Parker
isteal
+1,452|6697|The Gem Saloon

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

B&E  is not worth killing over, B&E is worth defending against, and if the criminals get killed in that defense, then so be it.
were those punks approaching the old timer or his house?  This particular shooting wasn't defensive.
nope, they were in this guys nieghborhood, he was defending that nieghborhood and his nieghbors.. I beleive it to be true that once a successful B&E occurs in a nieghborhood, you can pretty much expect more from the same people.....Well, except these 2 criminal
thats an assumption until you provide something that actually shows B&Es happen more regularly after one has taken place......
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6987|United States of America

Parker wrote:

...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).

Last edited by DesertFox- (2008-07-01 21:19:05)

Wallpaper
+303|6296|The pool
Wait wait wait

I can break into someones house and steal their shit, and people will feel sorry for me if I get shot? What if they killed someone while inside? For fucks sake, ITS A CRIME. If they want to do that, then they should expect deep shit if they get caught.
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7062|San Antonio, Texas
I'd bet money that if you heard more of this happening, the rate of B&Es would drop dramatically.

Wallpaper wrote:

Wait wait wait

I can break into someones house and steal their shit, and people will feel sorry for me if I get shot? What if they killed someone while inside? For fucks sake, ITS A CRIME. If they want to do that, then they should expect deep shit if they get caught.
The argument is that it wasn't his house it was his neighbors and they supposedly weren't a threat to him.

Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-07-01 21:24:00)

God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6646|tropical regions of london
thats a silly statement.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6697|The Gem Saloon
SO much inexperience in this thread i can do nothing but laugh.....

and fear for my rights as a gun owner if THIS is how the majority of the country feels.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6883|the dank(super) side of Oregon

lowing wrote:

nope, they were in this guys nieghborhood, he was defending that nieghborhood and his nieghbors.. I beleive it to be true that once a successful B&E occurs in a nieghborhood, you can pretty much expect more from the same people.....Well, except these 2 criminal
well fuck the law, we have low's belief system. 

It's defensive when they step onto YOUR property and try to break into YOUR house.  By that point I say give 'em both barrels.


What happens when your neighbor's brother, whom you've never met, walks into your neighbors house, to pick up his TV.  You shoot him in the ass because you don't know him?  Because you were protecting your neighborhood?  Because you think you're next?  I'm sure your neighbor and your jury will understand.
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7062|San Antonio, Texas

God Save the Queen wrote:

thats a silly statement.
You disagree?

Reciprocity wrote:

What happens when your neighbor's brother, whom you've never met, walks into your neighbors house, to pick up his TV.  You shoot him in the ass because you don't know him?  Because you were protecting your neighborhood?  Because you think you're next?  I'm sure your neighbor and your jury will understand.
The neighbor's brother is going to be crawling out of his brother's house window in the middle of the night while carrying a bag of items?

Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-07-01 21:27:18)

Reciprocity
Member
+721|6883|the dank(super) side of Oregon

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

The neighbor's brother is going to be crawling out of his brother's house window in the middle of the night while carrying a bag of items?
and what if he is?  is it your property?  Is there a law saying people have to use your neighbor's door?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Parker wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. yer right, we do not live in a perfect world, but today, it is minus 2 criminals closer to perfection.
fair enough. they wont rob anyone ever again, but who knows how many lives were adversely effected from his actions.

lowing wrote:

2. Never have, don't wanna be, but I will tell you now, NO ONE is simply going to break into my home and find me there handing over the keys because I value that criminals life over my shit. I do not.
then i will ask you to think of the lives of your family, and your neighbors before you take that shot. i know you have at least a 9mm in your house, and that my friend will penetrate the walls of your home and injure anyone on the other side.
also, unless you live in Texas, be prepared to go to prison for the taking of human life over material possessions.
thats a law

lowing wrote:

3. I think we agree for the first time on something.
shit the bed!

lowing wrote:

4. This guy defended his nieghborhood, he got involved and the right people got hurt for it ( for a change). I will sleep just fine tonight.
B&E  is not worth killing over, B&E is worth defending against, and if the criminals get killed in that defense, then so be it.
he wasnt defending.
shooting someone in the back is an offensive move....NO way around that.

lowing wrote:

Gun ownership does not give you the right to decide who lives or dies..........but B&E is a profession that has certain risks, you simply need to list death amongst them.
indeed, if you wish to rob to make a living, you have to factor that in.
though, it still doesnt give you the right to shoot someone over it...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
1. Ummmmmmmm.......2?

