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2006-11-21 09:58:16
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6899|NJ
So as Agent_Dung_Bomb stated earlier how would you stop the gay/lesbian parents? Would you take the child away, and put him/her in foster care? 

There are plenty of worse off kids in the world then one's that are born into a homo family. There is no facts backing up the fact that a gay family will raise a gay child.

I've have some really close lesbian friends and they act the same way as a straight couple so I'm figuring all your opions on this are from someone who really don't know any gay couples outside of work.
2006-11-21 10:04:03
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6945|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

zimmer92 wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I don't think gay couples (legally married or not) should be parents.  I actually believe homosexual behavior is bad (just as fornication is bad) and to raise a child and condone such behavior is to start a child off poorly.  I believe children should be raised by two loving parents..a mother and a father because each parent performs important, vital roles in the nuturing and growth of the child.  Further, it is a commandment to multiply and replenish the earth.  With gay parents, this shows lack of respect for that commandment as they cannot fulfill this commandment themselves.

I have a pair of lesbians I work with, both have become pregnant and are raising two adorable little girls.  Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people, respectively.  But in thinking of the difference in upbringing my little girl will have vs. what their little girls will have, I'm saddened at the thought of those little girls being raised by two homosexual women and the things she will not learn..and of the things she WILL learn.
What a stinking pile of prejudiced bigoted shite, many single parents do a wonderful job of raising healthy normal well adjusted adult human beings, why should 2 people of the same Gender not do the same? away and have a word with yourself. don't kid yourself "Both these women are excellent people and I treat them as i would heterosexual people" no you don't, you can hardly disguise your disdain, you're just a disgusting bigot..
Now you see, I dont tolerate that.
Really, how dare you?
He expressed his opinion in a polite and respectful way.
And yet YOU come back and start launching abuse at him.

EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION - Respect everyones opinion
Let him express himslef without you judging him for what he believes in.
That is why this world does not turn smoothly, because people cannot accept that not everyone thinks the same way as they do.
i'm sorry mate, some opinions don't garner respect - should I respect the opinion all Jews are hateful? should I respect the opinion that black people are inferior to white people? should I respect the opinion that someone because of their sexual preference is not capable of raising children?  Sorry I will challenge bigoted opinions and the people who espouse them. k? ok?
2006-11-21 10:05:20
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|6959|Scotland

But you see, as you all quite clearly argue that hetero parents would be a better influence and a natural way of growing up you don't take the fact in that while a child learns from his parents and copies his parents. This is mostly for the younger part of his lifetime. And when it comes to teenage years 10-16, parents influence is quite small in comparison to that of what you thought of them before. Teenage kids think for themselves and figure most stuff about life on their on.
They are influenced by what is going on around them and what is going on at school.
And you keep referring back to what the child will see about the interaction between parents.
The problem with that is, that when the child actually takes in that information and is influenced by his/her parents, he is too young to completely comprehend what they are doing. And although the childs brain is like a sponge, those things dont really take effect on it until later on. By which at that time, the child will be thinking for himself 99% of the time.

To the answer above - No I get your point, but those opinions dont have any basis on what they are made on. He did, he made his point clearly.
2006-11-21 10:06:46
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6694|Northern California

JimG wrote:

Your arguement is full of generalisations. I doubt that a homosexual couple will bring up their children teaching them that homosexuality is the direction they should move into. You make it sound like homosexuality is a choice, when its not. Homosexuals are more likely to bring up their children with more open views then a heterosexual family like yourself, and you have proved that because you probably teach your children that it is wrong for homosexuals to have children?

There is nothing that proves that the examples gay parents teach their children are any worse then those of a heterosexual family. Just because you feel that you are bringing up your children in the right way does not mean every family have to bring their children up in the same way. For all you know, one of your children may be homosexual, should they not have children?
If your parents are actually gay, then the unspoken teaching of being gay is a learned behavior.  It's not a choice, it's simply the norm for a child.  If a child is raised by parents who only have black interior in their home, only wear black clothing, and behave in a gothic lifestyle, is it not reasonable to suggest that such behavior is the normal behavior the child will adopt..regardless of if the parents verbally steer them that way?

