If a vessel tries to break through our blockade on Libya what do you think will happen?
That is different to attacking buses full of civilians.
That is different to attacking buses full of civilians.
So its OK to kill civilians, in international waters, if you tell them you're going to illegally board their ship beforehand?FEOS wrote:
And then the Israelis acted only when they were attacked after boarding (after warning they were going to do so).
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to kill civilians, in international waters, if you tell them you're going to illegally board their ship beforehand?FEOS wrote:
And then the Israelis acted only when they were attacked after boarding (after warning they were going to do so).
Nice spin, Hamas Propaganda Minister...AR wrote:
Oh so they were the ones attacking, after threatening to board and then doing so.
It's okay to board another vessel because you gave notification before hand.
When a blockade has been established and the world has been notified of the blockade, those attempting to run the blockade are taking certain risks in doing so. One of those risks is that they will be boarded and searched. Not attacked. Searched for the items the blockade has been put in place to prevent.
If you're attacked by said civilians when legally boarding the ship because it's trying to run a legal blockade? Sure. It's called "self-defense" and is recognized by every court in the world.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
If I hit an armed soldier with a pole or tried to stab him I would expect to get shot.
Lol I love how you can call an act of war "illegal" We should have said that about poland instead of starting WWII "no sorry sir, you're not allowed to invade poland its against the rules"
Lol I love how you can call an act of war "illegal" We should have said that about poland instead of starting WWII "no sorry sir, you're not allowed to invade poland its against the rules"
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Poland illegally killed German soldiers.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Yet at the same time I'm sure you'll argue that Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation. Even though it was democratically, peacefully and legitimately elected and recognised by the UN.FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to kill civilians, in international waters, if you tell them you're going to illegally board their ship beforehand?FEOS wrote:
And then the Israelis acted only when they were attacked after boarding (after warning they were going to do so).Nice spin, Hamas Propaganda Minister...AR wrote:
Oh so they were the ones attacking, after threatening to board and then doing so.
It's okay to board another vessel because you gave notification before hand.
When a blockade has been established and the world has been notified of the blockade, those attempting to run the blockade are taking certain risks in doing so. One of those risks is that they will be boarded and searched. Not attacked. Searched for the items the blockade has been put in place to prevent.
If you're attacked by said civilians when legally boarding the ship because it's trying to run a legal blockade? Sure. It's called "self-defense" and is recognized by every court in the world.
It is still recognized as a terrorist organization by the UN, IIRC, as well as most countries...at least Western democracies.AussieReaper wrote:
Yet at the same time I'm sure you'll argue that Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation. Even though it was democratically, peacefully and legitimately elected and recognised by the UN.FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to kill civilians, in international waters, if you tell them you're going to illegally board their ship beforehand?Nice spin, Hamas Propaganda Minister...AR wrote:
Oh so they were the ones attacking, after threatening to board and then doing so.
It's okay to board another vessel because you gave notification before hand.
When a blockade has been established and the world has been notified of the blockade, those attempting to run the blockade are taking certain risks in doing so. One of those risks is that they will be boarded and searched. Not attacked. Searched for the items the blockade has been put in place to prevent.
If you're attacked by said civilians when legally boarding the ship because it's trying to run a legal blockade? Sure. It's called "self-defense" and is recognized by every court in the world.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
The UN does not.FEOS wrote:
It is still recognized as a terrorist organization by the UN, IIRC, as well as most countries...at least Western democracies.AussieReaper wrote:
Yet at the same time I'm sure you'll argue that Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation. Even though it was democratically, peacefully and legitimately elected and recognised by the UN.FEOS wrote:
Nice spin, Hamas Propaganda Minister...Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to kill civilians, in international waters, if you tell them you're going to illegally board their ship beforehand?
When a blockade has been established and the world has been notified of the blockade, those attempting to run the blockade are taking certain risks in doing so. One of those risks is that they will be boarded and searched. Not attacked. Searched for the items the blockade has been put in place to prevent.
If you're attacked by said civilians when legally boarding the ship because it's trying to run a legal blockade? Sure. It's called "self-defense" and is recognized by every court in the world.
You're right...it's just pretty much everyone else who does.AussieReaper wrote:
The UN does not.FEOS wrote:
It is still recognized as a terrorist organization by the UN, IIRC, as well as most countries...at least Western democracies.AussieReaper wrote:
Yet at the same time I'm sure you'll argue that Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation. Even though it was democratically, peacefully and legitimately elected and recognised by the UN.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
All the nations individually call them terrorists but when they get together they cant decide?
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Hammas were elected so they're not illegal, there isnt a "world police" so legality is neither here no there. All that matters is international opinion and whether or not it is in their interest to make a fuss about it.
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Hammas were elected so they're not illegal, there isnt a "world police" so legality is neither here no there. All that matters is international opinion and whether or not it is in their interest to make a fuss about it.
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oh, so called "western democracies" can decide allright. the thing is, the world - and, thus, the UN - doesn't only consist of those.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
All the nations individually call them terrorists but when they get together they cant decide?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Quite a few countries recognise Israel as a terrorist nation, which they are, so meh.FEOS wrote:
You're right...it's just pretty much everyone else who does.AussieReaper wrote:
The UN does not.FEOS wrote:
It is still recognized as a terrorist organization by the UN, IIRC, as well as most countries...at least Western democracies.
