BF2S Forums The News in America/ Conflict between EU and USA growing?

Sadly you are right Mars. I'm from Canada and it is trully amazing the news they feed to people. The bulk of that story was that there was a problem with the imigrants in France, not the problems with the way the french govenment has handed things over the last 20 years. Every nation has its problems but don't be fooled. Most news is fabricated to "someones" liking and released. I'll leave it at that. This topic could get very ugly.

Yeah... Bill O'Reilly is probably one of the most biased 'reporters' there are, not to mention that he is just a big fat jackass. I don't know how he keeps finding people to come on his show because if they say *ANYTHING* at all that he doesn't agree with/cannot refute then he just tells them to shutup and pulls their mic.

Hey,

I agree 110% that americans are fed a bunch of crap on the news, but let me ask you this, do you think countries in the EU are any more objective when covering the United States? I'll be the first to admit we do plenty of things to stir the pot ourselves, but when iw as in Europe recently recruiting I thought the news was comical when it came to reporting on the United States. Door swings both ways, and you'll find media everywhere is slanted and liberal (and I'm even a liberal myself!) but it is as bad if not worse in Europe.

uh, killa... if you can't get BBC world news "here in america" than how were you watching it to have this epiphony in the first place?

First off you have to understand the source. Fox News is about the most biased news source you can find and the Americans who think for themselves know it to be true. They present a very biased right wing view of the world, which is quite different from the very biased left wing view most news sources present to Americans.

I've found ( and my friends with me ) that the only way to get the whole story on world events is to search the web for international news sources.

However, don't believe that they aren't biased as well. I have seen many stories presented to the EU about America that simply are not true.

The best thing to do is to read ALL the sources you can find then draw your own conclusions. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know who is presenting the "facts" and who is presenting outright fiction.

As for Hillary Clinton, well, if the Democrats think she can win the Presidency then they deserve to lose another election. Let's face it folks, she has no chance at all and to run her would be handing the Presidency right back to the Republicans.

Is it just me or are the Dems too far left and the Reps too far right for everyones tastes???

My father in law LOVES the Republicans but he spent an hour today telling me how evil Harry Potter is and how the new movie depicts hell is a favorable way. Now I havent seen the movie but Ive read all the Potter books and not once did Harry ever go to hell in the books sooooo....once again my father in law the FAR FAR FAR bible thumping epitome of what is wrong with this country was talking out of his...hrrrmmm.....again.

Personally, I think the conservative democrats and the liberal republicans ought to get together and form a new political party that will do right by Americans. I'm sooooo sick of the hot button issues every elction: Gay Marriage, School vouchers, Abortion, blah blah blah. Why can't they deal with the REAL issues like the fact that 5% of the country controls 95% of the wealth and they are moving it OUT of the country. Or the fact that Nafta screwed us and now Cafta is going to do the same by moving more and more American jobs out of the country. A redistribution of the wealth is a bad thing, but preserving the American job base is what the government should be most concerned about. After all, once we are all living below the poverty level ( 1 out of 3 children now live below the poverty level in America ) there wont be any consumers to make the rich richer.

bah sorry got lost on a tangent

/rant

Actually he's considered a political journalist. Why? Because he works for a news service. And therefore is listened to by some Americans who believe he is reputable news source. These are the same Americans who believe that Rush Limbaugh is a reputable news source as well.

Please remember that ALOT of Americans believe that the Republicans literally stole the last two elections ( though the evidence really only points to the 2000 election as being a set up. ) And the polarization of the two extremes is coming to a head here.

Bill O'Rielly is just another of the many voices in America that spread the same old America is great, everyone else sucks propaganda.

That being said, America IS great. We don't have people leaving America in rafts trying to get to another country.

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, Bush's cronies are showing exactly how bad America can be. Unfortunately, because it shakes the average Americans faith in our system and shows the rest of the world that just because democracy is the best system of government the world has come up with, it still has it's monumental flaws, especially in a representational democracy. Fortunately, because as we find flaws in the system America has ( historically ) been very good at fixing those flaws, albeit gradually.

Our greatest flaws now are our press' shift towards extreme partisanism and the international corprotization of our government, which, in my opinion, is our biggest national issue, though our polititians will never admit it, because to be elected in this country, you absolutely MUST have corporate sponsership. Some would call it corporate campaign contributions, but I prefer the corporate sponsership term as it is more applicable, as it covers both the campaign contributions and the straight up bribes issued to our politicians, before and after elections, in order to get corporate favorable legislation passed.

bill o'reilley is an asshat.fox news sucks.the bush admin will soon end but not soon enough.

Yes sir, i can boogie!

I think this problem is about the rumor that there are secret CIA prisons in europe where CIA agents torture terrorist suspects.
Rice said the US don't torture suspects however she didn't mention that the secret CIA prisons don't exist.
It would be very rude indeed when even the european leaders dont know anything about the existence of these prisons.
but untill now it still remains a rumour

Sh1fty2k5 wrote:

Bush will be kicked off soon. Hope theyll get Clinton back.

LOL that's funny!  You obviously don't know how our system works.  A presidnet in the US can only serve two terms.  Bush is in his second term and can't run for reelection.  The only way he can be "kicked off" would be impeachment, which I doubt will happen.  Clinton has already served his two terms, and can't come back.

Horseman 77 wrote:

Right Real Americans Get there News from NPR Go hillary Go !

Looks like we have an O'Reilly/Faux News fan here.

people aren't always so rational, and when torture occurs it's not always to extract information. the feeling of empowerment for the guard/interrogator and humiliation for the prisoner can be reason enough to torture. i highly doubt what happened at abu ghraib was an isolated incident. the stanford prison experiment is a classic study of social psychology, in which college students PRETENDED to be prison guards and inmates. very quickly they sank into the roles and the guards became abusive, even though they had no real power and the 'inmates' had done nothing wrong. in this case, there was no information to extract in the first place. so i don't believe for a second that the CIA refrains from torture just because it doesn't work.

http://www.prisonexp.org/

the USA admits to using sleep deprivation, while simultaneous maintaining that it does not torture. sleep deprivation, however, is torture because it does lead to physical and mental damage, and ultimately death if prolonged to such a degree.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3376951.stm

moreover, have you considered the means by which prisoners are kept awake? light and sound stimulation aren't enough past a certain degree of fatigue. the answer, of course, is pain. that constitutes torture in my book.

i don't care that the USA tortures prisoners. it's just the way the world operates. but i do wish they would have the balls to own up to it.

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Raimius Ftw !

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