Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6677|67.222.138.85

m3thod wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

m3thod wrote:


You're not consumed by hellfire....yet.  You're in 'stasis' until judenment day where you will be questioned about your life.  Essentially your good has to be greater than your bad and from there your route will be chosen.

You pray 5 times a day because it is commanded by god.  You dont ask for anything.
but ultimately hellfire is your punishment. Mankind has figured out better forms of punishment for pricks like these, that is seriously the best God can do? The evil mankind can do to each other should not be more than a match for the punishment for the evildoers.
I think you're condemned to some nasty death and resurrected again continuously for a lifetime of pain.  Or that could be my mother telling me stories to get me to behave as a child.  Who knows.

I think its unfair to compare the punishment/torture methods available to humans to methods they we have no real knowledge of.
I would agree, if that wiki article didn't pretty particularly say "consumed by hellfire".

We don't know how harsh or lenient God's methods are, but we do know that what those people did to that kid are really beyond appalling. What did she do to be punished in this life, first by disability and then that? Do you believe she had a fair chance at proving herself worthy of eternal salvation?
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6641|UK
Under Islam the disabled get safe passage to heaven.  Children are not held accountable for their actions until they reach maturity so they get safe passage too.

Last edited by m3thod (2008-07-31 18:44:30)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6375|North Carolina

pierro wrote:

Why is it all these religion threads go after monotheism? If you really, truly, believe there is no god, then why do you only go after something close to your polar opposite? It's like a libertarian justifying their position by saying socialism is wrong. Why don't you try taking on a real challenge to your beliefs and confront deism?
Deism is interesting.  It's kind of anti-climactic (like agnosticism).  Deism certainly makes more sense than most other interpretations.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6571|132 and Bush

pierro wrote:

Why is it all these religion threads go after monotheism? If you really, truly, believe there is no god, then why do you only go after something close to your polar opposite? It's like a libertarian justifying their position by saying socialism is wrong. Why don't you try taking on a real challenge to your beliefs and confront deism?
Don't we all do that? The real faith based question are personal. I explore those challenges frequently. Just not in a forum where nearly everyone refuses to consider other opinions.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6677|67.222.138.85

m3thod wrote:

Under Islam the disabled get safe passage to heaven.  Children are not held accountable for their actions until they reach maturity so they get safe passage too.
Okay...that disabled part doesn't make any sense. Even if they commit acts of evil they get free passage anyways? Or is disabled strictly people mentally unable to function properly?

and still, if children are not held accountable for their actions, why should they be allowed to endure such horrible treatment?

If you haven't figured it out right now, I'm just challenging, not arguing. This is interesting.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6602|949

pierro wrote:

Why is it all these religion threads go after monotheism? If you really, truly, believe there is no god, then why do you only go after something close to your polar opposite? It's like a libertarian justifying their position by saying socialism is wrong. Why don't you try taking on a real challenge to your beliefs and confront deism?
How can I ponder something that I don't ponder at all?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-07-31 18:51:46)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6571|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

pierro wrote:

Why is it all these religion threads go after monotheism? If you really, truly, believe there is no god, then why do you only go after something close to your polar opposite? It's like a libertarian justifying their position by saying socialism is wrong. Why don't you try taking on a real challenge to your beliefs and confront deism?
How can I ponder something that I don't ponder at all?
Drugs, a lighter, and some free time.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6602|949

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

pierro wrote:

Why is it all these religion threads go after monotheism? If you really, truly, believe there is no god, then why do you only go after something close to your polar opposite? It's like a libertarian justifying their position by saying socialism is wrong. Why don't you try taking on a real challenge to your beliefs and confront deism?
How can I ponder something that I don't ponder at all?
Drugs, a lighter, and some free time.
I didn't ask you how I should spend my night...
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6571|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:


How can I ponder something that I don't ponder at all?
Drugs, a lighter, and some free time.
I didn't ask you how I should spend my night...
My bad, I should have assumed.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,973|6602|949

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Drugs, a lighter, and some free time.
I didn't ask you how I should spend my night...
My bad, I should have assumed.
Yeah I smoke some crack then light my farts...good times.
i g
Banned
+876|5834|GA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:


I didn't ask you how I should spend my night...
My bad, I should have assumed.
Yeah I smoke some crack then light my farts...good times.
if you really want the answers to life's questions...acid > all
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6571|132 and Bush

i g wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


My bad, I should have assumed.
Yeah I smoke some crack then light my farts...good times.
if you really want the answers to life's questions...acid > all
peyote tbh
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|6547|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!
Your God = Your Satan.

