Obviously I didn't, and I study business/finance.Macbeth wrote:
A very very well known fact. Everyone knows it.Roc18 wrote:
Ok, support that point by showing me numbers and I'll believe you.jord wrote:
The death penalty costs more. You can't really argue your point further because it's a fact.
Poll
Execute the man?
| Yes | 29% | 29% - 12 | ||||
| No | 70% | 70% - 29 | ||||
| Total: 41 | ||||||
Really that isn't fair.Macbeth wrote:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/03/09/ … in-prison/ AOL finance sectionRoc18 wrote:
Ok, support that point by showing me numbers and I'll believe you.jord wrote:
The death penalty costs more. You can't really argue your point further because it's a fact.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-10-20/just … s=PM:CRIME CNN article which sites an independent study
http://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/ … arceration ACLU research
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issu … nalty-cost Amnesty international
Various other news agencies from Fox News to MSNBC to the Economist
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns … n_8HOxlXcc
http://www.economist.com/node/13279051
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/ju … e-budgets/
A very very well known fact. Everyone knows it. Now the arguments over cost of child raising vs the cost of abortion is a fun one we can have if you feel like defending your antiquated views of it.
If you are not executing them, then you are spending money keeping them alive, NOT putting them to death. And keeping them alive costs, JUST LIKE life in prison. So executing them is cheaper, keeping them alive is more expensive.
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Do they mention the death penalty in business and finance school? I don't think that has anything to do with finance. So I don't think pointing out the fact you are on a degree track for something that has nil to do with your degree is a reasonable cover..
Now if you ever looked up the death penalty debate, you know the very least you could do before mouthing off about it, crazy I know, you would have came across the argument against it based on cost.
Now if you ever looked up the death penalty debate, you know the very least you could do before mouthing off about it, crazy I know, you would have came across the argument against it based on cost.
Considering an abortion because of how much it will cost you to keep your child alive.....Macbeth wrote:
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/03/09/ … in-prison/ AOL finance sectionRoc18 wrote:
Ok, support that point by showing me numbers and I'll believe you.jord wrote:
The death penalty costs more. You can't really argue your point further because it's a fact.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-10-20/just … s=PM:CRIME CNN article which sites an independent study
http://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/ … arceration ACLU research
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issu … nalty-cost Amnesty international
Various other news agencies from Fox News to MSNBC to the Economist
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns … n_8HOxlXcc
http://www.economist.com/node/13279051
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/ju … e-budgets/
A very very well known fact. Everyone knows it. Now the arguments over cost of child raising vs the cost of abortion is a fun one we can have if you feel like defending your antiquated views of it.
wow.
I made a point, it was proven wrong. Move on.Macbeth wrote:
Do they mention the death penalty in business and finance school? I don't think that has anything to do with finance. So I don't think pointing out the fact you are on a degree track for something that has nil to do with your degree is a reasonable cover..
Now if you ever looked up the death penalty debate, you know the very least you could do before mouthing off about it, crazy I know, you would have came across the argument against it based on cost.
Cost of government programs is obviously a subject covered in my field of study.
Cost has always been the #1 reason people get abortions. If you believe the freakonomics argument that the crime drop had to do with the availability of abortion than you believe the idea that money was always the #1 factor. But that would require looking something up and I guess that's not your thing...
People get abortions for different reasons. But I'm saying, getting rid of your kid solely because you don't want to go through the stress/cost of raising them is selfish.Macbeth wrote:
Cost has always been the #1 reason people get abortions. If you believe the freakonomics argument that the crime drop had to do with the availability of abortion than you believe the idea that money was always the #1 factor. But that would require looking something up and I guess that's not your thing...
But the overwhelming majority cite cost as the reason.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
There's a table on page four in fact. Tables mean science.
Yeah, human beings are selfish, human nature is bad, and clusters of cells are humans. Yawn. Antiquated. Yes.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
There's a table on page four in fact. Tables mean science.
Yeah, human beings are selfish, human nature is bad, and clusters of cells are humans. Yawn. Antiquated. Yes.
No, having a child you are not in a financial position to care for is selfish.Roc18 wrote:
People get abortions for different reasons. But I'm saying, getting rid of your kid solely because you don't want to go through the stress/cost of raising them is selfish.Macbeth wrote:
Cost has always been the #1 reason people get abortions. If you believe the freakonomics argument that the crime drop had to do with the availability of abortion than you believe the idea that money was always the #1 factor. But that would require looking something up and I guess that's not your thing...
