BF2S Forums Commander Macro Spotting

Sarrk wrote:

petethecheese wrote:

Macros. Almost cheating, isn't it?  Binding keys to do something the game wasn't designed for=change to the game mechanics=cheating.  Just my penny's worth

Not really, it only crosses the line when its used to violate game mechanics and exploit, eg, making a macro for you to C4 chuck all the time or Dolphin dive, having one to click multiple times is not

I haven't had the pleasure (sarcasm) of this yet so please correct me if I have the wrong idea, but isn't it effectively providing every member of your team with a constant, personal UAV, whether or not the other team has destroyed your UAV or not.

What part of it is not cheating?

Yes, I understand the commander could theoretically spot every enemy manually (maybe even possible on a small map), but no HUMAN can, and I don't think we all love this game because computers (MACRO's) are so fun to play against. Using the PC to do your job is cheating.

Having said that, I also agree that spammed spotting would drive me nuts / give me the shits / be counter-productive (people ignoring relevant spots) / and get in the way of communication. Most of all though, think about some psychology, a real person, giving useful spots only, and actually updating the team on tactics in a human voice, will always make the team work together much better. No I'm not a psychologist.

So yeah, give me strategic spotting, talk to the team about what you want done (overall battle view - thats what you are there for) and in return I'll mostly follow your attack / defend / repair orders etc. But spam using a macro and I'll vote for a mutiny every time.

Thoughtful disagreement welcomed.

Last edited by Moggle (2006-07-14 05:30:21)

--->[Your]Phobia<--- wrote:

The way I see it I dont give a sh*t about what other players say. I carry on doing what i'm suppose to do, and if that means enemy Infantry spoted, so be it...

That’s true in a sense.
But you have to adapt to the environment, if your best squads uses one type of tactics more then you need to support that one. If they want you to be conservative with the spotting and only spot dangerous enemies and use VOIP to order them around, and you spam, then they might leave or change team. It also works the other way around.

Noting is actually wrong or right, it’s about what is best at the moment and what the majority of the good players want.

I must stress the fact that the VOIP in conjunction with the command tool is far superior to Only using the command tool, like spotting and mark new orders etc. There is nothing that can unify a team more then the use of the VOIP, and a united team with a sense of community is lethal.

To get a “You are the best squad…” and a new order via the command tool compared to get a real human voice in your ears saying stuff like, “Excellent, good work squad 4 and 6, now clear out the two enemy soldiers at the bottom floor and head towards the hotel. And take out the sniper on the crane!” is an easy pick for me.
Needless to say, the three enemies would also be spotted by the commander.


The power the VOIP gives is awesome, not only the direction of a spotted enemy but also the location in height etc. “He is on the roof”, “between the fence and the building that the APC spawns at”, “hiding behind the UAV” etc etc.

And if you ask for a supply drop and it’s not loaded yet, and you get an in game “No aircraft is available..” and then the commander saying “10 sec left to recharge the supply drop” or maybe “Sorry, I have another supply request waiting in line before yours”.
That’s all you need to know to decide if to wait or head towards the new target.

And if you have squads that begin to see the light on the battlefield, then you don’t have to spot so much. Example:
“Squad 2, we have an enemy at the factory, can you clear him out?”

“Ok, no problem, can you drop a car for us?”

“Commander, can you re-spot the enemy at the factory, he has timed out”

*Spotting the enemy..*
“Squad 2, he is on the small roof at the flag”


Or if one of the soldier in a squad see a threat and relay the information via his squad leader to you.

“Squad 6 here, we have seen about 5 enemies on the ridge heading towards the TV-Station, ther last location is question marked”

"Råger that, tanks for te info"

*spotting the enemies*
"Squad 2, can you inform your helo pilot and clear out the enemies on the ridge?"

*replying with an in game "yes sir"*
"Yo UberPilot, can you take out the enemies on the ridge at the TV-Station?"

"jawohl, easy tarrget"


Commanders and Squads that act like that make this game so fun to play.
When I’m in a team that plays like that I Don’t want to quit and go too sleep.



/Toxic

Last edited by T0xicboy (2006-07-14 06:16:55)

T0xicboy wrote:

Commanders and Squads that act like that make this game so fun to play.
When I’m in a team that plays like that I Don’t want to quit and go too sleep.



/Toxic

yeah but how often do you find a server full of players that want to play like that? instead of running around like idiots not listening to or trying to help anyone but themselves?

Fag capturing?

Anyway, spotting is best done in moderation, like most things, as it is distracting for the majority of players.  What I would really like to see is a volume control for the radio alone, or just the ability to mute the radio stuff and depend on the text.  The former would be best for me, because I do need info provided by radio, but sometimes....not so much as the commander is giving.

Last edited by InnerMonkey (2006-07-14 06:47:44)

petethecheese wrote:

Macros. Almost cheating, isn't it?  Binding keys to do something the game wasn't designed for=change to the game mechanics=cheating.  Just my penny's worth

IMO, macros are indeed a form of cheating, just EA can't really do anything about it.

FFLink13 wrote:

so you dont find it annoying when all you here is:

"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy armor spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"

it pisses me off.

lol, nyte dont get mad, its pubbing. which means you will have to deal with idiots all the time.

Amusing.
When I command, I don't spot every person on the enemy team.  Like others have said, that is counterproductive.  The people will just ignore you and then nothing gets done.  The best way to be a successful is to alert squads and lonewolves of enemy infantry and/or tanks/apc's/yadda yadda without being annoying to the point were they don't care what you say.  Most people just want to play the game without being annoyed with mindless chatter.  I spot often but I don't spot every second.  I find that if you communicate via VOIP instead of constantly spotting people, things get done quicker and more effeciently.

~Solar~Fire~ wrote:

Perhaps Dice could just release a new sound effect for the commander spotting. Instead of the whole babble, it could just be "infantry" or "tank" and in a quiter, softer voice. That way commanders could spot to their hearts content and it wouldn't be annoying.

make your own sounds and replace the other sound files... You can make it some beeping sound, so that you notice at all, and check the map before moving on...

lazy buggers stop using Macros and do it the old fashioned way >(

I scan, then spot Jets/tanks/Apcs

UAV in the middle of the map depending if its sharqi or karkand

Ubersturmbannfuhrer wrote:

FFLink13 wrote:

so you dont find it annoying when all you here is:

"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy armor spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"
"enemy infantry spotted!"

it pisses me off.

Yap, especially when its  arabic!!!!

Amen! Is it just me or is it even louder (and hence automatically more irritating IMO).

Why is everyone ignoring the fact its Stat Padding?