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JohnG@lt wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I don't really understand the changes. Essentially they made all weapons of the same class interchangeable. Does it really matter if everyone is running around with a single type of weapon within a class? What's the point of unlocking new weapons if they are identical or worse to the old ones? Now it's essentially Generic AR, Generic SMG, Generic LMG, Generic Sniper rifle etc. with the only thing different between them is superficial and cosmetic. It's completely lame.

Was the change that dramatic? Where are the new weapon stats? They still seem different to me.

They flattened out all the weapons so they don't have dramatic decreases in damage the further the bullet travels. They also flattened out the damage differentials between weapons while keeping their cycle rates intact. For example, the F2000 used to have it's damage drop to its minimum at 42 meters, now the damage it deals is flat from point blank out to the edge of the map. Same for the M16 and the AEK. The variations between the different weapons now is mostly nothing more than cosmetic. This one shoots a 2 round burst, this one a 3 round, these are auto, this one looks cooler than that one etc. They're all essentially interchangeable now.

Well they all fire nearly the same caliber anyway. None of the ARs have a higher cal than the 5.56x45, the others might be a 5.45x39. It's like you're trying to make a difference between getting shot by an M416 (5.56x45) and an M16A2 (5.56x45). They both use the same caliber, the damage is hardly going to vary.  Then you've got the AEK-971 (spelling?) and AN-94 which probably both fire the 5.45x39, maybe the AN fires 7.62x39 since it's got such higher damage.

What I'm trying to say is, the only weapon not firing a NATO 5.56x45 is the AN-94.

So the cosmetics are the only difference, which is realistic. Maybe one is longer than the other, and you'd get spotted easier hiding in a bush, or if you want to conserve ammo while staying accurate you might want something with a slower ROF, etc.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Was the change that dramatic? Where are the new weapon stats? They still seem different to me.

They flattened out all the weapons so they don't have dramatic decreases in damage the further the bullet travels. They also flattened out the damage differentials between weapons while keeping their cycle rates intact. For example, the F2000 used to have it's damage drop to its minimum at 42 meters, now the damage it deals is flat from point blank out to the edge of the map. Same for the M16 and the AEK. The variations between the different weapons now is mostly nothing more than cosmetic. This one shoots a 2 round burst, this one a 3 round, these are auto, this one looks cooler than that one etc. They're all essentially interchangeable now.

Well they all fire nearly the same caliber anyway. None of the ARs have a higher cal than the 5.56x45, the others might be a 5.45x39. It's like you're trying to make a difference between getting shot by an M416 (5.56x45) and an M16A2 (5.56x45). They both use the same caliber, the damage is hardly going to vary.  Then you've got the AEK-971 (spelling?) and AN-94 which probably both fire the 5.45x39, maybe the AN fires 7.62x39 since it's got such higher damage.

What I'm trying to say is, the only weapon not firing a NATO 5.56x45 is the AN-94.

So the cosmetics are the only difference, which is realistic. Maybe one is longer than the other, and you'd get spotted easier hiding in a bush, or if you want to conserve ammo while staying accurate you might want something with a slower ROF, etc.

but it makes the gameplay suxx.

thepilot91 wrote:

1: BIGGER MAPS!
2: FIREMODES FFS!
3: all the other shit

automatic Abakan

I'll give DICE 100$ if they'll:

- Switch the M16A2 with the A4
- Properly model it's reloading and put the fucking parts where they really are (ejection port...)
- Make the fucking 40 mike mike a gadget that sacrifices something else for it.
- Make it single shot

Last edited by -Sh1fty- (2010-04-22 07:23:18)

Rod Foxx wrote:

Getting mighty sick of the pistol in this game. All the pistols should get a significant nerf.

Pistols should not be more powerful that a sniper rifle (allbeit a semi auto one). They shouldn't headshot either. The pistols in BF2 were perfect, whereas in this they are more powerful than many primary weapons and more accurate as well.

