary:

- The election was clearly influenced by race, bot h by whites not voting for him and blacks voting for him because of his race. Whether or not he was actually elected is irrelevant, because the mere fact that it was influenced means racism is not dead. Unless you can prove he would have won unquestioningly had race been a null issue (which you can't) McCain might as well have won for purposes of declaring racism dead.

- Even if the election proves we have made great strides, making a thread about it has about as much class as a tabloid. You are still celebrating levels of melanin in the epidermis. Celebrate the man, not the race.

Now try to keep up k?

You are seriously straining to find the bright side. Hey it's k that we were one of the last Western nations to really get rid of segregation, because look at the strides we have made in such a short time! Conveniently omitting the fact that so many other nations have been where we are so happy to be for nearly hundreds of years. We should be embarrassed it took so long, not happy we managed to finally get our shit together quickly.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Bring it up all you want ya racist. It's certainly not helping the problem.

No but your grandmother is.

The grandmother was rhetoric by the way. Both my grandmothers are dead.

God Save the Queen wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

no dick.  dont be an asshole in your response.  thats what I meant.  Lots of shit happens on campus, I just think maybe youre in a fucked up area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plano,_Texas wrote:

In 2005, Plano was designated the best place to live in the Western United States by CNN Money magazine. In 2006, Plano was selected as the 11th best place to live in the United States by CNN Money magazine.[3] In addition to its many industries and good-quality living, Plano has excellent schools that consistently score in the top few percent of the nation, and has been rated as the wealthiest city in the United States by CNN Money [2]with a poverty rate of under 6.4%, and a median income for a family was $106,335. In 2008, Forbes.com selected Plano along with University Park and Highland Park as the three "Top Suburbs To Live Well" of Dallas.[4] Plano was also declared "Most Affluent City" in 2008 by the United States Census Bureau.

The racial makeup of the city was 78.26% White, 5.02% Black, 0.36% Native American, 10.18% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.86% from other races, and 2.28% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 10.07% of the population.

and it's a black girl giving the black power symbol. Clearly a fucked up area.

well more Black people live in my area than yours. Im out and about in my area daily. I live in a predominantly African American neighborhood. The racial make up of my school is quite diverse .


I have a larger sample group than you do. Ive yet to see a black power salute.  I think my perspective is a more accurate gauge of the african american community than yours.

I don't really care if .01% of the black population holds those beliefs, there are still racists. Even if I did just happen to have a bad experience, it doesn't make the problem any less real.