Nagarond.Damminson
Member
+16|7074
its pure skill. As a sniper you dont take chances with shots. If you cant hit him, you dont shoot wild and give yourself away.

Trained snipers practice for hours with getting their stances and positions solid and as steady as a rock. They practice breathing techniques and when to fire in between their breaths so that they are increadibly consistant. Even when using special match grade ammunition, they re-sight their weapons with each batch of ammunition so that if the gunpowder from one batch burns slower or faster, they are prepared and dead on. They take care of their weapons to such an extent that weapons from Vietnam sniper service  were still in use into the 90's, even after having hundreds of thousands of rounds fired through them.

Being a sniper is another level of dedication to a single purpose.
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6944|Warlord

Nagarond.Damminson wrote:

its pure skill.
What if the wind had dropped or picked up in the time* it took the bullet to go downrange? There's some chance involved.

*Not insignificant. Anyone know the typical time it might take a 7.62 NATO bullet to traverse 900m?
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6835|Montucky
https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i124/s3v3ns1xtw0/owned/screen043.jpg

i owned the bunnyhopping nade spamming number 1 geek of bf2 with my trusty L96A1
ts-pulsar
Member
+54|6819
Don't know if it counts, but I take shots at 1000 yds every time I bring my .338 Lapua Remington (built my self) to the range.  Usually just shoot the 4ft gong with it, and only very early in the morning when the wind is low.  I can usually hit 4/5ths of the time.

As for record shots in the game with a sniper rifle, I once shot the driver out of a helo, which proceeded to fly erratically and crashed into a loaded humvee well out of my visual range
sanho2
Member
+4|6822
This guy is my hero: Galen Wilson has 20 confirmed kills in four months in Iraq...

In about 8 seconds he squeezed off five rounds — hitting five gunmen in the head. The sixth man dived off a 3-story building just as Wilson got him in his sights, and counts as a probable death.

http://tinyurl.com/zjg3l

BTW he uses an M16 SAMR.

http://tinyurl.com/qccxr

Apparently you have to join the Marines to unlock that one. No respawns.

Last edited by sanho2 (2006-08-04 15:27:27)

The_Jester
Member
+52|6808|Italy
I don't give a flying fuck about all those "look, I'm 1337" bf2 video snipers wannabe.

But much respect to everyone is involved in real war situations, expecially against fucking godless terrorists.

Hat off, you guys are our modern heroes.
gsxrpilot
Member
+6|6967|Cincinnati, Oh

HellHead wrote:

I wish some of you guys would have had the experience of facing somebody eye to eye, who really killed another soldier with a sniper rifle. Who really saw the head of another human being exploding in their scope.

I bet you would talk a bit differently and less lightheaded about something serious like this. Something I will never forget when I made that experience. I never saw human eyes with that much coldness and death in them.
The man speaks the truth.............

I was in the Marine Corps from 97-02 as a Scout Sniper.

I was sent to Egypt in 00' for training.  Long story short, we started taking mortar rounds in the camp.  Turns out that somebody didn't like us being there.  I was sent out with my spotter to find the mortar crew and eliminate them.  ( We had a good idea where they were through recon)  It took us the better part of 9 hours to get into a position right below the top of a ridge-line to where we could see them.  It was 3 guys............obviously not from any organized military unit.  My spotter and I discussed which one would be best to take out first.  We came to the conclusion that the one that was actually dropping the mortar rounds in the tube was going to be first as the other two seemed like they really weren't sure what to do.

My spotter calls the wind..........Calls the distance...........and then I hear the words that I thought/hoped I would never have to hear........"Fire at will........."

I've got to be honest...........when I looked through the scope and saw another human life at the end of it, I had second thoughts.......just for a split second, but then reality set back in...........I had to do it.  Many Marines lives depended on it.  Steady squeeze.............................BOOM!!!  (Mind you, this was a .50 cal. sniper rifle).  After the dust settled, I looked back through my scope to see the other two running away as fast as they could, while their buddy lay there with his head basically missing.  I can't describe the feelings that I felt, but I can tell you that taking another human life is no joke.  It has the power to change you instantly.

I know this was kind of a long read, and I apologize, but it's just something for you to think about............