Children consciously and subconsciously become their parents.  It's a generalization that is actually true for the most part as is mine in the context above.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'll accept that as your opinion.  If you have a problem with me deciding that heterosexual behavior is wrong and that I'm not bringing up my children to be "open", then guess what you can do with that? lol  Should I also teach my children to decide for themselves to play with fire, to roam around outside freely?  No, that would be foolish.  And because my family believes that procreative powers are sacred and that they should be kept between a man and a woman, then that is the way I'll be teaching them.  Is there something wrong with that?  Did you ever think that people believe in morality for a reason other than simply being intolerant hyopcrits?  lol
2006-11-21 10:12:00
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6960|Argentina

IRONCHEF wrote:

JimG wrote:

Your arguement is full of generalisations. I doubt that a homosexual couple will bring up their children teaching them that homosexuality is the direction they should move into. You make it sound like homosexuality is a choice, when its not. Homosexuals are more likely to bring up their children with more open views then a heterosexual family like yourself, and you have proved that because you probably teach your children that it is wrong for homosexuals to have children?

There is nothing that proves that the examples gay parents teach their children are any worse then those of a heterosexual family. Just because you feel that you are bringing up your children in the right way does not mean every family have to bring their children up in the same way. For all you know, one of your children may be homosexual, should they not have children?
If your parents are actually gay, then the unspoken teaching of being gay is a learned behavior.  It's not a choice, it's simply the norm for a child.  If a child is raised by parents who only have black interior in their home, only wear black clothing, and behave in a gothic lifestyle, is it not reasonable to suggest that such behavior is the normal behavior the child will adopt..regardless of if the parents verbally steer them that way?

Children consciously and subconsciously become their parents.  It's a generalization that is actually true for the most part as is mine in the context above.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'll accept that as your opinion.  If you have a problem with me deciding that heterosexual behavior is wrong and that I'm not bringing up my children to be "open", then guess what you can do with that? lol  Should I also teach my children to decide for themselves to play with fire, to roam around outside freely?  No, that would be foolish.  And because my family believes that procreative powers are sacred and that they should be kept between a man and a woman, then that is the way I'll be teaching them.  Is there something wrong with that?  Did you ever think that people believe in morality for a reason other than simply being intolerant hyopcrits?  lol
What about that asshole Evangelical Preacher who is gay with 5 kids and payed for homo sex for a lot of years?  He raised 5 kids with a woman by his side and he is an hypocrite gay.
Two gays can raise a kid perfectly, and if they are two lesbians the kid will see two women kissing each other everyday.  What else can you ask?
2006-11-21 10:14:02
..teddy..jimmy
Member
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sergeriver wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

JimG wrote:

Your arguement is full of generalisations. I doubt that a homosexual couple will bring up their children teaching them that homosexuality is the direction they should move into. You make it sound like homosexuality is a choice, when its not. Homosexuals are more likely to bring up their children with more open views then a heterosexual family like yourself, and you have proved that because you probably teach your children that it is wrong for homosexuals to have children?

There is nothing that proves that the examples gay parents teach their children are any worse then those of a heterosexual family. Just because you feel that you are bringing up your children in the right way does not mean every family have to bring their children up in the same way. For all you know, one of your children may be homosexual, should they not have children?
If your parents are actually gay, then the unspoken teaching of being gay is a learned behavior.  It's not a choice, it's simply the norm for a child.  If a child is raised by parents who only have black interior in their home, only wear black clothing, and behave in a gothic lifestyle, is it not reasonable to suggest that such behavior is the normal behavior the child will adopt..regardless of if the parents verbally steer them that way?