Prove me wrong.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6686

Roger Lesboules wrote:

Your God = Your Satan.

Prove me wrong.
God killed more people than satan.

Prove me wrong.
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JahManRed
wank
+646|6598|IRELAND

People can't deal with the harsh reality that when you die you rot and become worm food. It ain't so bad. You can help fertilizer a tree or something. People say that energy can't escape, it just changes form..............yeah into fertiliser.
I had a Jehovah witness tell me that the other day. I love getting them in for a cup of tea.

Anyway I would love to know what part in gods plan a kid who is born with severe disabilities and suffers all their life while tormented watching happy normal people all around them before dying young in pain, has.
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|6547|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Roger Lesboules wrote:

Your God = Your Satan.

Prove me wrong.
God killed more people than satan.

Prove me wrong.
I cant, U rite.
Mavik
Member
+22|5747|Germany
Sometimes I wish we could all see god with the eyes of children.

http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=deargodk5j.jpg
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6732

Mavik wrote:

Sometimes I wish we could all see god with the eyes of children.
...while a priest fondles you.
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6433|Tyne & Wear, England

Mavik wrote:

Sometimes I wish we could all see god with the eyes of children.

http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=deargodk5j.jpg
Some of those kids have neater handwriting than me.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6732

kids also believe in santa claus.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6713|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
Plenty of amazing people have been born or become severely Handicapped, look at one of the most brilliant minds on the planet at the minute, the only control he has is of a single muscle in his cheek.   Plenty of people who have severely handicapped children, still find a deep love for their children and find great strength from God in the situation.  Society through compassion & attitude towards handicapped people find God as Jesus taught. So in summing up being handicapped is neither a barrier to Humanity or God or some notion of being less "Worth".. only the truly ignorant would view it as such..
JahManRed
wank
+646|6598|IRELAND

Kmarion wrote:

i g wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Yeah I smoke some crack then light my farts...good times.
if you really want the answers to life's questions...acid > all
peyote tbh
Na. DMT.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|6811|Cologne, Germany

why do you figure God had anything to do with what happened to that poor handicapped child ?

I am currently an agnostic, but from what I can remember from school, the idea is that god created man with a free will to take his fate in his own hands, and form the world that was given to him according to his wishes. And that's about it. Everything else that has happened since then is the result of our own actions or inactions, the result of the free will that was given to us.

That child did not die because
a) god did nothing to prevent it, or
b) god killed it himself/herself

Rather, it died as the result of the actions/inactions of her fellow earthlings. If you want to blame someone, blame the people that were in charge of taking care of her.

Does god exist ? Well, as an agnostic, I think that one can not prove or disprove his/her existence, and even if you could, the answer would be irrelevant for our life here on earth. It doesn't matter if god exist, because quite obviously, if he exists, he doesn't give a shit about what happens here. So why worry ?
Live your life, be as happy as you can be. Life is too short to worry about god. This world has enough problems already, I'd say. Once we have mastered those, then we can look for a higher being...
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6728|Argentina

Braddock wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Dont worry bradders i'll put in a good word for ya.  Hopefully you're not a secret paedo or something...
Cheers, I'm gonna try and get Serge to put in a good word with Jehovah for me too and I'm already good friends with the Dalai Lama as it is.

I aint hedging my bets...and for the record I only go for strictly over 18's or at the very least grown up looking 17 year olds.*

*DISCLAIMER - no under 18's were sexually violated in the writing of this joke.
Sorry, I'm not religious, but I could ask some of my realtives or friends to do it for you.
topal63
. . .
+533|6688
B.Schuss ^^^ Re-read the first post.

The child was crippled from the get go - that's the point he's making. There is no "free-will" involved, there is no choosing: your parents, your race, being born into poverty, your birth country, the predominant religion in that country, cancer, being born deaf, dumb or blind; there is no choosing being riddled with a crippling disease as a child... and on and on. No-one chooses any of these things.

And, then this crippled child was then murdered. Specifically what kind of plan is that for that child? Forget the others. He's not blaming something he does not believe in. He is openly mocking the absurdity of "belief" that there is a "plan."

Last edited by topal63 (2008-08-01 05:34:28)

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