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l=l-Oneill-l=l wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Spumantiii wrote:

The US did NOT create israel.

I am sorry you didn't read, I didn't say they did.

Spumantiii wrote:

In 1948 Israel declared independence and guess who REFUSED to help?  America

Ok, Where was the Population of ( israel 1948 ) in,  Oh lets say ...1943 ?
 

Spumantiii wrote:

Israel proved it had the capacity to fight and take land from the Arab nations,

We all know israel took land from Arab Nations, thats why we are all in a World War now.

Spumantiii wrote:

all at the same time.  Who fought in this war?  Citizens and military.  Jewish people all over the world got the call.  Nobody helped them in their fight it was only after that they got aid

Believe me anytime you want to Cancel the Billions in aid we give israel I am on board.
If we hadn't backed israel unilaterally we wouldn't be in this mess.
If we hadn't been f*cking over the Arab nations in israels name for the last half century they wouldn't hate us now.
further If we had given them the Extra ten billion plus per year in aid I bet they would be Loyal trust worthy allies,
But we will never know will we.

Rigth balme the jews for wanting a contry of their own, in the land where they originataed and exiled thousands years ago. But what the hell they been blamed for everything what is wrong with this world.

Funny Bush goes after Sadam, not saying he did not deserved, but come on. ONe of the richest in Oil contriest in middle east. North Korea might have nukes, but no Let's get Iraq. Tell every one that they have "Veapons Of Mass Destaraction". Turn over whole county looking for it, don't find it and that say;"oups, our info was foulty, sorry for f***ing up you country." War is wrong, and the only people who profit from it are people who make monies on the missory of other people. But that just my thoughts on this subject.

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-05-07 19:17:02)

IronFerret wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I take a personal offense whenever you slander the army's mission in iraq.  When you say the army dont give a shit about the iraqi people that is the exact opposite of a rational comment.  dont be a hippocrate.

you seriusly think US High Army leaders care about iraq people??!? i dont think your that naif.. so dont be hippocrate.. i mean lets make a worldwide poll:

How much US high leaders care about iraq people?

dude honestly you think 90% of the world is wrong?!.. they are agains US lately foreing policy just because we are jealous.. come on!!..

I want to let clear something: I dont want to insult, or deaqualify the work of all regular US soldiers in iraq or anywere in the world.. theres shure some true heros that are there because they beleave in serving their country thats nice.. We are talking about the bunch of people abusing off that, mainly neoconservatives in power.

Mike_J wrote:

IronFerret wrote:

Mike_J wrote:

are you guys pretending that the fight against global terrorism isn't a war?  open your eyes..

and you pretend that figth a war against global terrorism (also "global" is just middle east), would be solve  occupying  every muslim nation in the world.. that just gonna make more terrorism... Iraq had no terrorism before ocupation and now.. look at media and open your eyes.

also want to open your eyes.. this is how heroic iraq ocupation is:

"Philip Bloom, the American businessman at the center of a widening inquiry into corruption in Iraq, pleaded guilty Tuesday to federal charges of conspiracy, bribery, and money laundering for illegally obtaining millions of dollars in 2003 and 2004 that were meant for the reconstruction of Iraq."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0420/dailyUpdate.html

A U.S. government audit found American-led occupation authorities squandered tens of millions of dollars that were supposed to be used to rebuild Iraq through undocumented spending and outright fraud.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10789266/

    In one case, the Pentagon's own Defense Contract Audit Agency found that the leading U.S. contractor in Iraq, Halliburton subsidiary KBR, overcharged Iraq occupation authorities by $108 million for a task order to deliver fuel.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/ … gi/37/9946

Urgent measures must be taken to prevent the reconstruction of Iraq from turning into the world's biggest corruption scandal in history, a respected anti-corruption watchdog has said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ … FCC58A.htm

In the United States, a former official has admitted stealing millions of dollars meant for the reconstruction of Iraq.
Robert Stein admitted to stealing $2m from reconstruction funds.
Some of that money, the court heard, was smuggled onto aircraft and flown back to the United States in suitcases.
The case is an ugly twist in the tale of post-war Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4675902.stm

LOL!!  You think you can confindently tell me to open my eyes and realize there is no progress in Iraq?!?!  Likewise with your friend splixx?!?!  I'll remember those few instances you listed next time I have to help build a school or open a market in Mosul.  Yeah I guess your listed instances definately out weigh the thousands of projects we're doing over there to rebuild that nation.  Sorry, must've slipped my mind.  How narrow minded I must be.

