BF2S Forums Virgina about to pass law that may force vaginal probe for abortion

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Happens all the time with other tests required before doing a procedure.

Which doesn't make it right.

Because pre-procedural diagnostics are wrong?

They are if the patient doesn't want them, the doctor doesn't need them, they aren't really diagnostic procedures at all and the govt forces them nonetheless.

What's twisted about it? If you're getting knee surgery, you know you'll get x-rays, CTs, or MRIs beforehand. If you don't like those pre-procedure tests, then you can choose to not get knee surgery.

Or you can choose to go ahead with the surgery without those tests, just as women should be allowed to go ahead with an abortion without the govt forcing on them the knowledge of the age of the fetus and that there's a heartbeat.

Whats twisted is you and the Republican party in favour of forcing a particular procedure on women having an abortion but have no interest in the myriad of other hospital procedures.

I guess I now know what a 'right wing libertarian' is though.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2012-02-21 04:26:41)

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, we can always be more creative in our use of the death penalty for mass murderers that actually desire to die.  We could've burned him to death.

The only issue there is the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" thing.  If we modified the cruel part for special cases, then we could truly make an example out of people like McVeigh.

Which would achieve little except to give Sh1fty and lowing hard-ons.

Keeping mass murderers in prison for life doesn't accomplish much either.

Legislating rape to deter abortions. Makes sense.

it is when there is a human being inside

krazed wrote:

FEOS wrote:

In VA, an ultrasound will be part of the abortion procedure. The woman has a choice whether or not to get an abortion in VA. If she chooses to, it's with the knowledge that she will get an ultrasound.

If you're getting knee surgery, you know you'll get x-rays, CTs, or MRIs beforehand. If you don't like those pre-procedure tests, then you can choose to not get knee surgery.

how is necessary diagnostic imaging the same as having an unneeded procedure demanded?


well you have a cough, i better order xrays of your feet.

You're about to stick the vacu-suck 2000 in a woman's vagina (with a speculum, of course) and clean out the inside of her uterus. Wouldn't it be a good thing to know that it even needs to be done?

I love the people who have all these opinions about this "horrific" procedure, when they have no clue what it entails.

Do I agree with the legislation or forcing women seeking abortions to have this done? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Let me say that again for those of you who have reading comprehension problems: I do not agree with the legislation and I am pro-choice.

The fact that I can see a medical benefit to having the procedure done--because my wife had the very procedure done before having a DNC, in order to determine the viability of the pregnancy--does not mean I am for the legislation. It simply means that I can see a positive to this, absent the political bullshit, having been through the scenario with my wife...twice.

Is that clear enough for all of you that think I agree with the legislation? Do I need to break it down further? Would stick figures help?

FFS.

Anyone who wants an abortion should face being probed by the govt, anyone who thinks their medical insurance should contribute to their contraception is a slut.

Rush Limbagh wrote:

"What does it say about the college co-ed Susan [sic] Fluke who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex," he said.

"It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."

These people are beyond nuts, they're positively dangerous.

also

From the WaPo…`

   

Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue. The issue got the university president’s office last spring, where Georgetown declined to change its policy.

Cry me a river.

This is one of those instances of the American left, contrary to their positions and how they want people to perceive their party, come off as incredibly elitist and out of touch.


A blog that was linked from hotair puts things in even better perspective.

We also know she is young enough to be on her parents health insurance and if her parents health insurance covered the pill, which most do – then she could go to Wal-Mart and get it for $5.00 month. If not then it runs about $85.00 a month or here is an idea tell the guy he needs to bring a rubber because from the sounds of it God knows where that thing has been and what might be hiding or growing in it.

What else do we know?

Well we also know Georgetown Law is about $45,000.00 a year, housing is around $25,000.00 a year so she is likely spending $70,000.00 per year give or take plus incidentals (food, gas, partying, clothes, nipple rings, whips, chains etc) and this women can’t afford $5.00 or even $85.00 a month? She wants the tax payer to pick up the tab for her promiscuity? Or at the very least the other students? What if the student is gay should they pay for her contraception because sadly she is a breeder?

http://www.angrywhiteguy.com/?p=9566

Last edited by Macbeth (2012-03-02 23:23:33)

Rich white girl whining over $3000 in voluntary living expenses. I'd say he was in the right on this issue.

When Santorum calls you out on going too far, I think you've not so much crossed the line as left it glimmering in the distance.

Jay wrote:

Rich white girl whining over $3000 in voluntary living expenses. I'd say he was in the right on this issue.

All medical bills are 'voluntary living expenses'.

and

Spark wrote:

When Santorum calls you out on going too far, I think you've not so much crossed the line as left it glimmering in the distance.

Limbaugh is another fruitcake, and he's using the same 'insult people who disagree with you' line of reasoning which makes the GOP hardcore look less than credible.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2012-03-03 23:45:25)

There are a lot of greedy and lazy people in the US.

Its funny that you're riled, are you a net tax-payer yet?
How does this make her a slut or prostitute exactly?

People enjoy eating, and get immensely fat and correspondingly sick, presumably you'll be lining up for your free treatment when the time comes.

Free contraception for the poor wouldn't be such a bad thing I would have thought, and I'd like to see Limbaugh's head explode if someone came up with a bill allowing hookers to claim prophylactics as a deductible business expense.