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Ty
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+2,398|5859|Noizyland

Ain't that the truth.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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AussieReaper wrote:

Ty wrote:

Innocent until proven guilty is not really relevant here.
What?

If YouTube hosts copyright infringement files, they pay the uploader for the number of views too. It's only taken down when they are requested. Nothing happens to the uploader. YouTube owners aren't arrested.

How are YouTube not an illegal racketeering company also?

Megaupload also took down files upon request.

To say innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply is ludicrously dangerous precedent to set.
you could argue that youtube is primarily for just watching content while MU was only for distributing copies
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-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|4558|Ventura, California
No you couldn't. A person can use megaupload for thousands of non-copyright infringing reasons. Especially people into making media of sorts like photography, montages of various genres, etc.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|4786|College Park, MD
well I'm fucking mad now because these sons of bitches took down megarotic too. now how am I gonna download this video???????
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Cheeky_Ninja06
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+52|5817|Cambridge, England
Anything you view on your pc you have downloaded. Any copyrighted picture you look at has been download to your pc, otherwise you wouldn't be able to see it. If it is completely illegal to download copyrighted content then you cannot have copyrighted content on the internet. No songs, no professional photos, no articles, no journals, no company logos no anything. Nobody has yet come up with a way to differentiate this useage, hell look how shite their law proposals currently are. Its a waste of time.

It doesn't work.
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|4568|Bolingbrook, Illinois
The real reason megaupload was taken down.

In December of 2011, just weeks before the takedown, Digital Music News reported on something new that the creators of #Megaupload were about to unroll. Something that would rock the music industry to its core. (http://goo.gl/A7wUZ)

I present to you... MegaBox. MegaBox was going to be an alternative music store that was entirely cloud-based and offered artists a better money-making opportunity than they would get with any record label.

"UMG knows that we are going to compete with them via our own music venture called Megabox.com, a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations directly to consumers while allowing artists to keep 90 percent of earnings," MegaUpload founder Kim 'Dotcom' Schmitz told Torrentfreak

Not only did they plan on allowing artists to keep 90% of their earnings on songs that they sold, they wanted to pay them for songs they let users download for free.

"We have a solution called the Megakey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."
crazy news
Macbeth
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News = | = google+ post

Random google+ post has about as much creditability as I do about the Megaupload shutdown. Which is none.
Macbeth
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You don't say?
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|4568|Bolingbrook, Illinois
try clicking on the URL within the article?  lol.

more stuff, directly from kim dotcom:

http://torrentfreak.com/from-rogue-to-v … om-111218/
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|4558|Ventura, California
So I hear a lot of people were using mega upload for uploading their files from work for storage and now they're gone. Wonderful...
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|5859|Noizyland

Sucks for them but these things happen. Let's be fair though, those people are as much a victim of Kim Dotcom for failing to protect the integrity of his service as they are of the FBI for shutting it down.

I don't like the people who've romanticised Kim Dotcom and portrayed him as a victim and a hero. Let's be clear about who we're dealing with; this is a guy who's career consists of being convicted for stealing credit card numbers, embezzlement, fraud and insider trading. With Megaupload he provided a standard uploading/downloading service and while I doubt he himself was responsible for uploading any illegal files he sure as Hell profited from others doing it. Dotcom knew the service he was running and he did as little as possible to police it because he knew what his customers were paying him for. As far as I'm concerned this investigation and the shutting down of Megaupload and its affiliates is simply the result of a lifetime of using corrupt means to get rich.

I don't know if current legislation is strong enough to convict Dotcom of anything. I certainly don't think current copyright law would do it and what's more I don't even think he should be convicted of copyright infringement based on current law. To be honest on this count he's no different than the thousands of other rich guys who find technically legal ways to profit from technically illegal activities. That is I imagine why they've flung the net wide and charged him with a number of things - after all Al Capone was finally done in for tax evasion. But the point remains that he is a fucking crook and I am not shedding any tears for him. I'm certainly not throwing my support behind the guy, the only people who seem to be are those who haven't actually learned about the larger situation and are only upset because now they can't download the latest episodes of whatever shit TV show they like.
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BVC
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Charging him with copyright infringement is as ridiculous as charging bars & liquor stores with several counts of drunk driving/assault/etc every weekend just because they sell alcohol, or arresting the manufacturers of small plastic bags because people use them to package drugs.

The NZ government is trying really hard to score a "free" trade agreement with the US.  It is for this reason that they recently pushed through copyright laws which were rejected a few years prior after a somewhat global public outcry, and it is for this reason that Kim Dotcom & co were arrested recently.