Semper Fi
Drexor
Member
+33|6930|Denmark
gsxrpilot i doesn't matter if your post was long, you gave us a sight into what a soldier (scout) has to face in battle, and for me i am shocked by this telling..... i newer hope it will be something i experience
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6835|Montucky
I don't remember much of the firefirghts or skirmishes that i was in. (USMC  Jan '01 - Jan 06)

I just remember the squad i was covering started looking for cover when a MachineGun started firing upon them, I just placed the crosshairs on that man's head and pulled the trigger.  my spotter only called out distance before I squeezed the trigger.

...and don't lump me in with the Scout Snipers.. i was one of the few Designated Marksman in the Marine Corps.


EDIT--SPEEELING.

Last edited by [1FR]S3v3N (2006-08-04 16:50:16)

Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6865|San Diego, CA, USA
According to this:
http://www.pixelwebgroup.com/temp/bf2/b … wall=false

The L96A1 is nearly idential to the M24.  Does the L96A1 have a different penetration factor?
Entertayner
Member
+826|6887

Harmor wrote:

According to this:
http://www.pixelwebgroup.com/temp/bf2/b … wall=false

The L96A1 is nearly idential to the M24.  Does the L96A1 have a different penetration factor?
It has a thinner crosshair and a quicker reload time...
kessel!
Peruvian Cocaine
+261|7082|Toronto Canada
https://content.ytmnd.com/content/3/3/b/33b49cd42d0169bdfa1068d83fdb4e04.gif
RichyCizzo
Member
+9|6795|Florida

Marlboroman82 wrote:

RichyCizzo wrote:

Yes. I made a 500 mile shot with a Desert Eagle with an acog sight. ZOMG WTF?!
What the fuck asshole. If you don't have anything posative to contribute stfu. Yea i liked the part about aiming so many yards to the right and high to account for the bullet drop.
If you can't spell the word "positive" why even use such a BIG WORD? And clearly it was a joke you dumbass. Wasn't a negative post nor a positive post. Learn to read and comprehend what you read before you make such dumbass remarks like that.
Nagarond.Damminson
Member
+16|7074
do some reading on carlos hathcock and him winning the Wimbledon Cup. The wind changing is part of the training to get used to it. You cycle your breathing and you watch for the wind to drop or raise by observing the trees and grass. You even have to account for what you are shooting over, whether its a hot surface like exposed rock that can raise air, or a cooler surface that can have the opposite effect. When you have 5 minutes to squeeze off a shot and wait till 10 seconds left before the wind dies down to where you need it to be according to how many ticks you adjusted your scope so that you can hit a 1 inch circle at 1000 yards, that is ownage

the muzzle velocity of the winchester model 70 (which hathcock used) can do about 2000-3100fps, depending on the ammunition and how many grains of gunpowder it has.

the l96a1 is comparable, with around 900m/s to 1000m/s

I won't say there is some chance and luck involved,but 99% of being a good sniper is reducing the influence of that and being consistant no matter the conditions.
gsxrpilot
Member
+6|6967|Cincinnati, Oh

Nagarond.Damminson wrote:

do some reading on carlos hathcock and him winning the Wimbledon Cup. The wind changing is part of the training to get used to it. You cycle your breathing and you watch for the wind to drop or raise by observing the trees and grass. You even have to account for what you are shooting over, whether its a hot surface like exposed rock that can raise air, or a cooler surface that can have the opposite effect. When you have 5 minutes to squeeze off a shot and wait till 10 seconds left before the wind dies down to where you need it to be according to how many ticks you adjusted your scope so that you can hit a 1 inch circle at 1000 yards, that is ownage

the muzzle velocity of the winchester model 70 (which hathcock used) can do about 2000-3100fps, depending on the ammunition and how many grains of gunpowder it has.

the l96a1 is comparable, with around 900m/s to 1000m/s

I won't say there is some chance and luck involved,but 99% of being a good sniper is reducing the influence of that and being consistant no matter the conditions.
Right on the money........nice post.

+1
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7037|California

ive read so many books on Carlos Hathcock, its not even funny.
Lestat<CoN>
Didnt Do it
+9|7021

gsxrpilot wrote:

HellHead wrote:

I wish some of you guys would have had the experience of facing somebody eye to eye, who really killed another soldier with a sniper rifle. Who really saw the head of another human being exploding in their scope.

I bet you would talk a bit differently and less lightheaded about something serious like this. Something I will never forget when I made that experience. I never saw human eyes with that much coldness and death in them.
The man speaks the truth.............

I was in the Marine Corps from 97-02 as a Scout Sniper.