2. So be it, I will not be broken into without a fight.

4. This I conceed, it was an offensive move, it goestoward the old phrase, a the best defense is a great offense.

5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

nope, they were in this guys nieghborhood, he was defending that nieghborhood and his nieghbors.. I beleive it to be true that once a successful B&E occurs in a nieghborhood, you can pretty much expect more from the same people.....Well, except these 2 criminal
well fuck the law, we have low's belief system. 

It's defensive when they step onto YOUR property and try to break into YOUR house.  By that point I say give 'em both barrels.


What happens when your neighbor's brother, whom you've never met, walks into your neighbors house, to pick up his TV.  You shoot him in the ass because you don't know him?  Because you were protecting your neighborhood?  Because you think you're next?  I'm sure your neighbor and your jury will understand.
It isn't fuck the law.................It is one step closer to FUCK THE CRIMINALS...........and I love it
Wallpaper
+303|6296|The pool

lowing wrote:

5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
And I agree with lowing

EDIT:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

I'd bet money that if you heard more of this happening, the rate of B&Es would drop dramatically.

Wallpaper wrote:

Wait wait wait

I can break into someones house and steal their shit, and people will feel sorry for me if I get shot? What if they killed someone while inside? For fucks sake, ITS A CRIME. If they want to do that, then they should expect deep shit if they get caught.
The argument is that it wasn't his house it was his neighbors and they supposedly weren't a threat to him.
Still applies.

Last edited by Wallpaper (2008-07-01 21:40:17)

Parker
isteal
+1,452|6697|The Gem Saloon

lowing wrote:

1. Ummmmmmmm.......2?
i know, it throws you off when someone values human life.....its cool

lowing wrote:

2. So be it, I will not be broken into without a fight.
then heres hoping your ignorance and lack of experience doesnt get your family killed.
that would SO be worth your HDDVD player, right?

lowing wrote:

4. This I conceed, it was an offensive move, it goestoward the old phrase, a the best defense is a great offense.
good....i agree that the best defense is a good offense.
IN FUCKING WAR MAN....not on the streets.

lowing wrote:

5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
do you live in Texas?
cause if you live in california, they arent going to give a shit.






all these internet bad asses that are so convinced they would "bust some caps".....i sincerely doubt your convictions regarding those morals.
and remember, this is coming from someone that has more experience with firearms than you.
it makes me sick to think as a gun owner, i could be classified in the same group as you.

you are SO far from what a responsible gun owner is, its almost comedic....it would be, if you couldnt kill people.


edit:

Wallpaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
And I agree with lowing
no one cares.

Last edited by Parker (2008-07-01 21:40:56)

{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7062|San Antonio, Texas

Reciprocity wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

The neighbor's brother is going to be crawling out of his brother's house window in the middle of the night while carrying a bag of items?
and what if he is?  is it your property?  Is there a law saying people have to use your neighbor's door?
OK, your right, he should have let them go. Hell, he should have helped them load it into the truck. Why should he care? It's not his things. I'm sure the neighbor's will understand, especially when they most likely don't have insurance. He should call the cops and give a vague description of two people breaking into the house right next door, which will most likely lead to a dead end and a cold case. He shouldn't worry that maybe they will be back the next night, maybe armed this time. Maybe he should have shot the in the leg, then face a lawsuit from both of them in which he would probably lose both thanks to the sue happy society we live in.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6987|United States of America

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

The neighbor's brother is going to be crawling out of his brother's house window in the middle of the night while carrying a bag of items?
and what if he is?  is it your property?  Is there a law saying people have to use your neighbor's door?
OK, your right, he should have let them go. Hell, he should have helped them load it into the truck. Why should he care? It's not his things. I'm sure the neighbor's will understand, especially when they most likely don't have insurance. He should call the cops and give a vague description of two people breaking into the house right next door, which will most likely lead to a dead end and a cold case. He shouldn't worry that maybe they will be back the next night, maybe armed this time. Maybe he should have shot the in the leg, then face a lawsuit from both of them in which he would probably lose both thanks to the sue happy society we live in.
Wait and see, maybe he'll get sued by the families of those he killed, although the case likely won't go anywhere in Texas.
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7062|San Antonio, Texas

DesertFox- wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:


and what if he is?  is it your property?  Is there a law saying people have to use your neighbor's door?
OK, your right, he should have let them go. Hell, he should have helped them load it into the truck. Why should he care? It's not his things. I'm sure the neighbor's will understand, especially when they most likely don't have insurance. He should call the cops and give a vague description of two people breaking into the house right next door, which will most likely lead to a dead end and a cold case. He shouldn't worry that maybe they will be back the next night, maybe armed this time. Maybe he should have shot the in the leg, then face a lawsuit from both of them in which he would probably lose both thanks to the sue happy society we live in.
Wait and see, maybe he'll get sued by the families of those he killed, although the case likely won't go anywhere in Texas.
They were illegals, I doubt he will get sued.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85

