BF2S Forums Obama Pastor's 'Hate U.S.' Sermon

siciliano732 wrote:

Interesting how, if you attend a church and a pastor is preaching these types of topics...if you didnt agree with him...wouldnt you leave? 

Why has Obama continued to attend.  Interesting.

Or maybe it was his wife's comment about how she is proud of the US for the first time ever for their support of her hubby.  Interesting.

Barack wrote:

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue…

    Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he’s been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

    The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

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InnerMonkey wrote:

I long for the day when religion doesn't control U.S. politics.

liquix wrote:

my cousin once said he hates asians. Boy o Boy, let's get me fired from my job now. Go watch Fox news, for this is some pretty lame and pointless information.

liquix wrote:

Bush snorted COCAINE, and now y'all are going berserk over Obama's pastor?

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djphetal wrote:

And to Sniper3:
The facts are there, blacks in the USA do commit more violent crimes per capita than do whites, but a more telling statistic may me the relation to socio-economic state to crime... and the socio-economic state of African-Americans is still the victim of racism, both now and in centuries past. If you were implying that by design (literally, as far as you and anyone who believes in Intelligent Design is concerned... figuratively, as far as I and the rest of us who believe in Evolution are concerned), black people are more violent, then that is racist of you... and also makes me wonder where in the bible you get that opinion from?

siciliano732 wrote:

Interesting how, if you attend a church and a pastor is preaching these types of topics...if you didnt agree with him...wouldnt you leave? 

Why has Obama continued to attend.  Interesting.

siciliano732 wrote:

Or maybe it was his wife's comment about how she is proud of the US for the first time ever for their support of her hubby.  Interesting.

Kmarion wrote:

Asked and answered.

Barack wrote:

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue…

    Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he’s been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

    The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

Barack wrote:

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.

Barack wrote:

he has never been my political advisor

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

djphetal wrote:

And to Sniper3:
The facts are there, blacks in the USA do commit more violent crimes per capita than do whites, but a more telling statistic may me the relation to socio-economic state to crime... and the socio-economic state of African-Americans is still the victim of racism, both now and in centuries past. If you were implying that by design (literally, as far as you and anyone who believes in Intelligent Design is concerned... figuratively, as far as I and the rest of us who believe in Evolution are concerned), black people are more violent, then that is racist of you... and also makes me wonder where in the bible you get that opinion from?

So stating facts makes me a raciest? Go cry me a river, while your at it, call me a bigot. And I did not say by "design" blacks are more violent, but the situations they are brought up in cause them to be more violent, including their parents/grandparents.

djphetal wrote:

InnerMonkey wrote:

I long for the day when religion doesn't control U.S. politics.

I agree wholeheartedly.

As Media Matters for America has noted, on the September 18, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air, host Terry Gross said to Hagee, "You said after Hurricane Katrina that it was an act of God, and you said 'when you violate God's will long enough, the judgment of God comes to you. Katrina is an act of God for a society that is becoming Sodom and Gomorrah reborn.' " She then asked, "Do you still think that Katrina is punishment from God for a society that's becoming like Sodom and Gomorrah?" Hagee responded:

    HAGEE: All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment. And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.

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A March 7, 1996, article (accessed via the Nexis database) in the San Antonio Express-News reported that Hagee was going to "meet with black religious leaders privately at an unspecified future date to discuss comments he made in his newsletter about a 'slave sale,' an East Side minister said Wednesday." The Express-News further reported:

    Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a "slave sale" to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, "The Cluster."

    The item was introduced with the sentence "Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave."

On the Antichrist: “He’s going to make a seven-year treaty with Israel and set up his image to be worshiped in Israel. And that is where I’m convinced that a Jewish person who understands who he is shoots him, because the Bible says he’s wounded in the head and recovers wondrously, emulating the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. At this point in time when he comes back to life he has the personality of a Hitler. He now pursues the Jewish people. The Jewish people then go to Petra, which is a place in Jordan that is a natural fortress. And that God is going to provide for them there protection from him. And as he gets ready to pursue him, the Bible says that he, the Antichrist, hears tidings from the east that disturb him. The tidings from the east is that… the Chinese army is marching up the Euphrates River, 200 million of them, and they’re moving toward the battle of Armageddon, because they want the oil that will make them a superpower.”

On the Israeli-Palestinian peace process: “When the Annapolis Conference was being planned and the topic of dividing Jerusalem came up, one man asked me, ‘Where do you stand on this based on the Bible?’ I responded that ‘the plan of the Antichrist is to divide Jerusalem.’ If America puts pressure on Israel to divide Jerusalem we are following the blueprint of the Prince of Darkness. Amos 3:2 states that any nation that divides the Land of Israel will come under the severe judgment of God.”

In "Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To war" Hagee has stated that Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves by rebelling against God and that the Holocaust was God's way of forcing Jews to move to Israel where, Hagee predicts according to his interpretation of Biblical scripture, they will be mostly killed in the apocalyptic Mideast conflict Hagee's new lobbying group seems to be working to provoke and which John Hagee believes to be a necessary precondition for the "Rapture" that will lift Christians, but not Jews, bodily into Heaven to enjoy physical immortality amidst paradise.

...In his 2006 book "Jerusalem Countdown" that has sold over 1.1 million copies so far, Pastor John Hagee writes that Jews themselves are responsible for antisemitism, for their own persecution, and for the Holocaust itself :

    "It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day....

    How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God uppon his rebellious chosen people." ( "Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To War", paperback edition, pages 92 and 93 )

The Prophet Jeremiah... paints a vivid picture of the human agents God intended to use to bring the Jewish people back to Israel:

'But now I will send for many fisherman', declares the Lord', 'and they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks.'

I believe this indicates the positive comes before the negative.....

First, God sent the fisherman to Israel. These were the Zionists, men like Theodore Herzl who called for the Jews of Europe and the World to come to Palestine and establish the Jewish state. The Jews were encouraged to escape while there was still time....

[Then] God sent the hunters. The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear. No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler's Nazis drive the Jewish people back to the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have-Israel.... I am stricken with awe and wonder at his boundless love for Israel and the Jewish people...( "Jerusalem Countdown", paperback edition, pages 132 and 133 )

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Kmarion wrote:

You are right, what else would he say. You would be happier if he didn't speak out against his remarks? This type of attack is weak. When you can't finf anything real to smear a candidate, smear the people around him. Everyone is susceptible this type of asymmetrical attack.

ATG wrote:

Schittloaf wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Better sig now?

And I dispise gays, on religious grounds. And for blacks, lets just say that the larger population of black people in an area, the higher the crime rate. Oh shit, did I just say that?!? I must be a raciest for looking at facts...

LOL funny how if anyone says any facts pointed towards Obama its either Racist or Praise to the Dem's .. typical bullshit.

I', just laughing my ass off watching the democrat party self destruct..

BTW anyone ever question the Clintons ... seems like people who oppose them end up mysteriously dying ... IE 2 shots to the head.

just look for yourself   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVpab2R_NU

please don't interject such obvious fecal matter into an otherwise mostly intelligent debate.