Global terrorism really just means the "middle east???"  There's no way you or your friend here are adults.  Southeast Asia, South America, Africa, Europe, and North America certainly have experienced the effects of global terrorism within recent years.  Thus, the word "global."  But I guess to your standards bombings in Indonesia, Spain, England, guerilla fighters and corrupt governments in Africa, South America, and hijacked planes in the US don't count right?  I could go on and on if you'd like.  The fact is that terrorism globally is on the rise and the US and it's allied nations are fighting all over the world.  Don't know if you can't see it, but it's in the word "World War."  I guess you won't consider anything a war unless it affects you directly though.  Just doesn't count to you huh?  Next time I have to dodge sniper fire from an abondoned hotel across the street from my motor pool in Mosul I'll remember that people like you are pretending no war is going on.  Honestly I don't care what you think though.  You're too uninformed about worldly events.  Please, continue to sift through tons and tons of information and try to find the few things that undermine what me and my fellow comrades have accomplished in the past few years.

splixx wrote:

kessel! wrote:

the war on terrorism is not a war. it is a blackhole. terrorists will always exist in some way shape or form, so spending billions of dollars fighting them is like burning money. Terrorism is wrong, i know that, but the only reason the US started this "war" is a select few can benefit.

You are correct. For one we bomb the hell out of Falluja destroy most of a city(Example of one city)... Then people come back after the bombing.. They find there dead family... House turned to pebbles...They are offered $300 dollars to rebuild.... Let's think... Who did we just create? A new terrorist.

That is exactly what I would become if someone came destroyed my family and home. So everyone one so called terrorist in Iraq that is killed 100's are created... We will not win.

Yet again, more talk straight from people's asses.  Do you have any idea why Fallujah had some of the worst fighting?  Are you aware that we dropped leaflets and publically announced that we were going to roll through that city?  That city was the biggest terrorist safe haven in Iraq.  You realize that the reason we publically announced going into Fallujah was to warn innocent civilians to leave the city?  Many of them did pal.  If I can recall right, they were warned about 1 or 2 months before we even went in there.  Remember the reporters that went in there that were massacred and hung on the bridge entrance to the city?  That battle was actually very effective in killing and capturing massive amounts of terrorists, many of them from Iran, Syria, and Chechnya.

Btw, thanks for the negative karma with the "hasn't a clue" statement.  I'm glad that you think that watching a few stories on CNN or whatever makes you a political expert.  Just go do your chores, play your video games, and beat off in your room and I won't tell your mommy.  You know what that tells me?  It says that you obviously read my posts and have nothing to support your views.  In other words, you lose.  Thanks.

Varegg wrote:

Not sure about Bush, but the coalision of warmongerers that fund him must be very pleased with how things have worked out, they sell arms for trillions of dollars so the few hundred millions they put into his campaign looks like a bad tip in a restaurant.

I`ve always been a fan of the US and we have a lot to thank them for the last 60 - 70 years but now i think they have taken their global politics a tad to far, they`ve made the entire middleeast their enemy and along the way they are loosing support amongst allies that grow tired of the world police theater they conduct.

Hope the US will wise up and concider there are more issues than waging war - cause war is never the solution to anything.

All the money used making guns in the US and the other I-countries could have made the rest of the world a better place for everyone with clean water and a school to goto every day so they could educate themselves out of misery.

Horseman 77 wrote:

splixx wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

This War started when israel was created.  The US did not create israel alone. The US has been in this War for a long time. We will win.

The thing that is on our side is knowledge. Knowledge has a way of spreading. It is difficult to contain and spreads on its own as if it has a will to do so.
Knowledge can be twisted and subverted for sure but only for a while, but show me someone who has been lied to and manipulated by his leaders and I will show you a motivated enemy.

Note: We do not fall into this class you will notice. ( typing blather and insults here does not constitute "The good fight ! " Sorry but you knew that. )

The reason the War was accelerated ( by our Enemies ) was the Hold of total ignorance that our opponents had over their people is ebbing.
With access to world wide news sources the Internet, Relatives who immigrated here. Etc., these people wont be able to be whipped up into a Religious frenzy for much longer.
( 72 virgins ) how long will that really last? its almost Comical if it wasn't so Sad.
They know Now what we look like, how we think, that we don't follow or own leaders blindly, we question our leaders, prod them, goad them, insult them.
They know they cant. Or rather Couldn't. Now they can in Iraq. They know why we are there in their land if you don't. With half of the new Voters in Iraq being women (mothers) how will that effect the age old Ruling class that was till recently composed solely of men? These people aren't dumb. If our efforts there are clumsy or misguided, They all know some who was lowered feet first into a shredder when it was Business as usual. These people are not suckers and they don't fall for the Stupid propaganda 100% Though I am sure some do. As some still do here.
You can fool some of the people all the time all the people some of the Time

Further, This " I know it all" attitude is the First thing you lose when you really start to learn.
Show me someone, Anyone from any field who says " I know all there is to learn" and I will show you an intellectually stunted person.

