pace51
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Mon. Apr. 19/10                                Pace51

Real world facts about the Me163 Komet

Maiden Flight: June 23, 1943
Powered by: Walter 1700 Kg- thrust HWK 509A-1 rocket motor
Max. Speed: 960 KpH
Armament: Two 30mm cannon

     As ww2 worsened for the Axis, the German inventions and designs became more innovative and radical. The Me163 is a perfect example of this. This aircraft was test-flown after the Me262, but was slightly newer. However, the Me163, although it looks like one, was not a jet. It was the world’s first rocket powered tailless glider, designed by Dr. Alexander Lippisch.

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/52201/Me163.jpg

     The Komet worked like this. Using rocket power, it would fly at incredible speeds (for the time), even faster than the Me262. The early versions could only achieve powered flight for a total of seven and a half minutes, although later versions weren’t much better. The aircraft would use rocket power to reach its targets, and engage them. However, this meant that there was huge room for error. The aircraft had to attack from a close proximity to its target. If the aircraft was towed, it could glide towards it’s targets, and then fire up the engine and engage them, meaning that it had more than enough fuel to engage it’s target and return home. However, if the aircraft flew from a base, it would have to use its engine to propel itself into the air. The problem with this is the limited amount of fuel the engine used. The aircraft would have lost a large amount of fuel flying to its target. When engaging a target, the speed of the glider meant that you had as little as 3 seconds to attack your target, as the first squadron using this plane to attack US bombers discovered. However, that was because the rocket gliders flew at top speed towards Flying Fortresses, limiting the window for attack, and that was only the first pass. However, when you fly back to your base, you only have usually a few minutes of powered flight left, if you’re lucky. You have to glide the rest of the way, which led to risky landings. Partly because the lack of powered flight gives you only one try, because you can’t really pull out of a landing or correct without power. You get one try. Secondly, Me163’s couldn’t engage enemy aircraft when landing. They could only land, usually while being shot at.

     Only 9 bombers were destroyed by this incredible aircraft, but it had some extraordinary new weaponry, the SG 500 Jagdfaust, (Fighter fist). This is how it worked. In the wing root’s, on either side of the fuselage, were 10 vertically firing tubes, 5 on each side of the wing. Each pointed straight up, and carried only on .50 calibre bullet. Ana photo-electric cell was mounted in the middle. This was a brilliant and devastating weapon. When the Me163 flew under a bombers shadow, the photo-electric cell noticed it. And when it noticed the shadow, all ten .50 bullets shot straight up… into the enemy bomber. It was successfully combat tested on a B-17, when a Komet destroyed it in mid-air.

     In late 1943, Japan, more specifically Mitsubishi, was able to get manufacturing rights from the Germans for this aircraft. The navy got the J8M1, and the army got the Ki-200. However, one of the u-boats carrying the blueprints was sunk. The Japanese, incredibly, were able to produce prototypes from the incomplete blueprints before the war ended. One even flew before the war ended.

     The Komet was futuristic in several ways. It was one of the first aircraft that used swept-wings, which were used in later fighters. It was rocket powered, and flew at incredible speeds. It was shaped like a combination of a bat and a dart, and was small and agile. The Komet used two hypergolic, or spontaneously combusting, liquids, T-Stoff and Z-Stoff. When they were combined, they reacted so violently the resulting explosion propelled it forward. It was flown at the secret test facility of Peenemunde in June 1940, by pilot Heini Dittmar. It had an awesome speed and a steep climb rate, and killer handling. One was towed to a height of 4000 meters before it was released. It fired its rocket engine and reached speeds of around 1003 KpH before it started to become unstable, which destroyed the world speed record at the time. However, the Komet’s were armed with cannons’, and only 60 rounds per cannon, and not particularly effective. They could have been, though, with more design improvements.

Me163 Komet. Discuss.
I'd upload images, but its not working for me temporarily.