Is he dodgy?  Yes he is.  Has he broken any laws with regards to megaupload?  Probably not.  Will that matter?  I highly doubt it.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|5859|Noizyland

Copyright law won't be strong enough to get him for copyright infringement or distributing copyrighted material, it'll be one of his other shady deals that'll get him. I don't think those behind the Megaupload shut-down care as long as he's out of the way - and to be honest I don't begrudge them for that. It's not like Kim Dotcom doesn't deserve it and it's not like it will kill piracy.

There's this guy I really dislike on The Escapist, Jim Sterling. I watched one of his videos that looked at piracy and can't deny that he's right on the money with his criticism of copyright law. At its inception copyright was meant to protect the rights of the creator of original material but the fact that copyrights can be bought and sold means that copyrights are generally held by these powerful groups that generally only exist for the purpose of their own self-advancement, (groups like the MPAA and RIAA for example.) With digital distribution making these guys largely irrelevant these groups are just struggling to keep themselves alive - because what do they actually do any more? They're mouthpieces that claim to protect artists' interests or the industry's interests but they don't, they just try to ensure their own survival. That and claiming all the copyrights they can get their hands on which is a perversion of a system that was meant to protect creators' interests, not the non-creative faceless industry's interests. With these groups unjustly 'owning' material who the Hell are they to claim that people are stealing from them? To steal an analogy it's like a burglar complaining that he got mugged on his way back from ransacking someone's house.
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Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|5774|Tampa Bay Florida
I think it's funny how people are commenting everywhere as if they are legal experts on copyright/international trade laws.  When any kind of law enforcement does these multiyear long investigations, and make high profile arrests, it is usually safe to assume they are confident in their ability to prosecute whoever it is they are going after.  Especially since in this case it involved international cooperation.  Any big fuck ups at this level of sophistication would have severe political ramifications and I imagine someone could even lose their job.  Whether it's the mafia, or some lowlife like Kim Dotcom.  I'm not a cop or lawyer but that's just the way I see it.

Whether or not he is a scapegoat sacrificed for some greater conspiracy, doesn't really matter.

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west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|5473
Kim Dotcom raid video revealed

Published on Aug 8, 2012 by Ernie Smith

Uploaded by Ernie @ http://shortformblog.com/

3NEWS report revealing the nature of the raid on Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom's New Zealand mansion in January — a raid which has become controversial as details have come out.

Report by 3NEWS' John Campbell: http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-What-reall … abid/81...

No copyright infringement intended, uploaded merely to share with Tumblr readers.

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unnamednewbie13
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+1,927|5856|USA

Congratulations government for martyring a prima donna the internet pretty much universally considered a douche.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|5859|Noizyland

I suppose the FBI were concerned that if they tried a more measured approach, i.e. going to Dotcom's place with an arrest warrant, he would block them and stage an escape. He's in New Zealand though, there are precious few places to escape from or to. Anyway they could have had the helicopter and all the special force's dust-gathering equipment on stand-by if things didn't work out. But no, they wanted a dramatic raid to justify their funding and now Dotcom's using it to garner sympathy for himself.

He's running a pretty interesting public relations campaign here actually, trying to come across as the friendly millionaire who was wronged. Invited random strangers to his place for an impromptu party a month or so ago.
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Hurricane2k9
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yeah i'm sure that fat fuck could outrun the FBI
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unnamednewbie13
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It's like they were going after Scarface or something, when all they probably had to do was knock.
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|5817|Cambridge, England

Ty wrote:

I suppose the FBI were concerned that if they tried a more measured approach, i.e. going to Dotcom's place with an arrest warrant, he would block them and stage an escape. He's in New Zealand though, there are precious few places to escape from or to. Anyway they could have had the helicopter and all the special force's dust-gathering equipment on stand-by if things didn't work out. But no, they wanted a dramatic raid to justify their funding and now Dotcom's using it to garner sympathy for himself.

He's running a pretty interesting public relations campaign here actually, trying to come across as the friendly millionaire who was wronged. Invited random strangers to his place for an impromptu party a month or so ago.
I think most people are agreed the man is a knob and a crook however the US are really trying their best to make themselves look as bad as possible.

If there was ever an instance of how not to do it..
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Macbeth
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You guys are acting like they raped his daughters.

Rich guy blatantly breaking international law gets his home raided. Just breaks my heart.
BVC
Member
+325|5780
Blatantly breaking international law?  Pull the other one Macbeth.  If KDC & co were breaking copyright laws, then using the same logic you should conclude that your local council is guilty of speeding, purely by virtue of having supplied the roads on which speeding takes place.

The only reason he has been arrested is because the NZ government has the collective dicks of the US government & a bunch of American corps firmly in it's mouth.  (maybe thats why JK supports gay marriage )

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BVC wrote:

The only reason he has been arrested is because the NZ government has the collective dicks of the US government & a bunch of American corps firmly in it's mouth.  (maybe thats why JK supports gay marriage )

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