BF2S Forums Let's Talk Jets

They can do if your own team doesn't have jets flying about and they can just pummel you with rocket pods and guided missles and shit.

Armour wins conquest large, but if the enemy has jets you need jets too, i suppose therein lies the teamwork element.

Last edited by jord (2011-11-13 09:28:14)

Yea but anytime I see jets flying around, all they are doing is engaging in air to air combat. I rarely see a teammate swoop down and destroy a tank for me. They are all preoccupied with taking down other jets (which rarely pose a threat to ground forces, because of what I stated earlier).

The thing I have noticed is this rock-paper-scissors scenario plays out pretty regularly when there are decent jet and helo pilots on opposing sides: jet>helo>tank.  So, if the helo players on the other teams are good, a decent jet player can make a big difference.

FEOS wrote:

Spotters make a difference for the jets. You can't see shit otherwise. Active spotters cue the jets for air to ground runs, making them more useful from a tem perspective. If there aren't any spotters, all they can do is flu around looking for targets, hoping something will appear.

^This exactly. If somebody spots a tank for me I can disable it at the very least 9 times out of 10. But when you are flying around up there and nothing is being spotting there isn't much you can do to ground forces.

mashing q seems to be a good alternative to teamwork when flying

Ryan wrote:

I find that also, I go up really high so that I can fly downward toward the action and mash the spot button in hopes of identifying a target before I run outta airspace and hit the ground.

That's what I do as well.

RAIMIUS wrote:

Heck, spotting is useful for everyone--jets, helos, tanks, infantry...

^implies some level of teamwork. Which I haven't seen outside of organized rounds with TS or some other enabler.

Doesn't air radar only show the vehicles directly below you? Plus without the 3D spotting you have to visually locate the vehicle and you have less time to line up a shot once it's spotted.

Do the air-to-ground laser-guided missiles disable vehicles in one hit? If so, couldn't you lock on and fire, then finish it off easily with cannons? I'd assume making one missile hit it's target is easier than trying to get a full rocket salvo to hit. Then you have to line up the MG.

Guided missiles are shit, they really need to be buffed. In fact, i'd like to see the jets being more powerful in general. It should be a quick burst of the gun or 2 rockets from the pods to kill inf. As for GM's it should be one to disable, two to destroy.

Planes shouldn't have to make more than one pass to destroy a vehicle. I think BF2's one-hit-kill TV guided missiles and jet bombs made the game a lot more interesting. The planes should dominate the skies and get 50-0 kills. One player shouldn't be able to take the jets out as well, which is the current system with the IR flare reload rate and IGLA/Stinger reload rate, I like that it takes more than one person to take out jets. Jets should be OP, then helis, then tanks, IFVs, HMMWVs/Vodniks, infantry

I don't quite know how to put it to words but it's whatever BF2's system used that I enjoyed most. I think the only thing that needed to be improved in BF2 as far as rock-paper-scissors goes is buffing AA pod lock-on range and mobile AA lock-on range.

FEOS wrote:

Spotters make a difference for the jets. You can't see shit otherwise. Active spotters cue the jets for air to ground runs, making them more useful from a tem perspective. If there aren't any spotters, all they can do is flu around looking for targets, hoping something will appear.

Not entirely true, once you unlock the air radar, it shows up enemy and friendly vehicles on the minimap for you (with quite good range too). When you're flying low enough it shows ground targets too. It gives you the general location of targets and from there on it's easy to spot it yourself so it shows up on your HUD. Unless you have a team you can trust to always spot things for you, using air radar is a must.

Also slow down, come in from far away and give yourself plenty of time to spot things and start attacking them. Using the gun from far is useless, it has quite a short range in the game, you can get two salvo's of rockets in usually and a burst from the gun before things get a little too slow and close for comfort (yes, I've been knocked out of the sky by tanks before, and enemy AA vehicles will shit on your face) - two salvo's and a burst, as long as it's accurate enough, is usually good to take out tanks even from the front.

What you do is fly over the map low enough, look at where enemy vehicles are, memorise them and then fly out far and high, once you turn around for your bombing/strafe/rocket run you should have a general idea from your low run before as to where everything is, vehicles don't move that fast. Spam Q in the general direction of what you want to take out, most of the time it comes up nicely, from there on spam the rockets and guns

This is all assuming you have air superiority, otherwise priority is always enemy jets. Helicopters aren't necessarily second

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2011-11-20 14:46:52)

Because they're shit, take long to reload, enemy tanks can smoke to break the lock, also the camera limits your field of view and situational awareness, easy to get nailed in the arse when using that. They're much worse than the rocket pods. If they were much stronger they'd be good anti vehicle weapons but they got nerfed quite badly after the beta, apparently they're getting better in the patch, we'll see.