Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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Hallvard wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

There's just less strategy involved with melee once the armies meet. Yeah, you send your cavalry around the flanks and break the enemies morale but that gets old after a while. Maybe the AI in S2 will actually be passably difficult without having to give them double morale over the player.
yea.... as opposed to "you'll line your guys up over there, and I'll line mine over here. Remember to wear your brightly colored clothes so you are easy to see and aim at. Then both sides start firing at each other for a while with crappy guns until one side is dead. There might be some actual action if our fancy-looking cavalry guys do a bit of flanking, but don't keep your hopes up."
Shrug. I don't consider a horde of troops fighting each other one at a time in the middle of the map for twenty minutes 'fun'. At least in Empire you could time a bayonet charge to route the enemy. There was at least a bit of strategy.

I've put probably 1500 hours+ into the TW series. I started with Shogun and have played everything except Napoleon. Like I keep saying, to each their own, I just despise the melee scrums. Real war was fought with a lot more discipline.
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Huh?
Uzique
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Real war was fought with a lot more discipline.
source
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Jay
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Uzique wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Real war was fought with a lot more discipline.
source
Roman legions did not break ranks and fight as an undisciplined mob. Viking armies and other armies of their time period fought in shield walls. If either the legions or the shield walls lost discipline and their ranks broke the battle was generally lost. Undisciplined free for alls are a product of Hollywood.
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Uzique
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surely a man well versed in military history realises why the shogun system works the way it does. comparing the romans to japan is a bit crazy.
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Jay
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Uzique wrote:

surely a man well versed in military history realises why the shogun system works the way it does. comparing the romans to japan is a bit crazy.
I said I do not enjoy rabble melee scrums. Samurai duels are quite different.
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I'm not into Japan and the scale of the game is too small for me. I'll wait for Rome 2.

Hope they do well though.
DesertFox-
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You should listen to Galt. After all, he is the very model of a modern major general.
I've got to stop making these lame references
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DesertFox- wrote:

You should listen to Galt. After all, he is the very model of a modern major general.
I've got to stop making these lame references
Challenge accepted.

krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|6997|Great Brown North
im such a pile of fail at that historical battle lol
GR34
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Can you say crap. So far worst total war ever judging by the demo
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GR34 wrote:

Can you say crap. So far worst total war ever judging by the demo
You can't judge a TW by one historical battle. Those are pretty much cookie cutter across the board.
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|6997|Great Brown North
from the demo campaign i can see myself liking it... but not as much as medieval(2) and rome
Hallvard
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GR34 wrote:

Can you say crap. So far worst total war ever judging by the demo
lol, imo it seems like one of the best Total War games. Maybe not as good as Rome, but much better then Empire and Napoleon.
Shocking
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+333|6216|...
So, anyone got it?

worth a try or don't bother?
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6687
i might buy it... fuck it, why not.

i enjoyed the original so much that my impressions of the demo almost don't matter
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Shocking
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I didn't play the demo, what was it like?

I fucking loved the first few total wars but it went down hill fast with/after medieval 2 (imo).

Shouldn't really start with a new game atm as I have tests in two weeks and I have to catch up 6 weeks worth of work can't afford getting addicted.
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krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|6997|Great Brown North
i'll be getting it
jord
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Uzique wrote:

i might buy it... fuck it, why not.

i enjoyed the original so much that my impressions of the demo almost don't matter
Wasn't Shogun 1 fucking terrible?

Rome was awesome, completed that shit twice.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6687
shogun 1 is pretty much seen as the best game they've done in the series. rome/medieval are also seen as being very good, depending on your preference and experience, i suppose. but shogun ate up SO many of my hours. it was amazing and nothing like it had been around before that. fuck i don't even want to spend the money, really, but i'm going to.
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jord
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Huh. I only played it a few hours and it wasn't for me from what I remember. I'll probably get this though.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6687
by the way, is napoleon any good? i skipped it after empire sucked so hard. anybody with any experience? might get it, too.
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Shocking
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Well I didn't like it tbh.. was an improvement on Empire and the ability of someone else to fight a battle against you in your campaign was pretty great. But; the campaign itself offered you very little choice in what you were going to do. The objectives were always very straightforward and didn't really let you be flexible about the way to handle things. Also, it wasn't just one big map but small areas of Europe for every part of the campaign.

You were either napoleon and had to conquer from point A to B step by step, or you were against napoleon and you would be given very specific objectives on how to stop him; british empire, go with your navy to confront his navy here, etc.

Besides, gunpowder in general is just.. boring really. I don't know, it just doesn't get me excited.
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6687
yeah guns and naval battles totally turned me off after about 2-3 hours. zzzz.

pre-ordered shogun. was under the impression it was out today, for some reason. march 15th. will have to essay hard for a few days
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Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6216|...
my mistake, thought it came out as I saw a review on pcgamer

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/11/total … eview-224/
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