Children consciously and subconsciously become their parents.  It's a generalization that is actually true for the most part as is mine in the context above.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'll accept that as your opinion.  If you have a problem with me deciding that heterosexual behavior is wrong and that I'm not bringing up my children to be "open", then guess what you can do with that? lol  Should I also teach my children to decide for themselves to play with fire, to roam around outside freely?  No, that would be foolish.  And because my family believes that procreative powers are sacred and that they should be kept between a man and a woman, then that is the way I'll be teaching them.  Is there something wrong with that?  Did you ever think that people believe in morality for a reason other than simply being intolerant hyopcrits?  lol
What about that asshole Evangelical Preacher who is gay with 5 kids and payed for homo sex for a lot of years?  He raised 5 kids with a woman by his side and he is an hypocrite gay.
Two gays can raise a kid perfectly, and if they are two lesbians the kid will see two women kissing each other everyday.  What else can you ask?
Yes, this may happen in heterosexual families but children raised by gays are usually always disadvantaged as they are not generally accepted in the community although i hate to say it.
2006-11-21 10:14:50
JimG
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IRONCHEF wrote:

JimG wrote:

Your arguement is full of generalisations. I doubt that a homosexual couple will bring up their children teaching them that homosexuality is the direction they should move into. You make it sound like homosexuality is a choice, when its not. Homosexuals are more likely to bring up their children with more open views then a heterosexual family like yourself, and you have proved that because you probably teach your children that it is wrong for homosexuals to have children?

There is nothing that proves that the examples gay parents teach their children are any worse then those of a heterosexual family. Just because you feel that you are bringing up your children in the right way does not mean every family have to bring their children up in the same way. For all you know, one of your children may be homosexual, should they not have children?
If your parents are actually gay, then the unspoken teaching of being gay is a learned behavior.  It's not a choice, it's simply the norm for a child.  If a child is raised by parents who only have black interior in their home, only wear black clothing, and behave in a gothic lifestyle, is it not reasonable to suggest that such behavior is the normal behavior the child will adopt..regardless of if the parents verbally steer them that way?

Children consciously and subconsciously become their parents.  It's a generalization that is actually true for the most part as is mine in the context above.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'll accept that as your opinion.  If you have a problem with me deciding that heterosexual behavior is wrong and that I'm not bringing up my children to be "open", then guess what you can do with that? lol  Should I also teach my children to decide for themselves to play with fire, to roam around outside freely?  No, that would be foolish.  And because my family believes that procreative powers are sacred and that they should be kept between a man and a woman, then that is the way I'll be teaching them.  Is there something wrong with that?  Did you ever think that people believe in morality for a reason other than simply being intolerant hyopcrits?  lol
Please read over what I said.

1) Homosexuality is NOT a choice, that's pretty obvious.

2) I am not criticizing the way you bring up your children I am just saying that homosexuals will most likely bring up their children to be more liberal then you obviously are bringing up your children.

3) Obviously you will not let your child decide for himself to play with fire etc, and that is completly irrelevant, as I doubt homosexual parents would do the same thing.

4) That generalisation is not 'generally' true, unless you have hard facts to prove it. Influence only goes so far, and in time children start to have their own views as they start to spend less and less time with their parents. Children adapt with time and with their friends.

5) You are allowed to teach them those beliefs but a child should be brought up with an open mind and the choice to be able to decide for themselves with some guidence from their parents.
2006-11-21 10:15:49
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6694|Northern California
I've not said gays can't raise kids well, nor have i said they can't raise kids lovingly.  I've spoken on behalf of the children who should have the right to be raise by two hetero parents.  But because people instantly equate a moral opinion as one that is bigoted (even after confessing my friendship with the two lesbians in my office), people flip out and stray from this topic and flame.
2006-11-21 10:32:15
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6694|Northern California

JimG wrote:

Please read over what I said.

1) Homosexuality is NOT a choice, that's pretty obvious.

2) I am not criticizing the way you bring up your children I am just saying that homosexuals will most likely bring up their children to be more liberal then you obviously are bringing up your children.

3) Obviously you will not let your child decide for himself to play with fire etc, and that is completly irrelevant, as I doubt homosexual parents would do the same thing.

4) That generalisation is not 'generally' true, unless you have hard facts to prove it. Influence only goes so far, and in time children start to have their own views as they start to spend less and less time with their parents. Children adapt with time and with their friends.

5) You are allowed to teach them those beliefs but a child should be brought up with an open mind and the choice to be able to decide for themselves with some guidence from their parents.
1) You cannot prove that it's not a choice.  How can anyone?  Have you ever seen a gay turn straight?  And not have any problems like withdrawal symptoms?  I have.  it works both ways.  They are learned behaviors, period.  You always have a choice, and you can learn attraction even.

