nounnamednewbie13 wrote:
Pretty much all of my posts in this thread were something to say on the subject or comments on other opinions.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
can't deny them that. they have their own children - they get to fuck them up if they choose so. still wouldn't allow them to do any public promotion of their condition though.BVC wrote:
So what about those gay couples who choose to use surrogate mothers or (lesbians) have IVF treatment?Shahter wrote:
their condition severely affects psychological and behavioral aspects of their reproductive function. in cases when that happens with other biological functions - like already mentioned color blindness or flat feet - that usually means it's an impairment. what's so special about homosexuality that it shouldn't be treated the same way?
by bringing up surrogate mothers and ivf - ways to compensate for inability to do certain stuff - you have just agreed with me that homosexuality is an impairment."Impairment" refers to ability, not desire.
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
And Barack Obama isn't the US President.Shahter wrote:
nounnamednewbie13 wrote:
Pretty much all of my posts in this thread were something to say on the subject or comments on other opinions.
Are people impaired that had bad childhoods and don't want to have kids? What about people who just don't like kids and don't want any of their own?Shahter wrote:
their condition severely affects psychological and behavioral aspects of their reproductive function. in cases when that happens with other biological functions - like already mentioned color blindness or flat feet - that usually means it's an impairment. what's so special about homosexuality that it shouldn't be treated the same way?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
All that it means is that gay couples can't have children with each other. Theres no negative impact on society there, and when they do decide to go surrogate/IVF/adoption, its 100% planned and thus they can manage the impact of a child on their lives/family/society better. I'm not really sure I'd call that an impairment.Shahter wrote:
can't deny them that. they have their own children - they get to fuck them up if they choose so. still wouldn't allow them to do any public promotion of their condition though.
by bringing up surrogate mothers and ivf - ways to compensate for inability to do certain stuff - you have just agreed with me that homosexuality is an impairment.
Somewhat related, look at what this priest did to try and cure boys of homosexuality:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09/11 … in-prison/
If you can't be bothered reading, he literally tried to rid boys of homosexuality by raping them.
depends on if those people have developed any actual psychosis which is considered a pathology.Jay wrote:
Are people impaired that had bad childhoods and don't want to have kids?Shahter wrote:
their condition severely affects psychological and behavioral aspects of their reproductive function. in cases when that happens with other biological functions - like already mentioned color blindness or flat feet - that usually means it's an impairment. what's so special about homosexuality that it shouldn't be treated the same way?
what about them? it's their personal matter if they want children or not and as long as they do not go out and start preaching their dislike of children to others i don't see a problem.What about people who just don't like kids and don't want any of their own?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
just as in the case of infertile heterosexual couples - which is considered an impairment, no?BVC wrote:
All that it means is that gay couples can't have children with each other.Shahter wrote:
can't deny them that. they have their own children - they get to fuck them up if they choose so. still wouldn't allow them to do any public promotion of their condition though.
by bringing up surrogate mothers and ivf - ways to compensate for inability to do certain stuff - you have just agreed with me that homosexuality is an impairment.
regardless of any of this, when people have to use artificial stuff to compensate for their inability to make use of one of their biological functions i call that an impairment.Theres no negative impact on society there, and when they do decide to go surrogate/IVF/adoption, its 100% planned and thus they can manage the impact of a child on their lives/family/society better. I'm not really sure I'd call that an impairment.
what does that have to do with anything we discuss here? i never said that homosexuality needs to be "cured", i simply said if should not be promoted. as does the new law everybody's been going "zomg! abuse!" about.Somewhat related, look at what this priest did to try and cure boys of homosexuality:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09/11 … in-prison/
If you can't be bothered reading, he literally tried to rid boys of homosexuality by raping them.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
In many senses yes.Jay wrote:
Are people impaired that had bad childhoods and don't want to have kids? What about people who just don't like kids and don't want any of their own?
I'd say people whose instinct for procreation is directed at the wrong sex are impaired to to some extent.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Why should homosexuality not be promoted? What are you worried about? Sorry, I can't be bothered reading through 13 pages of this non-sense, a summation or self-quote will suffice.
Why should bestiality not be promoted?
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Because bestiality is a non-consentual sexual relationship?
You've never had a dog rub against your leg then?
google peanut butter and labradors perhaps?
google peanut butter and labradors perhaps?
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Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Yes yes, there are hypothetical cases where you could imagine that an animal would have consented to sex but there is little way for the animal itself to confirm this to its potential human partner, and should consent be in question, the animal would not be able to communicate its views to a jury. And let's be honest, how do you see the power-balance in an animal-human relationship, and in what percentage of animal-human sexual relations do you think the animal's consent is seriously taken into consideration? Anything but a blanket ban is implausible.
Either way, I don't see how this is relevant to homosexuality.
edit - I do get your point, ideas of sexual normativity, but if your argument is that bestiality should be considered okay, I don't see how this disputes an argument that homosexuality should as well. If you're arguing that bestiality is not okay, it means nothing.
Either way, I don't see how this is relevant to homosexuality.
edit - I do get your point, ideas of sexual normativity, but if your argument is that bestiality should be considered okay, I don't see how this disputes an argument that homosexuality should as well. If you're arguing that bestiality is not okay, it means nothing.
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because it is an impairing condition that can be influenced in people via social means.Jenspm wrote:
Why should homosexuality not be promoted?
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
there should be less people anyway. more gays, i says.
please explain what you mean by "influenced in people via social means"Shahter wrote:
because it is an impairing condition that can be influenced in people via social means.Jenspm wrote:
Why should homosexuality not be promoted?
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
sexuality it not black and white - it a whole spectrum of conditions of complex nature which has many aspects, some of which - psychological and social - make it possible to influence people towards either end of the spectrum.
basically, it's possible to turn some people gay.
basically, it's possible to turn some people gay.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
so have you ever thought about sucking dick shahter?Shahter wrote:
basically, it's possible to turn some people gay.
its ok shahter.
Those guys in that video are 100%, completely, undeniably mentally sound.
No mental illness there at all.
No mental illness there at all.
There is a strong influence from society on gay people to become straight in order to achieve some sort of arbitrary normality and it results in misery and broken families. But there is almost zero pressure in this manner on straight people to become gay, no matter how many TV shows, parades, and days of legislation "promote" the matter. If something influences you to be gay (e: and I'm not talking about just experimenting), I'm pretty sure there was something hiding in the closet all along that outweighed your heterosexuality.
Straights accusing gay people of trying to manipulate others into being gay is hypocrisy at its finest.
Straights accusing gay people of trying to manipulate others into being gay is hypocrisy at its finest.
unless they*re sucked into it . . .
Was that an innuendo?