I kind of chuckle when I hear how much superior we are then anyone else. Rome had it's day... I must say I would reply to all of this but there is not much need. The US used to be a super power but now our  leadership is all about greed and corruption. Our politicians have all but sold us all off to other countries... Wake up and the truth shall set you free.

Chuckle all you Want, Rome had more than a Day.

Nowhere in the entire post did it say or imply anything about being Superior or even Wrong or Right.
Nor was that anywhere near what my post was about.
So I know you didn't even bother to Read before you made your reply. It speaks volumes.
You can post any silly quip you want. It must be nice to have a corner on the Truth Market which is a neat trick considering you apparently don't bother to read or retain much.

The USA is not a Super Power ? OK. I only wish we had some way to Wager on a poll.

Varegg wrote:

...war is never the solution to anything...

IronFerret wrote:

mmm lets see: for example http://talkleft.com/new_archives/006972.html
colateral damage you know theres thousand of those articles..

dude honestly you think 90% of the world is wrong?!.. they are agains US lately foreing policy just because we are jealous.. come on!!..

I want to let clear something: I dont want to insult, or deaqualify the work of all regular US soldiers in iraq or anywere in the world.. theres shure some true heros that are there because they beleave in serving their country thats nice.. We are talking about the bunch of people abusing off that, mainly neoconservatives in power.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-07 18:20:23)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

I personally will count the first day of WWIII as the day when the first permanent member of the UN pulls out or declares war against another member.   

That is: China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States.

What do you think was/will be the start of WWIII, or do you agree with the Bush definition?

Horseman 77 wrote:

splixx wrote:

kessel! wrote:

the war on terrorism is not a war. it is a blackhole. terrorists will always exist in some way shape or form, so spending billions of dollars fighting them is like burning money. Terrorism is wrong, i know that, but the only reason the US started this "war" is a select few can benefit.

You are correct. For one we bomb the hell out of Falluja destroy most of a city(Example of one city)... Then people come back after the bombing.. They find there dead family... House turned to pebbles...They are offered $300 dollars to rebuild.... Let's think... Who did we just create? A new terrorist.

That is exactly what I would become if someone came destroyed my family and home. So everyone one so called terrorist in Iraq that is killed 100's are created... We will not win.

This War started when israel was created.  The US did not create israel alone. The US has been in this War for a long time. We will win.

The thing that is on our side is knowledge. Knowledge has a way of spreading. It is difficult to contain and spreads on its own as if it has a will to do so.
Knowledge can be twisted and subverted for sure but only for a while, but show me someone who has been lied to and manipulated by his leaders and I will show you a motivated enemy.

Note: We do not fall into this class you will notice. ( typing blather and insults here does not constitute "The good fight ! " Sorry but you knew that. )

The reason the War was accelerated ( by our Enemies ) was the Hold of total ignorance that our opponents had over their people is ebbing.
With access to world wide news sources the Internet, Relatives who immigrated here. Etc., these people wont be able to be whipped up into a Religious frenzy for much longer.
( 72 virgins ) how long will that really last? its almost Comical if it wasn't so Sad.
They know Now what we look like, how we think, that we don't follow or own leaders blindly, we question our leaders, prod them, goad them, insult them.
They know they cant. Or rather Couldn't. Now they can in Iraq. They know why we are there in their land if you don't. With half of the new Voters in Iraq being women (mothers) how will that effect the age old Ruling class that was till recently composed solely of men? These people aren't dumb. If our efforts there are clumsy or misguided, They all know some who was lowered feet first into a shredder when it was Business as usual. These people are not suckers and they don't fall for the Stupid propaganda 100% Though I am sure some do. As some still do here.
You can fool some of the people all the time all the people some of the Time

Further, This " I know it all" attitude is the First thing you lose when you really start to learn.
Show me someone, Anyone from any field who says " I know all there is to learn" and I will show you an intellectually stunted person.

splixx wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

The USA is not a Super Power ? OK. I only wish we had some way to Wager on a poll.

I was trying to retain something from that reading but hardly made it through the first time around. My comments are what I think and facts I have found from people that have been there. Sorry if you need to take offense to this and protect the system and start personal attacks. This does not suprise me though.
This will soon enough all come out.

For one I support My family, friends, my military... I do not support Bush.. I do not support any of his BS he keeps spewing and getting us deeper and deeper into a bunch of non sense.  I apologize you only have a one site view of this. I had the other... And now I know the truth.

Last edited by Horseman 77 (2006-05-08 05:03:51)