I was sent to Egypt in 00' for training.  Long story short, we started taking mortar rounds in the camp.  Turns out that somebody didn't like us being there.  I was sent out with my spotter to find the mortar crew and eliminate them.  ( We had a good idea where they were through recon)  It took us the better part of 9 hours to get into a position right below the top of a ridge-line to where we could see them.  It was 3 guys............obviously not from any organized military unit.  My spotter and I discussed which one would be best to take out first.  We came to the conclusion that the one that was actually dropping the mortar rounds in the tube was going to be first as the other two seemed like they really weren't sure what to do.

My spotter calls the wind..........Calls the distance...........and then I hear the words that I thought/hoped I would never have to hear........"Fire at will........."

I've got to be honest...........when I looked through the scope and saw another human life at the end of it, I had second thoughts.......just for a split second, but then reality set back in...........I had to do it.  Many Marines lives depended on it.  Steady squeeze.............................BOOM!!!  (Mind you, this was a .50 cal. sniper rifle).  After the dust settled, I looked back through my scope to see the other two running away as fast as they could, while their buddy lay there with his head basically missing.  I can't describe the feelings that I felt, but I can tell you that taking another human life is no joke.  It has the power to change you instantly.

I know this was kind of a long read, and I apologize, but it's just something for you to think about............


Semper Fi
I have done the Sniper training and served for a small time here and i can tell you that is one moment i am glad to never have had as i was raised to respect the sanctity of life but i knew if and when it came down to it i would pull my trigger not because of the training but the knowledge that if i didnt my brothers would die instead so i have the upmost respect for the Sniper who has faced the enemy and done his duty and i can tell you you sign up to fight for your country and learn to fight for the men who become your brothers.

Hathcock is a man i doubt will ever be matched in ability and stature i was told of a shot where he dropped a VC puching a bike loaded with weapons at a distance that his spotter told him to forget it (the part of what the spotter said isnt verifed but the drop was by a patrol of Marines.

To the snipers who serve this day all i will say is Aim True and Squeeze Softly and come home safe.
Nagarond.Damminson
Member
+16|7074
nice lestat, and you are right. Hathcock didnt serve for glory, and he didnt go back out again and again for the pleasure of killing, he did it because every guy he took out was one less guy who could hurt a fellow marine.

+1

hathcock = the man

Also the only marine to have a building/vessel named after him while he was still alive
Dogfood Enforcer
Member
+4|6980
longest kill by a sniper was by a canadian in afghanistan. 2.4km (about 1.5 miles)!!! that is pretty f*cking sweet.

the guy didnt even take credit for it at first, as he didnt view it as anything spectacular and he was just doing his job, but once the media found out who did it he said, "yeah, it was me..." and left it at that.

then him and his squad were tossed out of the canadian army because one of them made a sign saying the afghani got "owned" or something along those lines.lol. and supposedley one of them cut off a finger...but they never found any evidence of that.
Harmonics
A stabbing fatality
+22|6820
This thread is very interesting for myself, as If I do ever enter the military it will be as a sniper. I was all set and ready to go off for training when I was just 16, fresh out of school but then I got offered a place in a football academy thing that meant I could have a good chance of a scholarship in an American University.

However, I am thinking of joining the military now.
The_Guardsman
Tally Ho!!
+81|7062|I'm not sure.... Buts its dark

Harmonics wrote:

This thread is very interesting for myself, as If I do ever enter the military it will be as a sniper. I was all set and ready to go off for training when I was just 16, fresh out of school but then I got offered a place in a football academy thing that meant I could have a good chance of a scholarship in an American University.

However, I am thinking of joining the military now.
Get educated first mate, then go joiin the forces. You need something to fall back on if it all goes wrong.
Nagarond.Damminson
Member
+16|7074
lestat, the shot you were refering to about the vc humping the bike was done with a Browning M2 .50 BMG machine gun mounting a telescopic sight. The distance was 2,286 meters (2,500 yards). He saw the kid humping the bike with two bags of what looked like weapons, so hathcock sent one shot and knocked the guy off of the bike and folded it in half, then the kid made the mistake of picking up one of the weapons and loading a clip in it, confirming that he was transporting weapons, thats when hathcock made hamburger of him.

It stood until the canadians in afghanistan broke the record, but theres no comparrison between them and hathcock, since hathcock was one of the first to start utilizing the 50cal for sniping purposes.

a lot of things on snipers derive from hathcock. In saving private ryan where the sniper put a bullet through the scope of the other sniper, that was based from a true event from hathcock's experiences.

Last edited by Nagarond.Damminson (2006-08-08 06:33:37)

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