Fuck Israel
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I take it your source in this is a country with credible leadership such as Iran?Dilbert_X wrote:
Quite a few countries recognise Israel as a terrorist nation, which they are, so meh.FEOS wrote:
You're right...it's just pretty much everyone else who does.AussieReaper wrote:
The UN does not.
lol
inane little opines
Shahter the constant insinuating that we're all not really democratic and other such conspiracy mumbo jumbo is getting a bit tiresome, really.Shahter wrote:
oh, so called "western democracies" can decide allright. the thing is, the world - and, thus, the UN - doesn't only consist of those.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
All the nations individually call them terrorists but when they get together they cant decide?
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inane little opines
No, large scale international surveys, and the UNGA.Shocking wrote:
I take it your source in this is a country with credible leadership such as Iran?Dilbert_X wrote:
Quite a few countries recognise Israel as a terrorist nation, which they are, so meh.FEOS wrote:
You're right...it's just pretty much everyone else who does.
Fuck Israel
man, you are taking it wrong. you are really democratic. you, shock the awesome, truly are. that's the problem.Shocking wrote:
Shahter the constant insinuating that we're all not really democratic and other such conspiracy mumbo jumbo is getting a bit tiresome, really.Shahter wrote:
oh, so called "western democracies" can decide allright. the thing is, the world - and, thus, the UN - doesn't only consist of those.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
All the nations individually call them terrorists but when they get together they cant decide?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
This is why the US should keep out of the Israel-Palestine issue.
This is why religious fruitloops shouldn't be in government."The Obama policy of moral equivalency, which gives equal standing to the grievances of Israelis and Palestinians, including the orchestrators of terrorism, is a dangerous insult."
What a well thought out policy - I believe in a sky-beardo therefore...The Texas governor said his religious faith was a reason for his support of Israel.
Fuck Israel
Looks like Palestinians have no right to live! Obama fully supports Israel!
Israel was created on Palestinian land! They also occupied a lot more land what they actually "got" from the UN in 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat … _Palestine
Why all the hate? Why dont they stop all the agression? Israel should fall back from the occupied land!
Israel was created on Palestinian land! They also occupied a lot more land what they actually "got" from the UN in 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat … _Palestine
Why all the hate? Why dont they stop all the agression? Israel should fall back from the occupied land!
Your country was formed from land taken from others too. Fuck off.venom6 wrote:
Looks like Palestinians have no right to live! Obama fully supports Israel!
Israel was created on Palestinian land! They also occupied a lot more land what they actually "got" from the UN in 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat … _Palestine
Why all the hate? Why dont they stop all the agression? Israel should fall back from the occupied land!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
As was yours!Jay wrote:
Your country was formed from land taken from others too. Fuck off.venom6 wrote:
Looks like Palestinians have no right to live! Obama fully supports Israel!
Israel was created on Palestinian land! They also occupied a lot more land what they actually "got" from the UN in 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat … _Palestine
Why all the hate? Why dont they stop all the agression? Israel should fall back from the occupied land!
As was every country. It's a stupid argument.Doctor Strangelove wrote:
As was yours!Jay wrote:
Your country was formed from land taken from others too. Fuck off.venom6 wrote:
Looks like Palestinians have no right to live! Obama fully supports Israel!
Israel was created on Palestinian land! They also occupied a lot more land what they actually "got" from the UN in 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat … _Palestine
Why all the hate? Why dont they stop all the agression? Israel should fall back from the occupied land!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Yes...why all the hate, venom?venom6 wrote:
Looks like Palestinians have no right to live! Obama fully supports Israel!
Israel was created on Palestinian land! They also occupied a lot more land what they actually "got" from the UN in 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat … _Palestine
Why all the hate? Why dont they stop all the agression? Israel should fall back from the occupied land!
Obama...like every US president since Carter (if not earlier) supports a two-state solution. As does the PA. As does Israel. As does most of the rest of the world (minus a few extremist holdouts). They just disagree as to whether this particular tactic is the best method to achieve that end goal. Fully supporting Israel on this is fully supporting a two-state solution...which is also supporting the PA's ultimate goal, as well.
Borders change based on geopolitical realities. That's why direct negotiations need to happen. Worked out really well the last time the UN just declared something over there, didn't it?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Sorry, but the opportunity was too good to pass upFEOS wrote:
Yes...why all the hate, venom?venom6 wrote:
Looks like Palestinians have no right to live! Obama fully supports Israel!
Israel was created on Palestinian land! They also occupied a lot more land what they actually "got" from the UN in 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat … _Palestine
Why all the hate? Why dont they stop all the agression? Israel should fall back from the occupied land!
Obama...like every US president since Carter (if not earlier) supports a two-state solution. As does the PA. As does Israel. As does most of the rest of the world (minus a few extremist holdouts). They just disagree as to whether this particular tactic is the best method to achieve that end goal. Fully supporting Israel on this is fully supporting a two-state solution...which is also supporting the PA's ultimate goal, as well.
Borders change based on geopolitical realities. That's why direct negotiations need to happen. Worked out really well the last time the UN just declared something over there, didn't it?
Carry on.
NoJay wrote:
As was every country.
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