2) That is an opinion that cannot be possible to make not knowing the liberal values I will teach vs. what a homosexual value set will teach.  Liberal teachings are more than just sexual orientation. 

3) The playing with fire, running neighborhoods freely analogy is meant to compare your idea that letting children decide things for themselves IS a wise choice.  ALL parents teach their children things that they shouldn't learn for themselves..and there's nothing wrong with it unless it harms them, or is unlawful, right?  Well then, teaching morals is about as perfect a teaching topic a parent can have for children.  When their adults, they can weigh what their parents taught them, and what they're learning on their own, right?

4) Well, as you grow older and have sobering realizations that you "are" becoming like your parents (a common reality for people who find themselves doing things they didn't want to do because "it's what their parents did"), you'll see it's a very real generalization that is accurate.  The burden of proof is not on me to bear, so forgive me for not proving it to you.

5) You have misjudged me thinking I will bring up my children to not tolerate certain people.  It's ok, I expected it.  What you don't know is that I, and my wife, have more than once discussed the futures of our children.  We've discussed the various outcomes and paths that will befall them like homosexuality, befriending gays, acting gay, etc.  And probably to your surprise, and to the surprise of others calling me a bigot, we were quite liberal in our thinking.  While we'd love our children to adhere to christian principles, we will accept them if they don't..and that includes homosexual behavior.  This is another example of loving people and hating the sin that many of you can't fathom. 

A good example that my wife and I have already taught and proven is that my daughter has a female classmate who's got two lesbian parents.  The topic was letting Ceara go play at her home for an afternoon.  Naturally, we discussed briefly what this could do to contradict our teachings that mommies and daddies are the best parents for kids.  We let her go, then if she mentioned that her friend had two mommies, we could then take advantage of that moment to teach her that "it's ok for your friend to have two mommies..sometimes kids have parents who adopted them, sometimes kids have just one parent, sometimes two of the same kind.  There's nothing wrong with those kids and its important to not tease them when other kids tease them.  For you, you have me and mommy and [teaching moment supportive of heterosexual parenting]..."

Done!  Tolerance, kindness, choice, and my daughter has been taught a moral value!  If this is bigotry, then i'm the scum of the earth.  But imagine it the other way around?  What if gay parents do the same thing?  Is it bigotry?

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-11-21 10:35:15)

2006-11-21 10:33:23
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6945|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

IRONCHEF wrote:

JimG wrote:

Your arguement is full of generalisations. I doubt that a homosexual couple will bring up their children teaching them that homosexuality is the direction they should move into. You make it sound like homosexuality is a choice, when its not. Homosexuals are more likely to bring up their children with more open views then a heterosexual family like yourself, and you have proved that because you probably teach your children that it is wrong for homosexuals to have children?

There is nothing that proves that the examples gay parents teach their children are any worse then those of a heterosexual family. Just because you feel that you are bringing up your children in the right way does not mean every family have to bring their children up in the same way. For all you know, one of your children may be homosexual, should they not have children?
If your parents are actually gay, then the unspoken teaching of being gay is a learned behavior.  It's not a choice, it's simply the norm for a child.  If a child is raised by parents who only have black interior in their home, only wear black clothing, and behave in a gothic lifestyle, is it not reasonable to suggest that such behavior is the normal behavior the child will adopt..regardless of if the parents verbally steer them that way?

Children consciously and subconsciously become their parents.  It's a generalization that is actually true for the most part as is mine in the context above.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'll accept that as your opinion.  If you have a problem with me deciding that heterosexual behavior is wrong and that I'm not bringing up my children to be "open", then guess what you can do with that? lol  Should I also teach my children to decide for themselves to play with fire, to roam around outside freely?  No, that would be foolish.  And because my family believes that procreative powers are sacred and that they should be kept between a man and a woman, then that is the way I'll be teaching them.  Is there something wrong with that?  Did you ever think that people believe in morality for a reason other than simply being intolerant hyopcrits?  lol
The question is, even with such a background what if your progeny announce they are gay? what's the next step? do you accept them and still love them for the beings they are? or do you doubt your own parenting ability and blame yourself? or do you accept that maybe thats just the way the cookie crumbles?
2006-11-21 10:38:40
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6899|NJ
Well here's my question? I"m sure that there are single parents our there who live with someone of the same sex and not as a relationship, now how are people going to decipher if there parents are gay or not? It's really noone's business to deal with the homelife..

