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Rellim83 wrote:

IronFerret wrote:

Mike_J wrote:

are you guys pretending that the fight against global terrorism isn't a war?  open your eyes..

and you pretend that figth a war against global terrorism (also "global" is just middle east), would be solve  occupying  every muslim nation in the world.. that just gonna make more terrorism... Iraq had no terrorism before ocupation and now.. look at media and open your eyes.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4675902.stm

.......I iraq had no terrorism before.......ARE U SERIOUS!!!!!!
The guy (Sadam Hussein)  made a public announcement providing a safe haven to all terrorists against America right after the invasion of afghanistan

He consistently bombed and murdered political rivals in the north and south(thats why they had a no fly zone since desert storm)

He has used chemical and biological weapons in the past.  (Israel, Kuwait)

He ploted to assassinate a former president.  (Bush sr.)

Oh ya and their was that whole thing about refusing to let weapons inspectors into the country for like 6 years....ya he might not have had anything but how could anybody possibly believe that when he refused to let weapons inspectors into the country.

I absolutly agree that the occupation in iraq has many problems, but i completly support going to war. Saddam was a threat to America, his neighbors, and his own people.  Saddam was given ample time and many warnings refusing to comply with weapons inspectors, all he had to do was let them inspect his facilities. He was stupid enough to refuse and thats why we had to go to war with him.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-05-07 16:26:48)

splixx wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

splixx wrote:

You are correct. For one we bomb the hell out of Falluja destroy most of a city(Example of one city)... Then people come back after the bombing.. They find there dead family... House turned to pebbles...They are offered $300 dollars to rebuild.... Let's think... Who did we just create? A new terrorist.

That is exactly what I would become if someone came destroyed my family and home. So everyone one so called terrorist in Iraq that is killed 100's are created... We will not win.

This War started when israel was created.  The US did not create israel alone. The US has been in this War for a long time. We will win.

The thing that is on our side is knowledge. Knowledge has a way of spreading. It is difficult to contain and spreads on its own as if it has a will to do so.
Knowledge can be twisted and subverted for sure but only for a while, but show me someone who has been lied to and manipulated by his leaders and I will show you a motivated enemy.

Note: We do not fall into this class you will notice. ( typing blather and insults here does not constitute "The good fight ! " Sorry but you knew that. )

The reason the War was accelerated ( by our Enemies ) was the Hold of total ignorance that our opponents had over their people is ebbing.
With access to world wide news sources the Internet, Relatives who immigrated here. Etc., these people wont be able to be whipped up into a Religious frenzy for much longer.
( 72 virgins ) how long will that really last? its almost Comical if it wasn't so Sad.
They know Now what we look like, how we think, that we don't follow or own leaders blindly, we question our leaders, prod them, goad them, insult them.
They know they cant. Or rather Couldn't. Now they can in Iraq. They know why we are there in their land if you don't. With half of the new Voters in Iraq being women (mothers) how will that effect the age old Ruling class that was till recently composed solely of men? These people aren't dumb. If our efforts there are clumsy or misguided, They all know some who was lowered feet first into a shredder when it was Business as usual. These people are not suckers and they don't fall for the Stupid propaganda 100% Though I am sure some do. As some still do here.
You can fool some of the people all the time all the people some of the Time

Further, This " I know it all" attitude is the First thing you lose when you really start to learn.
Show me someone, Anyone from any field who says " I know all there is to learn" and I will show you an intellectually stunted person.

I kind of chuckle when I hear how much superior we are then anyone else. Rome had it's day... I must say I would reply to all of this but there is not much need. The US used to be a super power but now our  leadership is all about greed and corruption. Our politicians have all but sold us all off to other countries... Wake up and the truth shall set you free.

Spearhead wrote:

I hate assholes like you... .

Spearhead wrote:

In my view, ... split into 3 seperate countries of their own.....

Horseman 77 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I hate assholes like you... .

Spearhead wrote:

In my view, ... split into 3 seperate countries of their own.....

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-05-07 16:35:06)

Horseman 77 wrote:

splixx wrote:

kessel! wrote:

the war on terrorism is not a war. it is a blackhole. terrorists will always exist in some way shape or form, so spending billions of dollars fighting them is like burning money. Terrorism is wrong, i know that, but the only reason the US started this "war" is a select few can benefit.

You are correct. For one we bomb the hell out of Falluja destroy most of a city(Example of one city)... Then people come back after the bombing.. They find there dead family... House turned to pebbles...They are offered $300 dollars to rebuild.... Let's think... Who did we just create? A new terrorist.

