Braddock
Agitator
+916|6596|Éire
Hang on a minute, you're saying black people might vote for him just because he is black... well, there are plenty of people out there who will not vote for him because he is black (as exemplified by the words and opinions of certain posters on this forum, pointing no elbows... cough "Thorax").

I have to say I personally think the racial issue will keep Obama out of the white house, I don't think Americans will vote in a black President. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Braddock wrote:

Hang on a minute, you're saying black people might vote for him just because he is black... well, there are plenty of people out there who will not vote for him because he is black (as exemplified by the words and opinions of certain posters on this forum, pointing no elbows... cough "Thorax").

I have to say I personally think the racial issue will keep Obama out of the white house, I don't think Americans will vote in a black President. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
well obama does not agree with you.  he calls it a wash.  his words.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6596|Éire

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Hang on a minute, you're saying black people might vote for him just because he is black... well, there are plenty of people out there who will not vote for him because he is black (as exemplified by the words and opinions of certain posters on this forum, pointing no elbows... cough "Thorax").

I have to say I personally think the racial issue will keep Obama out of the white house, I don't think Americans will vote in a black President. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
well obama does not agree with you.  he calls it a wash.  his words.
Well the poll showed that 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents... so perhaps Obama needs to pull his head out of the sand.

What do you mean by 'wash' by the way? I don't follow.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Braddock wrote:

What do you mean by 'wash' by the way? I don't follow.
He said, and i paraphrase... people may not vote for me because i am black, but people will vote for me because i am black, so it cancels each other out.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6596|Éire

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

What do you mean by 'wash' by the way? I don't follow.
He said, and i paraphrase... people may not vote for me because i am black, but people will vote for me because i am black, so it cancels each other out.
Well that's pretty much what I was saying originally... except deep down I believe it will tip in the favour of the Republicans.
topal63
. . .
+533|7024

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

What do you mean by 'wash' by the way? I don't follow.
He said, and i paraphrase... people may not vote for me because i am black, but people will vote for me because i am black, so it cancels each other out.
Well that's pretty much what I was saying originally... except deep down I believe it will tip in the favour of the Republicans.
That's the fact.

Whites are the majority and, a large number, many older registered white voters WILL NOT vote for Obama. Only a handful of older people I know will, but the majority are from a different generation and have stated specifically, to me, they can't see a black-man as president of the US.

PS: I acknowledge that is anecdotal information from personal experience.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-09-22 09:21:33)

Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6995|Tampa Bay Florida

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:


so they are sheep?
And this has to do with the topic how?

Also just because someone usually votes one way doesnt mean they are sheep.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TOPIC because obama said in a 60 miniutes interview exactly what I said.  He said what is stated in the OP, and the fact that blacks will vote for him because he is black makes this issue a wash.  So our lord and savior even said it.  is he off topic also?  fuck sakes.
He's calling it a wash because people like you and lowing would jump all over him and make it into an important "issue" when Barack played the race card.  Happens all the time in politics.  Just like people who want to be VP saying they don't want to be VP... white lying is common.  Some issues are more trouble than their worth, and even if Obama played the race card, it wouldn't help him at all and it'd make him look like a moron. 

Why do you sarcastically say "our lord and savior even said it".  Do you honestly read jack shit of what me or anyone else types?  Or are you just a troll?
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6977|UK
the latter.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

Spearhead wrote:

white lying is common
racist
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6952

FEOS wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

white lying is common
racist
Sometimes white people lie. Sometimes black people get violent. Which is why I question the validity of that poll.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Spearhead wrote:

Do you honestly read jack shit of what me or anyone else types?
oh you mean all the little jabs and jibs against palin flying all over the place?  ya thats funny and serious and non troll like.  you guys act like the douche bags at the emmy's last night.  so no, just like the hollyweird idiots, when you result to that lameness, i may hear you but not listen.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,061|7077|PNW

Racial views steer many white Democrats away from Obama
Racial views go both ways. Just ask Hillary.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:


And this has to do with the topic how?

Also just because someone usually votes one way doesnt mean they are sheep.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TOPIC because obama said in a 60 miniutes interview exactly what I said.  He said what is stated in the OP, and the fact that blacks will vote for him because he is black makes this issue a wash.  So our lord and savior even said it.  is he off topic also?  fuck sakes.
He's calling it a wash because people like you and lowing would jump all over him and make it into an important "issue" when Barack played the race card.  Happens all the time in politics.  Just like people who want to be VP saying they don't want to be VP... white lying is common.  Some issues are more trouble than their worth, and even if Obama played the race card, it wouldn't help him at all and it'd make him look like a moron. 

Why do you sarcastically say "our lord and savior even said it".  Do you honestly read jack shit of what me or anyone else types?  Or are you just a troll?
hmmm.. well Al Sharpton does not think so either.  Now, if Al Sharpton and Obama does not think so, then what the hell else do you want?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6843|Long Island, New York
https://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2008/09/obama_go_cart.gif

How could you be racist to this man
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6458|what

Poseidon wrote:

How could you be racist to this man
Or to the driver?

(see - that was sexist, not racist)
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6957|USA

Braddock wrote:

Hang on a minute, you're saying black people might vote for him just because he is black... well, there are plenty of people out there who will not vote for him because he is black (as exemplified by the words and opinions of certain posters on this forum, pointing no elbows... cough "Thorax").

I have to say I personally think the racial issue will keep Obama out of the white house, I don't think Americans will vote in a black President. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
What is pointed out is the double standard of it all, voting for him for no other reason than because he is black is perfectly fine. NOT voting for him for the same reason is racist an sinister.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6952

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Hang on a minute, you're saying black people might vote for him just because he is black... well, there are plenty of people out there who will not vote for him because he is black (as exemplified by the words and opinions of certain posters on this forum, pointing no elbows... cough "Thorax").