But in a gay relationship who is the owner of the child?
2006-11-21 10:43:00
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6960|Argentina
In a perfect world all would work just fine.  But in this one, what do you prefer?  An African baby to die of starvation, or to be raised by a couple of gays?
2006-11-21 10:44:38
AchangelTyreal
360 owns my soul
+31|6712|Behind You

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

If you legalised gay marriage none of those would be a problem.................
It would still be a problem because although gay marriages may be legalised a large percentage of the population will have a problem with it. The kid would ultimately also be mobbed and bullied at school for having two fathers, for example.
That is completely true, but what about parents in an interacial relationship?  They were/are certaintly mobbed or bullied at school but a question was never raised as to whether or not they should be allowed to have kids.  Kids will always be bullied or made fun of for being different in school, it's unavoidable, I don't think that this is grounds for why homosexuals should not be allowed to have children.
2006-11-21 10:44:56
kilgoretrout
Member
+53|6673|Little Rock, AR

TigerXtrm wrote:

Yes, they should. As should they be allowed to get married. Homosexuals are only a minority because 'the church' says they are, which is major bull...
Wait, wait...  Are you saying the majority of people are homosexuals?  Back that statement up, please.

More on topic, if they're seen to be fit parents, let them adopt or have IVF kids.  I mean, honestly, how could you stop a lesbian from getting a male friend to fuck her just to make a kid?  If they can't do IVF, that's an option that nobody could stop.  All of the disadvantages you cited would be null and void if homosexuals were allowed equal protection under the law of this land.

And your bias is really obvious when you say stuff like "even though the child will probably be bullied and stigmatized at school?"  That's like saying, "should poor people be allowed to have kids?" or "should uncool people be allowed to have kids?"
2006-11-21 10:45:23
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6899|NJ
I say all kids get bullied, nobody should have kids anymore..
2006-11-21 10:45:36
SFCCDailey
Banned
+106|6918|USA
Just an FYI, Gays CAN'T have kids!!!! It's physically impossible !!!!!!! There's a reason it takes a male and a female to create a child. Children need both the male and female influence in their life.
2006-11-21 10:48:10
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6648|The Land of Scott Walker

IG-Calibre wrote:

The question is, even with such a background what if your progeny announce they are gay? what's the next step? do you accept them and still love them for the beings they are? or do you doubt your own parenting ability and blame yourself? or do you accept that maybe thats just the way the cookie crumbles?
I love them and accept them, without doubting my parenting ability and pray that they return to the values I taught them.
2006-11-21 10:49:19
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6694|Northern California

IG-Calibre wrote:

The question is, even with such a background what if your progeny announce they are gay? what's the next step? do you accept them and still love them for the beings they are? or do you doubt your own parenting ability and blame yourself? or do you accept that maybe thats just the way the cookie crumbles?
Absolutely (see post above yours).  My children will learn from us, and church, that they are "agents unto themselves."  This means they do actually have the right to choose right from wrong, etc.  This is something I doubt many parents (conservative, liberal, religious, non-religious) teach their kids because of obvious consequences! lol  But we teach it, but it is also matched with what our wisdom and our morals are and how they should chose them for happiness, safety, learning, etc.  But as you say, the cookie may crumble later and all we can do is hope we did correctly when raising them.

A funny side thing here... my son, Sam, being the younger sibling of my daughter (2 years older than him) often dresses up quite extravegantly..tutus, princess dresses, high heels, everything!  At first we were letting it go because it's obviously not a sexual preference or even a "learned" behavior.  It's play.  But because we had plenty of discussing about it, and because we do want Sam to eventually realize that there's boy things and girl things...we got him a knight outfit (sword, shield, helm, breastplate, etc) and a batman outfit and have let him choose them (with our nudging, of course).  He's into his knight and batman and now his veterinarian outfits, but he'll occaisionaly put the tutu on or wrap a towel around his body like a womans dress..and we've started gently telling him "Sam, dresses are for girls, not for boys silly!"  And he is starting to understand.