That is exactly what I would become if someone came destroyed my family and home. So everyone one so called terrorist in Iraq that is killed 100's are created... We will not win.

This War started when israel was created.  The US did not create israel alone. The US has been in this War for a long time. We will win.

The thing that is on our side is knowledge. Knowledge has a way of spreading. It is difficult to contain and spreads on its own as if it has a will to do so.
Knowledge can be twisted and subverted for sure but only for a while, but show me someone who has been lied to and manipulated by his leaders and I will show you a motivated enemy.

Note: We do not fall into this class you will notice. ( typing blather and insults here does not constitute "The good fight ! " Sorry but you knew that. )

The reason the War was accelerated ( by our Enemies ) was the Hold of total ignorance that our opponents had over their people is ebbing.
With access to world wide news sources the Internet, Relatives who immigrated here. Etc., these people wont be able to be whipped up into a Religious frenzy for much longer.
( 72 virgins ) how long will that really last? its almost Comical if it wasn't so Sad.
They know Now what we look like, how we think, that we don't follow or own leaders blindly, we question our leaders, prod them, goad them, insult them.
They know they cant. Or rather Couldn't. Now they can in Iraq. They know why we are there in their land if you don't. With half of the new Voters in Iraq being women (mothers) how will that effect the age old Ruling class that was till recently composed solely of men? These people aren't dumb. If our efforts there are clumsy or misguided, They all know some who was lowered feet first into a shredder when it was Business as usual. These people are not suckers and they don't fall for the Stupid propaganda 100% Though I am sure some do. As some still do here.
You can fool some of the people all the time all the people some of the Time

Further, This " I know it all" attitude is the First thing you lose when you really start to learn.
Show me someone, Anyone from any field who says " I know all there is to learn" and I will show you an intellectually stunted person.

Spearhead wrote:

Rellim83 wrote:

IronFerret wrote:

and you pretend that figth a war against global terrorism (also "global" is just middle east), would be solve  occupying  every muslim nation in the world.. that just gonna make more terrorism... Iraq had no terrorism before ocupation and now.. look at media and open your eyes.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4675902.stm

.......I iraq had no terrorism before.......ARE U SERIOUS!!!!!!
The guy (Sadam Hussein)  made a public announcement providing a safe haven to all terrorists against America right after the invasion of afghanistan

He consistently bombed and murdered political rivals in the north and south(thats why they had a no fly zone since desert storm)

He has used chemical and biological weapons in the past.  (Israel, Kuwait)

He ploted to assassinate a former president.  (Bush sr.)

Oh ya and their was that whole thing about refusing to let weapons inspectors into the country for like 6 years....ya he might not have had anything but how could anybody possibly believe that when he refused to let weapons inspectors into the country.

I absolutly agree that the occupation in iraq has many problems, but i completly support going to war. Saddam was a threat to America, his neighbors, and his own people.  Saddam was given ample time and many warnings refusing to comply with weapons inspectors, all he had to do was let them inspect his facilities. He was stupid enough to refuse and thats why we had to go to war with him.

I hate assholes like you, who don't even see through the Bush administrations bullshit.  Don't you KNOW how worse things are in Africa?  You claim that Bush got Suddam to 'liberate' the people (even though it was clear that our initial motive to invade was because he had WMD's), yet HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people are dying world wide every year, whether it's from starvation, political oppression, or just plain killing.

Iran is a much larger threat than Iraq ever was.  So is North Korea.

If Bush wanted to 'liberate' the world, he's doing a bad job at that, too.  Don't get me wrong, we completely destroyed a stable, yes, stable, but oppresive government.  Now, there is no government at all, and we are occupying a country with unstable and very different people, who have hated eachothers guts for thousands of years.  War is inevitable, in a country in Iraq, whether we are there occupying it or not.

In my view, it's a civil war.  Let THEM decide if they should remain one, unified, fucked up country, or split into 3 seperate countries of their own.  But forcing them into it won't work, simple as that.

WW3, are you kidding me?  That's a joke and a disgrace to EVERY veteran who has ever served in any war for the United States.  60 MILLION people died in World War 2, and  something around 15 in World War 1.  We, the United States alone, have lost about 5,000.  That's a joke.  Is he implying that this is only the first stage?  Does our president know what the fuck he's talking about?  Or is he using this as a gimmick to scare people into voting for a pro-war republican candidate for 2008?

