thats an assumption until you provide something that actually shows B&Es happen more regularly after one has taken place......lowing wrote:
nope, they were in this guys nieghborhood, he was defending that nieghborhood and his nieghbors.. I beleive it to be true that once a successful B&E occurs in a nieghborhood, you can pretty much expect more from the same people.....Well, except these 2 criminalReciprocity wrote:
were those punks approaching the old timer or his house? This particular shooting wasn't defensive.lowing wrote:
B&E is not worth killing over, B&E is worth defending against, and if the criminals get killed in that defense, then so be it.
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).Parker wrote:
...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
Last edited by DesertFox- (2008-07-01 21:19:05)
Wait wait wait
I can break into someones house and steal their shit, and people will feel sorry for me if I get shot? What if they killed someone while inside? For fucks sake, ITS A CRIME. If they want to do that, then they should expect deep shit if they get caught.
I can break into someones house and steal their shit, and people will feel sorry for me if I get shot? What if they killed someone while inside? For fucks sake, ITS A CRIME. If they want to do that, then they should expect deep shit if they get caught.
I'd bet money that if you heard more of this happening, the rate of B&Es would drop dramatically.
The argument is that it wasn't his house it was his neighbors and they supposedly weren't a threat to him.Wallpaper wrote:
Wait wait wait
I can break into someones house and steal their shit, and people will feel sorry for me if I get shot? What if they killed someone while inside? For fucks sake, ITS A CRIME. If they want to do that, then they should expect deep shit if they get caught.
Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-07-01 21:24:00)
thats a silly statement.
SO much inexperience in this thread i can do nothing but laugh.....
and fear for my rights as a gun owner if THIS is how the majority of the country feels.
and fear for my rights as a gun owner if THIS is how the majority of the country feels.
well fuck the law, we have low's belief system.lowing wrote:
nope, they were in this guys nieghborhood, he was defending that nieghborhood and his nieghbors.. I beleive it to be true that once a successful B&E occurs in a nieghborhood, you can pretty much expect more from the same people.....Well, except these 2 criminal
It's defensive when they step onto YOUR property and try to break into YOUR house. By that point I say give 'em both barrels.
What happens when your neighbor's brother, whom you've never met, walks into your neighbors house, to pick up his TV. You shoot him in the ass because you don't know him? Because you were protecting your neighborhood? Because you think you're next? I'm sure your neighbor and your jury will understand.
You disagree?God Save the Queen wrote:
thats a silly statement.
The neighbor's brother is going to be crawling out of his brother's house window in the middle of the night while carrying a bag of items?Reciprocity wrote:
What happens when your neighbor's brother, whom you've never met, walks into your neighbors house, to pick up his TV. You shoot him in the ass because you don't know him? Because you were protecting your neighborhood? Because you think you're next? I'm sure your neighbor and your jury will understand.
Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-07-01 21:27:18)
and what if he is? is it your property? Is there a law saying people have to use your neighbor's door?{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
The neighbor's brother is going to be crawling out of his brother's house window in the middle of the night while carrying a bag of items?
1. Ummmmmmmm.......2?Parker wrote:
fair enough. they wont rob anyone ever again, but who knows how many lives were adversely effected from his actions.lowing wrote:
1. yer right, we do not live in a perfect world, but today, it is minus 2 criminals closer to perfection.then i will ask you to think of the lives of your family, and your neighbors before you take that shot. i know you have at least a 9mm in your house, and that my friend will penetrate the walls of your home and injure anyone on the other side.lowing wrote:
2. Never have, don't wanna be, but I will tell you now, NO ONE is simply going to break into my home and find me there handing over the keys because I value that criminals life over my shit. I do not.
also, unless you live in Texas, be prepared to go to prison for the taking of human life over material possessions.
thats a lawshit the bed!lowing wrote:
3. I think we agree for the first time on something.he wasnt defending.lowing wrote:
4. This guy defended his nieghborhood, he got involved and the right people got hurt for it ( for a change). I will sleep just fine tonight.