Now that all may sound simple, but in reality, that's covering a huge amount of influence on our parts (as parents).  We could very easily just leave it alone and he'd probably figure it out on his own.  Or he could just keep doing it and grow into an adolescent and we could be "open" and let him be a drag queen.  What is the more "right" thing to do?  It all depends on the parents, right? 

Anyway, i'm much too long winded.  I'll digress.
2006-11-21 10:49:59
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6648|The Land of Scott Walker

sergeriver wrote:

In a perfect world all would work just fine.  But in this one, what do you prefer?  An African baby to die of starvation, or to be raised by a couple of gays?
I already said, adoption of kids without loving parents I'll support.  IVF I won't.
2006-11-21 10:51:01
kilgoretrout
Member
+53|6673|Little Rock, AR

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:


If your parents are actually gay, then the unspoken teaching of being gay is a learned behavior.  It's not a choice, it's simply the norm for a child.  If a child is raised by parents who only have black interior in their home, only wear black clothing, and behave in a gothic lifestyle, is it not reasonable to suggest that such behavior is the normal behavior the child will adopt..regardless of if the parents verbally steer them that way?

Children consciously and subconsciously become their parents.  It's a generalization that is actually true for the most part as is mine in the context above.

As for homosexuality being a choice, I'll accept that as your opinion.  If you have a problem with me deciding that heterosexual behavior is wrong and that I'm not bringing up my children to be "open", then guess what you can do with that? lol  Should I also teach my children to decide for themselves to play with fire, to roam around outside freely?  No, that would be foolish.  And because my family believes that procreative powers are sacred and that they should be kept between a man and a woman, then that is the way I'll be teaching them.  Is there something wrong with that?  Did you ever think that people believe in morality for a reason other than simply being intolerant hyopcrits?  lol
What about that asshole Evangelical Preacher who is gay with 5 kids and payed for homo sex for a lot of years?  He raised 5 kids with a woman by his side and he is an hypocrite gay.
Two gays can raise a kid perfectly, and if they are two lesbians the kid will see two women kissing each other everyday.  What else can you ask?
Yes, this may happen in heterosexual families but children raised by gays are usually always disadvantaged as they are not generally accepted in the community although i hate to say it.
Can you cite that?  One of my best friend's girlfriend was raised by her biological father and mother until she was about 7, and then her parents split up because her father realized he was gay, and her mother realized she was a lesbian (I swear I'm not making this shit up.)  She was raised in an incredibly closed-minded Arkansas town, and people are cool with her.  Sure, she took some shit, but everyone takes some shit.  Who didn't get made fun of for something growing up?
2006-11-21 10:51:29
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6732|Global Command
I vote no.
2006-11-21 10:52:33
kilgoretrout
Member
+53|6673|Little Rock, AR

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

In a perfect world all would work just fine.  But in this one, what do you prefer?  An African baby to die of starvation, or to be raised by a couple of gays?
I already said, adoption of kids without loving parents I'll support.  IVF I won't.
Then should it be legal for a lesbian to let a guy fuck her just to get pregnant if both parties are consenting?  Cause I've seen some lesbians on the internet that I'd help out...
2006-11-21 10:52:35
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|6852

ATG wrote:

I vote no.
GO ATG----WOOOO
2006-11-21 10:53:08
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6925|Eastern PA

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

In a perfect world all would work just fine.  But in this one, what do you prefer?  An African baby to die of starvation, or to be raised by a couple of gays?
I already said, adoption of kids without loving parents I'll support.  IVF I won't.
So you support gays having kids, but not "having" kids?
2006-11-21 10:55:55
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|6852

Masques wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

In a perfect world all would work just fine.  But in this one, what do you prefer?  An African baby to die of starvation, or to be raised by a couple of gays?
I already said, adoption of kids without loving parents I'll support.  IVF I won't.
So you support gays having kids, but not "having" kids?
IVF is different then adoption. By adopting a child you are automatically giving a child a better life if they, from before, live in terrible conditions. However, by IVF is quite different.

 

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