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james@alienware wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

james@alienware wrote:

Whyyyyy?

coz u are teh fanboyz

Shhhh ninja boy!



Alienware's are teh sex but i would still buy a custom PC now if i had the chance...!

you lose at life
alienware sucks ... < period

Before you decide AMD or Intel you should read this article over at Anandtech. 

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sh … spx?i=2795

It's a pretty sane look at Intel's Conroe chips (core 2) which just hit the shelves. Its 19 pages though, here is a summary below

Intel's Core 2 Extreme X6800 didn't lose a single benchmark in our comparison; not a single one. In many cases, the $183 Core 2 Duo E6300 actually outperformed Intel's previous champ: the Pentium Extreme Edition 965. In one day, Intel has made its entire Pentium D lineup of processors obsolete. Intel's Core 2 processors offer the sort of next-generation micro-architecture performance leap that we honestly haven't seen from Intel since the introduction of the P6.

Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 X2 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance. The Core 2 Extreme X6800, Core 2 Duo E6700 and E6600 were pretty consistently in the top 3 or 4 spots in each benchmark, with the E6600 offering better performance than AMD's FX-62 flagship in the vast majority of benchmarks. Another way of looking at it is that Intel's Core 2 Duo E6600 is effectively a $316 FX-62, which doesn't sound bad at all.

I'm an AMD fan for years now but if I were building a new rig I'd be seriously considering Core 2.  My only reservation at this point would be the maturity of the motherboards and drivers this early on.

As far as the ATI Nvidia question (ATI fan myself), despite what people say both are very competitive at the top of thier lines. Buy a top of the line card from either and you will NOT be disappointed.

Last edited by ShotYourSix (2006-07-18 08:37:10)

ShotYourSix wrote:

Before you decide AMD or Intel you should read this article over at Anandtech. 

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sh … spx?i=2795

It's a pretty sane look at Intel's Conroe chips (core 2) which just hit the shelves. Its 19 pages though, here is a summary below

Intel's Core 2 Extreme X6800 didn't lose a single benchmark in our comparison; not a single one. In many cases, the $183 Core 2 Duo E6300 actually outperformed Intel's previous champ: the Pentium Extreme Edition 965. In one day, Intel has made its entire Pentium D lineup of processors obsolete. Intel's Core 2 processors offer the sort of next-generation micro-architecture performance leap that we honestly haven't seen from Intel since the introduction of the P6.

Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 X2 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance. The Core 2 Extreme X6800, Core 2 Duo E6700 and E6600 were pretty consistently in the top 3 or 4 spots in each benchmark, with the E6600 offering better performance than AMD's FX-62 flagship in the vast majority of benchmarks. Another way of looking at it is that Intel's Core 2 Duo E6600 is effectively a $316 FX-62, which doesn't sound bad at all.

I'm an AMD fan for years now but if I were building a new rig I'd be seriously considering Core 2.  My only reservation at this point would be the maturity of the motherboards and drivers this early on.

As far as the ATI Nvidia question (ATI fan myself), despite what people say both are very competitive at the top of thier lines. Buy a top of the line card from either and you will NOT be disappointed.

The problem is that they turn the other settings off or down.  Yes, when you want to benchmark a CPU in gaming you don't want to have the video card become a bottleneck, but the settings used do not tend to reflect the actual settings that people will use when they game.  Once you actually turn on the AA/AF and other settings that most people take advantage of, especially after spending $400+ on a new high-end card, the speed becomes mostly determined by video card speed, not CPU speed.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.h … VzaWFzdA==

There is a guy on these forums called "max" he has built me 2 great machines. Look for him and ask for help. But if I where you I would wait for conroe that comes out on the 27th. Thats what Im waiting for.

puckmercury wrote:

M1-Lightning wrote:

I own a Dell and love it.

Your Dell would lose to any solidly built custom rig, so would nearly any Alienware ... in price and performance.

Hey, cyborg, have you heard anything about this "Conroe" thing?  I think AMD is coming out with it or something ........

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Conroe is an intel core that is suppoesdly going to be godly. Does none notice that it's probboly going to cost $1000+?

puckmercury wrote:

yes I know that.  I was being sarcastic as Cyborg seems to have a slight obsession with it.  They are initially releasing the Extreme Edition, so yeah - get ready to sell your first born I'd imagine.

Ha, ok.

I remember what happened last time I was told that something would be released in the next few weeks...

Next thing I know, Half Life 2 got delayed another year and a half

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

get conroe, get conroe, get conroe,

is that all you know how to say?

Defiance wrote:

Conroe is an intel core that is suppoesdly going to be godly. Does none notice that it's probboly going to cost $1000+?

Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800  2.93GHz   4MB        $999
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700        2.66GHz   4MB         $530
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+      2.6GHz     512KBx2 $403*
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600        2.40GHz   4MB        $316
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+      2.4GHz    512KBx2  $301*
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+      2.2GHz    512KBx2  $240*
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400        2.13GHz   2MB        $224
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300        1.86GHz   2MB        $183
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+      2.0GHz    512KBx2  $169*
Intel Pentium D 945             3.40GHz   2MBx2     $163
Intel Pentium D 915             2.80GHz   2MBx2     $133
Intel Pentium D 820             2.80GHz   1MBx2     $113
Intel Pentium D 805             2.66GHz   1MBx2     $93


Yeah, close to a grand at the top end but that E6600 is looking pretty sweet at $316.  Not a bad price for a cpu that can hang with an FX62.

EDIT:  By the way for any who were not aware, Conroe was intel's code name for these new chips.  the marketing name is Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme.  I know that's confused a lot of people.  Conroe = Core 2

Last edited by ShotYourSix (2006-07-18 18:13:03)

At this point in the game, I would wait.  Is it worth a month or so to be sure you get the best bang for your buck?  Let the new intels start rolling out and see how the off the shelf ones get reviewed (as well as the price points).

Ok, so If I have a 20 in monitor(Im running a 17in right now but Ill get a new one within a year. What proccesor should I get.

Why are people saying amd.
Wait for conroe and it will make amd look like dog shit on a hot summer day.
Search in google and find the benchmarks, conroe beat amd on every test and conroe also set some world records.