B&E is not worth killing over, B&E is worth defending against, and if the criminals get killed in that defense, then so be it.
shooting someone in the back is an offensive move....NO way around that.indeed, if you wish to rob to make a living, you have to factor that in.lowing wrote:
Gun ownership does not give you the right to decide who lives or dies..........but B&E is a profession that has certain risks, you simply need to list death amongst them.
though, it still doesnt give you the right to shoot someone over it...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
2. So be it, I will not be broken into without a fight.
4. This I conceed, it was an offensive move, it goestoward the old phrase, a the best defense is a great offense.
5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
It isn't fuck the law.................It is one step closer to FUCK THE CRIMINALS...........and I love itReciprocity wrote:
well fuck the law, we have low's belief system.lowing wrote:
nope, they were in this guys nieghborhood, he was defending that nieghborhood and his nieghbors.. I beleive it to be true that once a successful B&E occurs in a nieghborhood, you can pretty much expect more from the same people.....Well, except these 2 criminal
It's defensive when they step onto YOUR property and try to break into YOUR house. By that point I say give 'em both barrels.
What happens when your neighbor's brother, whom you've never met, walks into your neighbors house, to pick up his TV. You shoot him in the ass because you don't know him? Because you were protecting your neighborhood? Because you think you're next? I'm sure your neighbor and your jury will understand.
And I agree with lowinglowing wrote:
5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
EDIT:
Still applies.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
I'd bet money that if you heard more of this happening, the rate of B&Es would drop dramatically.The argument is that it wasn't his house it was his neighbors and they supposedly weren't a threat to him.Wallpaper wrote:
Wait wait wait
I can break into someones house and steal their shit, and people will feel sorry for me if I get shot? What if they killed someone while inside? For fucks sake, ITS A CRIME. If they want to do that, then they should expect deep shit if they get caught.
Last edited by Wallpaper (2008-07-01 21:40:17)
i know, it throws you off when someone values human life.....its coollowing wrote:
1. Ummmmmmmm.......2?
then heres hoping your ignorance and lack of experience doesnt get your family killed.lowing wrote:
2. So be it, I will not be broken into without a fight.
that would SO be worth your HDDVD player, right?
good....i agree that the best defense is a good offense.lowing wrote:
4. This I conceed, it was an offensive move, it goestoward the old phrase, a the best defense is a great offense.
IN FUCKING WAR MAN....not on the streets.
do you live in Texas?lowing wrote:
5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
cause if you live in california, they arent going to give a shit.
all these internet bad asses that are so convinced they would "bust some caps".....i sincerely doubt your convictions regarding those morals.
and remember, this is coming from someone that has more experience with firearms than you.
it makes me sick to think as a gun owner, i could be classified in the same group as you.
you are SO far from what a responsible gun owner is, its almost comedic....it would be, if you couldnt kill people.
edit:
no one cares.Wallpaper wrote:
And I agree with lowinglowing wrote:
5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
Last edited by Parker (2008-07-01 21:40:56)
OK, your right, he should have let them go. Hell, he should have helped them load it into the truck. Why should he care? It's not his things. I'm sure the neighbor's will understand, especially when they most likely don't have insurance. He should call the cops and give a vague description of two people breaking into the house right next door, which will most likely lead to a dead end and a cold case. He shouldn't worry that maybe they will be back the next night, maybe armed this time. Maybe he should have shot the in the leg, then face a lawsuit from both of them in which he would probably lose both thanks to the sue happy society we live in.Reciprocity wrote:
and what if he is? is it your property? Is there a law saying people have to use your neighbor's door?{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
The neighbor's brother is going to be crawling out of his brother's house window in the middle of the night while carrying a bag of items?
Wait and see, maybe he'll get sued by the families of those he killed, although the case likely won't go anywhere in Texas.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
OK, your right, he should have let them go. Hell, he should have helped them load it into the truck. Why should he care? It's not his things. I'm sure the neighbor's will understand, especially when they most likely don't have insurance. He should call the cops and give a vague description of two people breaking into the house right next door, which will most likely lead to a dead end and a cold case. He shouldn't worry that maybe they will be back the next night, maybe armed this time. Maybe he should have shot the in the leg, then face a lawsuit from both of them in which he would probably lose both thanks to the sue happy society we live in.Reciprocity wrote:
and what if he is? is it your property? Is there a law saying people have to use your neighbor's door?{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
The neighbor's brother is going to be crawling out of his brother's house window in the middle of the night while carrying a bag of items?
