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2011-10-11 08:16:49
(27th)Kaptyn
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Been discussing competitive ladder matches for BF3 and was wondering if anyone has any ideas how we are supposed to run ladder matches for competitive play?

Usually the rule was to have no unlocks so as to ensure a level field of play between the teams.

Unfortunately with no unlocks you would have to forgoe many of the (stupidly) unlockable kit, vehicle and aircraft abilities.
Most would agree that playing with no unlocks forgoes most of the best parts of the combat (ie. what are now considered secondary weapons and require an unlock).

Thoughts?
2011-10-11 08:23:59
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6693|cuntshitlake

did you ever see bc2 being played competitively? why would bc3 be any different in that sense?

it would require mod support and even then those games would not work for competitive play. too casual
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2011-10-11 08:30:01
(27th)Kaptyn
Member
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Yeah, same as BC2 I guess it will be the second season of competitive play that really decides who comes out on top.
By then most players had a large range of unlocks.
The first one wasn't really an even playing field.

Last edited by (27th)Kaptyn (2011-10-11 08:32:26)

2011-10-11 08:50:05
rdx-fx
...
+955|6821
Competitive players will have a competitive selection of unlocks
2011-10-11 09:02:47
legionair
back to i-life
+336|6853|EU

rdx-fx wrote:

Competitive players will have a competitive selection of unlocks
like assault only, no scopes, no nades, no blablabla ... i do not envy the ones who will have to look after it
this game is not for clan battles, this is just a mistake and money earner.
2011-10-11 14:58:15
DefCon-17
Maple Syrup Faggot
+362|6386|Vancouver | Canada
CoD has leagues, and that game is much more casual than BF3.

..Not to mention Halo, rofl.
2011-10-12 17:17:52
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6229|Vortex Ring State

DefCon-17 wrote:

CoD has leagues, and that game is much more casual than BF3.

..Not to mention Halo, rofl.
yup

only game coming out in the near future with a future of competitive play is CS:GO methinks.

only (big) game that came out in recent memory that was designed for competitive play was SC2

Last edited by Trotskygrad (2011-10-12 17:19:05)

2011-10-12 17:45:54
FloppY_
­
+1,010|6515|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Trotskygrad wrote:

DefCon-17 wrote:

CoD has leagues, and that game is much more casual than BF3.

..Not to mention Halo, rofl.
yup

only game coming out in the near future with a future of competitive play is CS:GO methinks.

only (big) game that came out in recent memory that was designed for competitive play was SC2
Point and laugh all you want but surely LoL qualifies as competitive considering the huge prize pools...

I frown on pretty much any game being played as "competitive", but that's because I play to have fun, not to be "the very best"...
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
2011-10-12 17:51:21
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6229|Vortex Ring State

FloppY_ wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

DefCon-17 wrote:

CoD has leagues, and that game is much more casual than BF3.

..Not to mention Halo, rofl.
yup

only game coming out in the near future with a future of competitive play is CS:GO methinks.

only (big) game that came out in recent memory that was designed for competitive play was SC2
Point and laugh all you want but surely LoL qualifies as competitive considering the huge prize pools...

I frown on pretty much any game being played as "competitive", but that's because I play to have fun, not to be "the very best"...
since we're doing nintendo game references

"I will battle everyday, to claim my rightful place!"

^that's how they feel.
2011-10-12 17:57:44
FloppY_
­
+1,010|6515|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Trotskygrad wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:


yup

only game coming out in the near future with a future of competitive play is CS:GO methinks.

only (big) game that came out in recent memory that was designed for competitive play was SC2
Point and laugh all you want but surely LoL qualifies as competitive considering the huge prize pools...

I frown on pretty much any game being played as "competitive", but that's because I play to have fun, not to be "the very best"...
since we're doing nintendo game references

"I will battle everyday, to claim my rightful place!"

^that's how they feel.
Competitive gaming seems to focus on removing the stuff that makes the game fun and stripping it to it's basic mechanics.. e.g. "No items, Fox only, Final destination!"
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
2011-10-12 19:35:53
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6229|Vortex Ring State

FloppY_ wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

Point and laugh all you want but surely LoL qualifies as competitive considering the huge prize pools...

I frown on pretty much any game being played as "competitive", but that's because I play to have fun, not to be "the very best"...
since we're doing nintendo game references

"I will battle everyday, to claim my rightful place!"

^that's how they feel.
Competitive gaming seems to focus on removing the stuff that makes the game fun and stripping it to it's basic mechanics.. e.g. "No items, Fox only, Final destination!"
not really, fwik competitive black ops and BC2 have no limits on perks or guns. I could be wrong though.

Last edited by Trotskygrad (2011-10-12 19:36:07)

2011-10-12 20:21:04
DefCon-17
Maple Syrup Faggot
+362|6386|Vancouver | Canada

Trotskygrad wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:


since we're doing nintendo game references

"I will battle everyday, to claim my rightful place!"

