BF2S Forums Poll for folks that can fly helos

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i think it's more about 'would you rather have a random player or someone you know as your gunner.'

personally, the best gunners i've ever had were random players who just hopped in as i was taking off.

that's not to say that the rest of them don't suck.

I'm one of the random gunners, who likes to jump on in.  If i'm lucky, I can get several kills with a pilot that knows enough to keep the nose pointed at the targets and helps me engage.  The other guys are too busy trying not to crash.   I can fly the choppers decently, but I realize that there are better flyers out there than me, so I let them have the controls.

I personally dislike guys who can't fly and just hang out in the gunner's seat waiting for a pilot.

A few of them are actually good gunners, but most are either newbies who can't hit anything (quite innocent, as they have to learn somehow), or n00bs who can't hit anything and get pissed if you have a squad mate who can hit stuff who you'd rather have in there. If you want to show the pilot that you are serious about being his gunner, join his squad when he gets in, or make a new squad and invite him if he isn't in one.

As a gunner, you either have to be psychic or use some sort of voice chatting. While voice chat is nice, I've run acroos some gunners who realize exactly what I am doing as a pilot and have good vision to see infantry to kill, and tv shots against vehicles that I line up.

Finally, I'll have to agree with cocoasdad and Krappyappy that finding a crappy pilot is far easier that finding an awful gunner (though both are available in abundance). Yesterday on Dragon Valley I had a guy tk my squadmate to get the chopper at the woodyard. I jumped in as the gunner only to watch him do nothing but strafe the carrier while our team lost half of our bases including the airfield. When he got shot down, I tk'd him (not the nicest thing), but with my squaddie gunner we were able to retake all but one of the lost bases including the arifield.

Last edited by Gilgalad (2005-12-23 11:45:49)

Nothing pisses me off more than climbing into the gunners seat, only to have the damn pilot roll the cobra into the drink half a heart beat off of the carrier.  If you can't fly the goddam thing, stay the hell out of the pilots seat.   Start your own game and learn to fly with no around to kill you.

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DRB_Black wrote:

I'm one of the random gunners, who likes to jump on in.  If i'm lucky, I can get several kills with a pilot that knows enough to keep the nose pointed at the targets and helps me engage.  The other guys are too busy trying not to crash.   I can fly the choppers decently, but I realize that there are better flyers out there than me, so I let them have the controls.

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So far as crappy pilots go, many casual players are not willing to put in the time to learn how to control thier flight offline before playing online. It would almost seem worthwhile for Dice to make a "Training" course that players would have to pass in order to unlock flying helos and planes online.

My favorite method of instant bad pilot detection (I'll at least attempt to call these unskilled cockbites n00bs ) is if they begin the flight by flying amost straight up 150-200 meters. I'll stay in to get the extra helo time (working on vet helo badge, time is only limitation for me), but won't expect much of anything out of the pilot. One really big exception to this rule - Transport pilot for USMC on Wake Island. Flying low will get you killed 90% or more of the time.  Get at least 200-250 meters high and go straight for the airbase. Either chute in from up high or dive down and land. Without this being done I rarely see the USMC win this map.

As far as finding a good pilot/gunner - rank matters. While there are First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors who have no skill with helicopters, most have some level of experience with them. Many of the worst pilots I've seen have a rank of Sergeant (just the regular kind) or lower. This doesn't mean that there aren't players with less time in the game who aren't good pilots (or sometimes are just veterans with new accounts), it just means that the likelihood of a person with 50-100 hours of game time having quality of instincts, skills and reactions of a person with several hundred hours is very low. People like to call most high ranking players vehicle whores, but a large part of thier stats (both time, kills and k/d ratio) is they stay alive longer when they get into vehicles because of thier experience and skill using them.

Last edited by Gilgalad (2005-12-23 13:23:57)

DRB_Black wrote:

I'm one of the random gunners, who likes to jump on in.  If i'm lucky, I can get several kills with a pilot that knows enough to keep the nose pointed at the targets and helps me engage.  The other guys are too busy trying not to crash.   I can fly the choppers decently, but I realize that there are better flyers out there than me, so I let them have the controls.

I am generally like that too. I can fly, but will willingly give it up to someone with better skills. I try to set the tone on our first sortie by taking down an enemy chopper with the TV missiles, just so the pilot knows I am not incapable! If he can't fly, he doesn't get a second chance with me in the gunner seat.

I hate those faggots that tell you to hop out so some other guy that was there could get in.  It's so gay, who gives a fuck who is in the gunner position.  My brother once hopped in the gunner seat and was tool to get out for another guy, and my brother refused so the guy flew to the edge of the map and said hop out, my brother said no and the pilot positioned it so that the gunner seat was just in the out of bounds zone and my brother didn't get out so after about 10 seconds it started to deteriorate his health and my brother died and after he died, the dickhead in the chopper just flew away.  It's actually kind of disgusting that people do that.  Fuck them all.

Last edited by _j5689_ (2005-12-23 20:22:09)

I'm not the best pilot but my friend and I use skype while I fly the chopper and we make a formidable duo.  Usually when I fly I'll try to take off to escape the random people trying to get in the chopper and land next to my friend so he can get in. 

However when a random does get in (and they often do) I'll let him keep the gunner seat.  I've heard of the edge of the map trick but have never tried it.  The only time I would even consider trying the edge of map trick is when I have a crap gunner (you know the ones who think TV's are used to kill cars/infantry and the machinegun is meant to take down tanks).