Yeah I'm sure any kid in that position would rather no existence. And agree that their parent was looking out for them ending it.DrunkFace wrote:
No, having a child you are not in a financial position to care for is selfish.Roc18 wrote:
People get abortions for different reasons. But I'm saying, getting rid of your kid solely because you don't want to go through the stress/cost of raising them is selfish.Macbeth wrote:
Cost has always been the #1 reason people get abortions. If you believe the freakonomics argument that the crime drop had to do with the availability of abortion than you believe the idea that money was always the #1 factor. But that would require looking something up and I guess that's not your thing...
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prolly most of the kids in africa and shit areas.Roc18 wrote:
Yeah I'm sure any kid in that position would rather no existence. And agree that their parent was looking out for them ending it.DrunkFace wrote:
No, having a child you are not in a financial position to care for is selfish.Roc18 wrote:
People get abortions for different reasons. But I'm saying, getting rid of your kid solely because you don't want to go through the stress/cost of raising them is selfish.
Yup, that is why they all just commit suicide instead of struggling to stay alive throughout a longer miserable time span.Cybargs wrote:
prolly most of the kids in africa and shit areas.Roc18 wrote:
Yeah I'm sure any kid in that position would rather no existence. And agree that their parent was looking out for them ending it.DrunkFace wrote:
No, having a child you are not in a financial position to care for is selfish.
Maybe if they did the surplus population would decrease and the rest of them could enjoy life, a small amount of time anyway...HITNRUNXX wrote:
Yup, that is why they all just commit suicide instead of struggling to stay alive throughout a longer miserable time span.Cybargs wrote:
prolly most of the kids in africa and shit areas.Roc18 wrote:
Yeah I'm sure any kid in that position would rather no existence. And agree that their parent was looking out for them ending it.
Feel free to fly over there and suggest it to them.jord wrote:
Maybe if they did the surplus population would decrease and the rest of them could enjoy life, a small amount of time anyway...HITNRUNXX wrote:
Yup, that is why they all just commit suicide instead of struggling to stay alive throughout a longer miserable time span.Cybargs wrote:
prolly most of the kids in africa and shit areas.
prollyCybargs wrote:
prolly most of the kids in africa and shit areas.Roc18 wrote:
Yeah I'm sure any kid in that position would rather no existence. And agree that their parent was looking out for them ending it.DrunkFace wrote:
No, having a child you are not in a financial position to care for is selfish.
I'd sooner suggest free abortion for all.HITNRUNXX wrote:
Feel free to fly over there and suggest it to them.jord wrote:
Maybe if they did the surplus population would decrease and the rest of them could enjoy life, a small amount of time anyway...HITNRUNXX wrote:
Yup, that is why they all just commit suicide instead of struggling to stay alive throughout a longer miserable time span.
You know lowing your views here are a mystery to me. I distinctly remember you saying you're completely anti abortion because you're killing innocent life. Now, granted you agree that human made law isn't completely perfect and innocent people can slip by the radar and die because they were sentenced to death, how can you be pro-death penalty given your previous statement that innocent life should be spared?
Those two views aren't compatible
Those two views aren't compatible
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No sir, I never said I am anti-abortion because you're killing human life.Shocking wrote:
You know lowing your views here are a mystery to me. I distinctly remember you saying you're completely anti abortion because you're killing innocent life. Now, granted you agree that human made law isn't completely perfect and innocent people can slip by the radar and die because they were sentenced to death, how can you be pro-death penalty given your previous statement that innocent life should be spared?
Those two views aren't compatible
I PERSONALLY am anti-abortion because of my experiences with it and the guilt and regret I have even 25 years later. For legislation, I do not think the govt. should be involved in such a personal decision and FORCE a woman to have a baby she may not want, for whatever reason, justified in our minds or not. I do not feel MY MORALITY on such personal decisions should be shoved down anyone's throat.
I am pro death penalty because the only human life I value is INNOCENT human life. If I had it my way, there would be death penalties for child molestation/abuse, rape, attempted murder where the violence was the same, just the victim was left for dead and didn't happen to die but was lucky enough to survive their wounds. To me the mentality, the violent action, the danger to society etc. is still the same with the criminal, only difference was the victim was lucky.
Now I suppose you could invent an argument where innocent human life is also an unborn baby, and you would be right, I do feel that way. However, on the issue of abortion as far as the govt. is concerned, I feel the woman's right to decide her own destiny out weighs that.
On the issue of the death penalty, I feel the murdered victims can not speak for themselves, so justice speaks for them.