I have to say I personally think the racial issue will keep Obama out of the white house, I don't think Americans will vote in a black President. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
What is pointed out is the double standard of it all, voting for him for no other reason than because he is black is perfectly fine. NOT voting for him for the same reason is racist an sinister.
Nobody is saying voting for him because he is black is fine. There certainly is less outrage over it though.

Too many people have been suckered in by the "black people have been treated poorly" attitude to care enough about it.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6957|USA

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Hang on a minute, you're saying black people might vote for him just because he is black... well, there are plenty of people out there who will not vote for him because he is black (as exemplified by the words and opinions of certain posters on this forum, pointing no elbows... cough "Thorax").

I have to say I personally think the racial issue will keep Obama out of the white house, I don't think Americans will vote in a black President. I'd like to be proven wrong though.
What is pointed out is the double standard of it all, voting for him for no other reason than because he is black is perfectly fine. NOT voting for him for the same reason is racist an sinister.
Nobody is saying voting for him because he is black is fine. There certainly is less outrage over it though.

Too many people have been suckered in by the "black people have been treated poorly" attitude to care enough about it.
"less outrage" is an understatement, How about non-existent and completely rational reasonable and acceptable.

In fact, if I had posted that not voting for him because he is black is acceptable, Braddock, Cam, Spark and countless others would have this thread 5 pages farther calling me everything except for supper about how racist I am, and that proving it

Last edited by lowing (2008-09-23 14:12:27)

DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6769|cuntshitlake

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Why would this matter? Obama's a white guy.
The people we are talking about here only care about the skin color part of being a black guy.

Last edited by DeathUnlimited (2008-09-23 14:10:19)

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Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6952

lowing wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

lowing wrote:


What is pointed out is the double standard of it all, voting for him for no other reason than because he is black is perfectly fine. NOT voting for him for the same reason is racist an sinister.
Nobody is saying voting for him because he is black is fine. There certainly is less outrage over it though.

Too many people have been suckered in by the "black people have been treated poorly" attitude to care enough about it.
"less outrage" is an understatement, How about non-existent and completely rational reasonable and acceptable.

In fact, if I had posted that not voting for him because he is black is acceptable, Braddock, Cam, Spark and countless others would have this thread 5 pages farther calling me everything except for supper. with how racist I am and that proving it
I understand that but I don't think anyone in here is saying the opposite, that its acceptable to vote for him because he's black.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6957|USA

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:


Nobody is saying voting for him because he is black is fine. There certainly is less outrage over it though.

Too many people have been suckered in by the "black people have been treated poorly" attitude to care enough about it.
"less outrage" is an understatement, How about non-existent and completely rational reasonable and acceptable.

In fact, if I had posted that not voting for him because he is black is acceptable, Braddock, Cam, Spark and countless others would have this thread 5 pages farther calling me everything except for supper. with how racist I am and that proving it
I understand that but I don't think anyone in here is saying the opposite, that its acceptable to vote for him because he's black.
THey are not saying anything about the double standard, that is the point. NO outrage or disgust.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6995|Tampa Bay Florida
lowing, first and foremost, as aussie pointed out, liberals like to debate when they think they're right.  It's the thrill of the fight.  Other threads on the other hand get closed because some douche started name calling and whatnot, because they don't think they can win by honest debate/discussion.

Lets go through some logic here. 

Facts:

1. Black people and minorities in general tend to vote Democrat.  The Democratic party is much more diverse than the GOP. 

2. Lots of blacks and minorities are going to vote for Obama not only beacuse of his race, but because he's also a Democrat.

3. Lots of white Democrats are going to vote for him not only because he's a Democrat, but because he'd be the first non-pure white president, ever. 

4.  If the poll is correct, lots of white Democrats are going to either not vote or vote for someone else, not because he's a a Republican obviously, but because he's not entirely white.   This fits the definition of racism.  They do not want to vote for someone because of their race, not the issues they stand for.  However, if a white person votes for him simply because they want a non-white in the office, does that count as racism?  I wouldnt say so... maybe you'd say differently.

Yes there's a double standard..... but it's a very narrow double-standard.  The poll showed huge numbers of apparently racist Democrats, and now you guys are on the defensive?  Defensive from what?  The poll, if correct, proves that not even the Democrats are as progressive as they'd some of them would like to be. 

I think you're on the defensive because it implies that some racist Dems might be voting for McCain instead.  And you guys somehow think that implies that white racists will only vote for McCain.  And of course black racists are only going to vote for Obama.... but wait, they were most likely going to vote for a Democrat anyway, and by that stats, defintely were not going to vote Republican.  That's my argument.  Take it or leave it.

@ usmarine... every important person supporting Obama is trying to do the exact opposite of playing the race card.... Al Sharpton included.  It would do more harm than good.  Lots of people know that race will be an issue in the election.... just that no one wants to talk about it.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6952

Spearhead wrote:

However, if a white person votes for him simply because they want a non-white in the office, does that count as racism?  I wouldnt say so... maybe you'd say differently.
Thats not opinion. Thats an example of what racism is.
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7091|Perth, Western Australia
Voting for him because of his skin colour is no different to people choosing who to vote based off things like who their parents vote for, a deep seated hate for the other side/candidate, or being forced to vote as a few examples.

IMO it is an unattainable ideal for each vote to come from a voter who is fully informed and rational, and as such it leads to such things as negative politics, and the politics of personality. Yes, race can be a part of that, but then so can other things that one the whole are irrelevant to the presidency, such as gender, upbringing, religion, etc etc etc.

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