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-05-07 16:40:20)

IronFerret wrote:

Mike_J wrote:

are you guys pretending that the fight against global terrorism isn't a war?  open your eyes..

and you pretend that figth a war against global terrorism (also "global" is just middle east), would be solve  occupying  every muslim nation in the world.. that just gonna make more terrorism... Iraq had no terrorism before ocupation and now.. look at media and open your eyes.

also want to open your eyes.. this is how heroic iraq ocupation is:

"Philip Bloom, the American businessman at the center of a widening inquiry into corruption in Iraq, pleaded guilty Tuesday to federal charges of conspiracy, bribery, and money laundering for illegally obtaining millions of dollars in 2003 and 2004 that were meant for the reconstruction of Iraq."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0420/dailyUpdate.html

A U.S. government audit found American-led occupation authorities squandered tens of millions of dollars that were supposed to be used to rebuild Iraq through undocumented spending and outright fraud.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10789266/

    In one case, the Pentagon's own Defense Contract Audit Agency found that the leading U.S. contractor in Iraq, Halliburton subsidiary KBR, overcharged Iraq occupation authorities by $108 million for a task order to deliver fuel.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/ … gi/37/9946

Urgent measures must be taken to prevent the reconstruction of Iraq from turning into the world's biggest corruption scandal in history, a respected anti-corruption watchdog has said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ … FCC58A.htm

In the United States, a former official has admitted stealing millions of dollars meant for the reconstruction of Iraq.
Robert Stein admitted to stealing $2m from reconstruction funds.
Some of that money, the court heard, was smuggled onto aircraft and flown back to the United States in suitcases.
The case is an ugly twist in the tale of post-war Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4675902.stm

dedelus wrote:

sad thing is is that many people's opinion/facts are based of the US's biased media, all we show are the soldiers and civilians dieing.  thats because the people who report our news are buisnesses.  they only want to make money, and the way to do that is to show things with shock value.

IronFerret wrote:

It woudl be nice that:

1.- do not asume what i am or what i do, and what i know. (stay in topic)
2.- do not give anger response to rational coments
3.- try open your mind go out of your country for a while an listen for a change what other people have to say.

what did i post corruption scandals in iraq, because they are the best argument to say that America Goverment, and Army dont give a shit about iraq and their people. They were there just for personal interest and make a big blow "terror" play to impress. Following their Imperial ambition.. funny, sadly and maybe luckly for the world the present administration has manage to make Iraq a wordwide joke.. i have beeing, work and study in the US (shor time periods), and i feel bad because theres lot of cool people there, i agree with Lewis H. Hapman "WE HAVE IN THE WHITE HOUS A THIEF WHO STEALS THE COUNTRY`S GOOD NAME AND REPUTATION FOR HIS PRIVATE INTEREST AND PERSONAL USE", impeach him*harpers magazine/march 2006

US popularity has decrease worldwide.. now your a symbol for injustice-unesesary violence, corporate abuse, consumism, ecological waste and imperalism.. In one thing your allright its not my desicion im not American and im not planing in becoming one, but its sad for your history legacy, tradition and good people there, having this administration. It only pleace the ones that found satisfaction showing nation power with violence (arguing patriotism) and have a mind crowed with paranoic ideas.

IronFerret wrote:

It woudl be nice that:

1.- do not asume what i am or what i do, and what i know. (stay in topic)
2.- do not give anger response to rational coments
3.- try open your mind go out of your country for a while an listen for a change what other people have to say.

what did i post corruption scandals in iraq, because they are the best argument to say that America Goverment, and Army dont give a shit about iraq and their people. They were there just for personal interest and make a big blow "terror" play to impress. Following their Imperial ambition.. funny, sadly and maybe luckly for the world the present administration has manage to make Iraq a wordwide joke.. i have beeing, work and study in the US (shor time periods), and i feel bad because theres lot of cool people there, i agree with Lewis H. Hapman "WE HAVE IN THE WHITE HOUS A THIEF WHO STEALS THE COUNTRY`S GOOD NAME AND REPUTATION FOR HIS PRIVATE INTEREST AND PERSONAL USE", impeach him*harpers magazine/march 2006

US popularity has decrease worldwide.. now your a symbol for injustice-unesesary violence, corporate abuse, consumism, ecological waste and imperalism.. In one thing your allright its not my desicion im not American and im not planing in becoming one, but its sad for your history legacy, tradition and good people there, having this administration. It only pleace the ones that found satisfaction showing nation power with violence (arguing patriotism) and have a mind crowed with paranoic ideas.