^that's how they feel.
Competitive gaming seems to focus on removing the stuff that makes the game fun and stripping it to it's basic mechanics.. e.g. "No items, Fox only, Final destination!"
not really, fwik competitive black ops and BC2 have no limits on perks or guns. I could be wrong though.
Playing competitive 6v6 in TF2 is 500x more fun than I've ever had playing in pubs with stupid unlocks.
2011-10-12 20:25:22
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6229|Vortex Ring State

DefCon-17 wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:


Competitive gaming seems to focus on removing the stuff that makes the game fun and stripping it to it's basic mechanics.. e.g. "No items, Fox only, Final destination!"
not really, fwik competitive black ops and BC2 have no limits on perks or guns. I could be wrong though.
Playing competitive 6v6 in TF2 is 500x more fun than I've ever had playing in pubs with stupid unlocks.
true, isn't there limited unlock usage in competitive though?
2011-10-12 21:32:04
DefCon-17
Maple Syrup Faggot
+362|6386|Vancouver | Canada

Trotskygrad wrote:

DefCon-17 wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

not really, fwik competitive black ops and BC2 have no limits on perks or guns. I could be wrong though.
Playing competitive 6v6 in TF2 is 500x more fun than I've ever had playing in pubs with stupid unlocks.
true, isn't there limited unlock usage in competitive though?
Yeah quite a few of them are allowed.

The usual thing is to ban everything that comes out during the season, because that gives people time to test them out and decide on how good they are. Then when the next season is about to start, they release a new ban list.
Really, the only banned unlocks are the ones that are either too powerful in a 6v6 setting (Wrangler, GRU), or they slow the game down (Natascha, Sandman).

The weapon bans for the upcoming season of ESEA are here:
http://natf2.com/topics/510-the-new-weapon-bans

Last edited by DefCon-17 (2011-10-12 21:32:36)

2011-10-13 09:06:20
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6229|Vortex Ring State

DefCon-17 wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

DefCon-17 wrote:


Playing competitive 6v6 in TF2 is 500x more fun than I've ever had playing in pubs with stupid unlocks.
true, isn't there limited unlock usage in competitive though?
Yeah quite a few of them are allowed.

The usual thing is to ban everything that comes out during the season, because that gives people time to test them out and decide on how good they are. Then when the next season is about to start, they release a new ban list.
Really, the only banned unlocks are the ones that are either too powerful in a 6v6 setting (Wrangler, GRU), or they slow the game down (Natascha, Sandman).

The weapon bans for the upcoming season of ESEA are here:
http://natf2.com/topics/510-the-new-weapon-bans
exactly, floppy's point of "everything fun is banned" is incorrect.

Most stuff is unbanned. (don't feel like making a pie chart lol)
2011-10-13 09:56:08
DefCon-17
Maple Syrup Faggot
+362|6386|Vancouver | Canada
A lot of people seem to be under the impression that competitive players have no fun an are all "supersrs".

..I'm not sure why I'd be playing a videogame competitively if it wasn't fun.
2011-10-13 10:10:38
The A W S M F O X
I Won't Deny It
+172|5914|SQUID
Playing competitively is just another challenge :]
2011-10-13 12:14:42
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6229|Vortex Ring State

DefCon-17 wrote:

A lot of people seem to be under the impression that competitive players have no fun an are all "supersrs".
yeah, I had the impression too until I started talking to some of them.
2011-10-13 12:35:38
Towelly
It's A State Of Mind
+399|6820|Your attic

Trotskygrad wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:


since we're doing nintendo game references

"I will battle everyday, to claim my rightful place!"

^that's how they feel.
Competitive gaming seems to focus on removing the stuff that makes the game fun and stripping it to it's basic mechanics.. e.g. "No items, Fox only, Final destination!"
not really, fwik competitive black ops and BC2 have no limits on perks or guns. I could be wrong though.
People really play BC2 competitively?

I'll eat my own shoe if BF3 ever becomes a proper e-sport, sure there might be a few ladders and some people who think that's competitive gaming might well play in those ladders but I sincerely doubt BF3 will be making any appearance at an MLG or any similar event.
2011-10-13 16:31:52
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6229|Vortex Ring State

Towelly wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:


Competitive gaming seems to focus on removing the stuff that makes the game fun and stripping it to it's basic mechanics.. e.g. "No items, Fox only, Final destination!"
not really, fwik competitive black ops and BC2 have no limits on perks or guns. I could be wrong though.
People really play BC2 competitively?

I'll eat my own shoe if BF3 ever becomes a proper e-sport, sure there might be a few ladders and some people who think that's competitive gaming might well play in those ladders but I sincerely doubt BF3 will be making any appearance at an MLG or any similar event.
well not in LAN events, but in ladders and stuff yes

TWL runs tourneys
2011-10-17 11:21:41
(27th)Kaptyn
Member
+14|6743|AUS
Unlocks won't be an issue for comp play, there is a server-side setting for BF3 that allows ALL unlocks.

http://battlefieldo.com/nvidialanbf3/

Comment re ALL unlocks setting is at 26min30secs.

 

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