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the police don't store all of the information. they don't have the data capacity, nor are they intending to. i've spoken on here before in the past about how a friend's dad is actually one of these shadowy people that works in a position that 'doesn't exist' for a major telecomms company. they have a danger-word blacklist that is brought up. not the same thing as indiscriminately saving all photos, videos, website log-in info, etc. our intelligence services don't have the resources and, frankly, with the ECHR, they never will. as for the police's involvement... i have first-hand experience of this, and know that the police are even more resource strapped than the state-level services and bureaucracy. no police force at any level has the time, effort, money, or inclination to sift through your average street drug-users or online bullies phone texts. just doesn't happen.

and yes aussie, everyone knows this is from the patriot act. nobody is saying this is new. just a new scoop on the extent of it nowadays - i.e. complete and total surveillance, at a whim, with no guilt or reasonable suspicion. also if you want to be technically historical about it, obama stressed the reauthorization of the patriot act and signed off on a load of measures that made it even more draconian. obama has rolled over on his democratic principles time and time again on this count (just like with drones). so yes, i don't really want to make this a partisan thing.

and medium, you should really look up "negative liberty". it's a concept that's pretty important to western liberal democracies. to everyone saying "why should i be worried if i don't do anything wrong?", that is badly misreading what liberalism is all about. you are giving the state far too much power. if they came around and said they were going to install a camera in every single one of your home's rooms, but "don't worry, it'll only go off if you do something wrong", would you be comfortable? that's a very odd definition of 'freedom'.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-06-07 01:35:02)

yeah you can't even say this was a congress/supreme court thing. obama sat down and re-signed the patriot act in his own hand-writing.

Cybargs wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

yeah you can't even say this was a congress/supreme court thing. obama sat down and re-signed the patriot act in his own hand-writing.

people voted for obama because they thought he would be different in every aspect in america's foreign policy, yet he's just bush 2.0

He's worse. You could at least say the Bush administration didn't fully understand what their policies would look like 7 years later; implementation is different from theory. Obama on the other hand has had the benefit of being able to see the stuff in action, and decided to make it even worse with NDAA etc.

The two people I would like to castrate most in this world are Obama and McCain. The 2008 election really was a choice between two evils and I really don't know which one is worse. They both seem to enjoy the permanent war footing, and the power that gives them, immensely.

eh, i'm looking and maddow seems to have basically devoted the entire show to this

so this is floating around the twitter echo-chamber right now... pretty funny thought. SPEARHEAD will surely like:



note microsoft are the very first major company to sign up to this PRISM data-harvesting privacy-snooping thing.



always-on/passive listening kinect on the xbox one?

SPEARHEAD!!!

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

yeah you can't even say this was a congress/supreme court thing. obama sat down and re-signed the patriot act in his own hand-writing.

people voted for obama because they thought he would be different in every aspect in america's foreign policy, yet he's just bush 2.0

He's worse. You could at least say the Bush administration didn't fully understand what their policies would look like 7 years later; implementation is different from theory. Obama on the other hand has had the benefit of being able to see the stuff in action, and decided to make it even worse with NDAA etc.

The two people I would like to castrate most in this world are Obama and McCain. The 2008 election really was a choice between two evils and I really don't know which one is worse. They both seem to enjoy the permanent war footing, and the power that gives them, immensely.

Bush created most of the evil though.

I still think it's hilarious that the one politician that basically said he was against all the shit you people hate was laughed at and the one guy who said he would change things and failed to do so is defended.


Ron Paul's Ghost 2016.

Spearhead wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

always-on/passive listening kinect on the xbox one?

SPEARHEAD!!!

I think the engineers at microsoft went out of their way to make the red circular sensor look exactly like HAL 9000.  They probably did it at first as a joke, then no one at microsoft was smart enough to say "wait a minute" and here we are.  The Kinect is cool in that the angle of the entire body actually adjusts, so a little motor makes it go up and down depending on if youre standing up or sitting.  It will be very trippy to be watching 2001 with some friends whove never seen it before only to have them look 2 feet down and see THE EXACT SAME RED CIRCLE looking at them

bit of an aside, but i hate the whole design principle. in the news recently that a kickstarter project got its funding for a 'full body' simulation, too. like an actual cage you stand in and run on the spot. hate it. i don't want games to become movement based. i want to sit on my arse and play tf2 without needing to break a sweat.

bahahahaha

Macbeth wrote:

I think it is strange that people are angry at the government for having all of this info but don't mind a corporation having it. People need to think about that.

it's probably the fact corporations don't have the power to come and arrest you in the middle of the night.

lesser of two evils.

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I think it is strange that people are angry at the government for having all of this info but don't mind a corporation having it. People need to think about that.

it's probably the fact corporations don't have the power to come and arrest you in the middle of the night.

lesser of two evils.

Yet.

Macbeth wrote:

Still FB shouldn't be able to keep all of your info and sell it. The phone company shouldn't keep your phone records too. What if these companies volunteered the info or sold it to the government?

I know people are going to say that you shouldn't use the service if you don't want to play by their rules but you cannot survive today without a home phone for instance. We are sort of captive consumers.

I also find it strange that people are so quick to come to the defense of the companies with a "too bad, their rules". Whatever happened to demanding something better as a consumer? Why is it looked down upon now?

Yes, facebook should just develop their software, make regular updates and maintain servers for one of the busiest websites in the world FOR FUCKING FREE.