DesertFox- wrote:

Parker wrote:

...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6697|The Gem Saloon

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

Parker wrote:

...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.
like when your life is in danger.....NOT your neighbors mattress.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6987|United States of America

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

Parker wrote:

...unless you or your family are in serious physical danger, you do not have the right to use lethal force.
ever.
I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.
QFE

That's why there even is the debate about this old fart.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85

Parker wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:


I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.
like when your life is in danger.....NOT your neighbors mattress.
or when natural law is being broken

Have you ever lived in a really bad part of town?
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6689
What about the guy who shot em? Dont you think being known as "the guy who killed someone" sucks enough, hell, his whole neighborhood is probably avoiding him now.
Wallpaper
+303|6296|The pool

Parker wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

I know I sound like just another fanboy, but this man speaks the truth. Responsible gun ownership and use doesn't leave any room for maybes. For crimes like theft, those belongings can be recovered or replaced, and it's better to be safe than sorry where you get hit with a lawsuit from the criminal's family (only in America ).
lol, life is full of gray areas. You can try to define complete right and complete wrong all you want, but you will never cover every situation appropriately. Being a responsible gun owner is about having respect for your firearm and other life, and being decisive enough to know when to use your firearm and when not to.
like when your life is in danger.....NOT your neighbors mattress.
I do dearly hope no one shoots the goon who steals some old ladys purse. It would be heartbreaking

Last edited by Wallpaper (2008-07-01 21:47:34)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Parker wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. Ummmmmmmm.......2?
i know, it throws you off when someone values human life.....its cool

lowing wrote:

2. So be it, I will not be broken into without a fight.
then heres hoping your ignorance and lack of experience doesnt get your family killed.
that would SO be worth your HDDVD player, right?

lowing wrote:

4. This I conceed, it was an offensive move, it goestoward the old phrase, a the best defense is a great offense.
good....i agree that the best defense is a good offense.
IN FUCKING WAR MAN....not on the streets.

lowing wrote:

5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
do you live in Texas?
cause if you live in california, they arent going to give a shit.






all these internet bad asses that are so convinced they would "bust some caps".....i sincerely doubt your convictions regarding those morals.
and remember, this is coming from someone that has more experience with firearms than you.
it makes me sick to think as a gun owner, i could classified in the same group as you.

you are SO far from what a responsible gun owner is, its almost comedic....it would be, if you couldnt kill people.


edit:

Wallpaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

5. Texas disagrees and I agree with Texas.
And I agree with lowing
no one cares.
1. I value the lives of innocent people.

2. It is now ignorant to defend my family and my property? Sorry I will just have to disagree. What is ignorant is to break into a home which is armed.

4. We are not talking about on the streets, we are talking about in my home.

5. No worries there, I am just sitting back waiting for when that whole damn liberal state falls into the ocean anyway.


I am not an internet bad ass, nor am I bad ass in real life. I simply will defend my family and my possessions against those that want to take either. I am not out looking to kill someone, nor do I want to, so it is best that a criminal chooses anothers house to break into.

I am responsibile with my firearms, just because I do not feel sorry for criminals who get shot in committing a crime does not speak otherwise.

Last edited by lowing (2008-07-01 21:50:41)

Parker
isteal
+1,452|6697|The Gem Saloon
well gentlemen, i would love to stay and continue this tonight, but if i dont sleep now, tomorrow is going to be a rough day.


i really think that some of you would benefit from actually seeing what a gunshot wound does....not on the TV or the interwebs.
im talking being right there....listening to that shit, watching it...smelling it.
it made me value life MUCH more than i ever did before. it put a lot of things into perspective for me....like what the responsibility actually IS when you carry a gun.
or, what the value of my property is compared to a human life.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85

Parker wrote:

well gentlemen, i would love to stay and continue this tonight, but if i dont sleep now, tomorrow is going to be a rough day.


i really think that some of you would benefit from actually seeing what a gunshot wound does....not on the TV or the interwebs.
im talking being right there....listening to that shit, watching it...smelling it.
it made me value life MUCH more than i ever did before. it put a lot of things into perspective for me....like what the responsibility actually IS when you carry a gun.
or, what the value of my property is compared to a human life.
Living in a bad part of town might make you value order compared to human life a little more.

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