They were illegals, I doubt he will get sued.DesertFox- wrote:
Wait and see, maybe he'll get sued by the families of those he killed, although the case likely won't go anywhere in Texas.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
OK, your right, he should have let them go. Hell, he should have helped them load it into the truck. Why should he care? It's not his things. I'm sure the neighbor's will understand, especially when they most likely don't have insurance. He should call the cops and give a vague description of two people breaking into the house right next door, which will most likely lead to a dead end and a cold case. He shouldn't worry that maybe they will be back the next night, maybe armed this time. Maybe he should have shot the in the leg, then face a lawsuit from both of them in which he would probably lose both thanks to the sue happy society we live in.Reciprocity wrote:
and what if he is? is it your property? Is there a law saying people have to use your neighbor's door?
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.DesertFox- wrote:
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).Parker wrote:
...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
like when your life is in danger.....NOT your neighbors mattress.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.DesertFox- wrote:
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).Parker wrote:
...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
QFEFlaming_Maniac wrote:
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.DesertFox- wrote:
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).Parker wrote:
...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
That's why there even is the debate about this old fart.
or when natural law is being brokenParker wrote:
like when your life is in danger.....NOT your neighbors mattress.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.DesertFox- wrote:
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).
Have you ever lived in a really bad part of town?
What about the guy who shot em? Dont you think being known as "the guy who killed someone" sucks enough, hell, his whole neighborhood is probably avoiding him now.
I do dearly hope no one shoots the goon who steals some old ladys purse. It would be heartbreakingParker wrote:
like when your life is in danger.....NOT your neighbors mattress.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.DesertFox- wrote:
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).
Last edited by Wallpaper (2008-07-01 21:47:34)
1. I value the lives of innocent people.Parker wrote:
i know, it throws you off when someone values human life.....its coollowing wrote:
1. Ummmmmmmm.......2?then heres hoping your ignorance and lack of experience doesnt get your family killed.lowing wrote:
2. So be it, I will not be broken into without a fight.
that would SO be worth your HDDVD player, right?good....i agree that the best defense is a good offense.lowing wrote:
4. This I conceed, it was an offensive move, it goestoward the old phrase, a the best defense is a great offense.
IN FUCKING WAR MAN....not on the streets.do you live in Texas?lowing wrote:
5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
cause if you live in california, they arent going to give a shit.
all these internet bad asses that are so convinced they would "bust some caps".....i sincerely doubt your convictions regarding those morals.
and remember, this is coming from someone that has more experience with firearms than you.
it makes me sick to think as a gun owner, i could classified in the same group as you.
you are SO far from what a responsible gun owner is, its almost comedic....it would be, if you couldnt kill people.
edit:no one cares.Wallpaper wrote:
And I agree with lowinglowing wrote:
5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
2. It is now ignorant to defend my family and my property? Sorry I will just have to disagree. What is ignorant is to break into a home which is armed.
4. We are not talking about on the streets, we are talking about in my home.
5. No worries there, I am just sitting back waiting for when that whole damn liberal state falls into the ocean anyway.
I am not an internet bad ass, nor am I bad ass in real life. I simply will defend my family and my possessions against those that want to take either. I am not out looking to kill someone, nor do I want to, so it is best that a criminal chooses anothers house to break into.
I am responsibile with my firearms, just because I do not feel sorry for criminals who get shot in committing a crime does not speak otherwise.
Last edited by lowing (2008-07-01 21:50:41)
well gentlemen, i would love to stay and continue this tonight, but if i dont sleep now, tomorrow is going to be a rough day.
i really think that some of you would benefit from actually seeing what a gunshot wound does....not on the TV or the interwebs.
im talking being right there....listening to that shit, watching it...smelling it.
it made me value life MUCH more than i ever did before. it put a lot of things into perspective for me....like what the responsibility actually IS when you carry a gun.
or, what the value of my property is compared to a human life.
i really think that some of you would benefit from actually seeing what a gunshot wound does....not on the TV or the interwebs.
im talking being right there....listening to that shit, watching it...smelling it.
it made me value life MUCH more than i ever did before. it put a lot of things into perspective for me....like what the responsibility actually IS when you carry a gun.
or, what the value of my property is compared to a human life.
Living in a bad part of town might make you value order compared to human life a little more.Parker wrote:
well gentlemen, i would love to stay and continue this tonight, but if i dont sleep now, tomorrow is going to be a rough day.
i really think that some of you would benefit from actually seeing what a gunshot wound does....not on the TV or the interwebs.
im talking being right there....listening to that shit, watching it...smelling it.
it made me value life MUCH more than i ever did before. it put a lot of things into perspective for me....like what the responsibility actually IS when you carry a gun.
or, what the value of my property is compared to a human life.