Honestly you could main the pistols and ignore the primaries and still dominate.

Rod Foxx's world:

What "should" be > gameplay

How good games are made:

Gameplay > how it "should" be

Trotskygrad wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

They flattened out all the weapons so they don't have dramatic decreases in damage the further the bullet travels. They also flattened out the damage differentials between weapons while keeping their cycle rates intact. For example, the F2000 used to have it's damage drop to its minimum at 42 meters, now the damage it deals is flat from point blank out to the edge of the map. Same for the M16 and the AEK. The variations between the different weapons now is mostly nothing more than cosmetic. This one shoots a 2 round burst, this one a 3 round, these are auto, this one looks cooler than that one etc. They're all essentially interchangeable now.

Well they all fire nearly the same caliber anyway. None of the ARs have a higher cal than the 5.56x45, the others might be a 5.45x39. It's like you're trying to make a difference between getting shot by an M416 (5.56x45) and an M16A2 (5.56x45). They both use the same caliber, the damage is hardly going to vary.  Then you've got the AEK-971 (spelling?) and AN-94 which probably both fire the 5.45x39, maybe the AN fires 7.62x39 since it's got such higher damage.

What I'm trying to say is, the only weapon not firing a NATO 5.56x45 is the AN-94.

So the cosmetics are the only difference, which is realistic. Maybe one is longer than the other, and you'd get spotted easier hiding in a bush, or if you want to conserve ammo while staying accurate you might want something with a slower ROF, etc.

but it makes the gameplay suxx.

Then they should've picked a wider variety of weapons. There are hundreds of different weapon systems in the world right now and they chose a bunch that are similar in everything but looks. Why not the AK-47 and it's 7.62mm round? Why choose two Russian ARs that both shoot the 5.45mm? Why choose 5 NATO rifles that all fire the 5.56? Where's the SCAR-H and it's 7.63 round? They had plenty of opportunity for variety and instead chose the route of sameness. I want variety in my weapons, I want them to have flaws and be good or bad depending on the situation. That no longer exists in this game.

FloppY_ wrote:

Lucien wrote:

Rod Foxx wrote:

Getting mighty sick of the pistol in this game. All the pistols should get a significant nerf.

Pistols should not be more powerful that a sniper rifle (allbeit a semi auto one). They shouldn't headshot either. The pistols in BF2 were perfect, whereas in this they are more powerful than many primary weapons and more accurate as well.

Honestly you could main the pistols and ignore the primaries and still dominate.

Rod Foxx's world:

What "should" be > gameplay

How good games are made:

Gameplay > how it "should" be

^ This

Quoted for Emphasis and Truth

thepilot91 wrote:

I want a silenced M4 for engineer , if I get that I won't bother with anything else . WANT WANT WANT!

NO. XM8C is superior.

Games would be better if people would think "Damn I got killed by a pistol" Instead of "Damn I got killed by a pistol DICE NERF OMG"

Ultrafunkula wrote:

That update I installed two days ago made the game lag like a motherfucker. Fun to spawn to a squadmate just to find myself standing still for two odd seconds in the line of fire and get shot instantly. Hope they fix this soon enough.

I had a round where i spawned with a wrench in my head or the spawn 15 seconds would just restart.

Last edited by Scratch[USA] (2010-04-23 04:13:46)

Haha, that's what I'd like to know.. bullet magnet?
This game is so unbalanced, when you finally get a good fire fight, some sniper fag is going to ruin it with mortar

What I don't get is people can run through my bullets and knife me from a room away, and I'm talking practically all bullets hitting at a very fast ROF (engineer PP2200 or whatever it's called, my bad) and they don't die, yet I can run up to someone stationary, knife them, blood comes out, knife again, more blood, the see me and knife, I'm dead.

Man, the knife is horribly broken for me. I suppose it's no real difference to BF2, so maybe they chucked that in for nostalgia.