Here are my sources:

Fighter Aircraft by Francis Crosby

Last edited by pace51 (2010-04-20 11:22:49)

mtb0minime
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I'm curious, where do you get your information? Do you have any sources you can link us to? As with any forms of research papers and whatnot, it's important to give us your sources. Otherwise we just have to take your word for all this, and it's nothing personal, but that's never a good idea.
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Stop forgetting the pictures please!
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Just to point this out, these are Real ww2 facts, not Real WORLD Facts, and since they aren't from the Real World (but another dimension called ww2) they are not real in our world.
Mekstizzle
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says the author of fake space facts
Doctor Strangelove
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Mekstizzle wrote:

says the author of fake space facts
I only provide Real World Factstm, you can tell mine are Real World Factstm because I denote them as such in the thread's title.
pace51
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mtb0minime wrote:

I'm curious, where do you get your information? Do you have any sources you can link us to? As with any forms of research papers and whatnot, it's important to give us your sources. Otherwise we just have to take your word for all this, and it's nothing personal, but that's never a good idea.
I'll give the mods my sources. Then, maybe I will publicly release them. They're just plane books, really. But, I'll give the sources to the mods first.
mtb0minime
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Great use that does us users. What if we want to find out more? I can't wait until your next topic. And until then I can't trust what you post either.
seymorebutts443
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he's probably pulling shit from wikipedia and rewording it.
mkxiii
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pace51 wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

I'm curious, where do you get your information? Do you have any sources you can link us to? As with any forms of research papers and whatnot, it's important to give us your sources. Otherwise we just have to take your word for all this, and it's nothing personal, but that's never a good idea.
I'll give the mods my sources. Then, maybe I will publicly release them. They're just plane books, really. But, I'll give the sources to the mods first.
you have to present your sources on this site, Rule number 20
RTHKI
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mkxiii wrote:

pace51 wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

I'm curious, where do you get your information? Do you have any sources you can link us to? As with any forms of research papers and whatnot, it's important to give us your sources. Otherwise we just have to take your word for all this, and it's nothing personal, but that's never a good idea.
I'll give the mods my sources. Then, maybe I will publicly release them. They're just plane books, really. But, I'll give the sources to the mods first.
you have to present your sources on this site, Rule number 20
Yea, thank Fancy_Pollux for that. Was because of him right?
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mkxiii
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RTHKI wrote:

mkxiii wrote:

pace51 wrote:


I'll give the mods my sources. Then, maybe I will publicly release them. They're just plane books, really. But, I'll give the sources to the mods first.
you have to present your sources on this site, Rule number 20
Yea, thank Fancy_Pollux for that. Was because of him right?
yep, "Fancy_Polluz rule"
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pace51 wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

I'm curious, where do you get your information? Do you have any sources you can link us to? As with any forms of research papers and whatnot, it's important to give us your sources. Otherwise we just have to take your word for all this, and it's nothing personal, but that's never a good idea.
I'll give the mods my sources. Then, maybe I will publicly release them. They're just plane books, really. But, I'll give the sources to the mods first.
You'll give the mods your sources.

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Obviously, some people are showing interest in your threads, but you aren't willing to meet requests for things like pictures, charts and sources. "Just plane books" doesn't cut it.

Let me rephrase:

wat
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don't listen to these rule-nazis (fitting given the topic, though)
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pace51
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Now with pictures!
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mkxiii wrote:

pace51 wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

I'm curious, where do you get your information? Do you have any sources you can link us to? As with any forms of research papers and whatnot, it's important to give us your sources. Otherwise we just have to take your word for all this, and it's nothing personal, but that's never a good idea.
I'll give the mods my sources. Then, maybe I will publicly release them. They're just plane books, really. But, I'll give the sources to the mods first.
you have to present your sources on this site, Rule number 20
11 Bravo
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begs to question why these threads are open and protected since they violate the rules.  pace must be a mod account or something.
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was wondering the same.
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Yo dawg we herd u liek real world facts threads so we put a bunch of faggots in your EE section to post them so you can rage while you sift through forum topics.
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It's MadDogsandRunningMen all over again.
Flaming_Maniac
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Okay this is not MadDogs.

He did give me his sources.

Fuck if I know why he isn't just telling you guys now, he is probably enjoying the absurd amount of attention you people are giving him.

He is hardly representing this information as his own, he'll give out the exact sources soon enough. As if anyone is actually going to walk over to their local library to find the book and check him.

They aren't being closed because it is safe to say he puts more effort into an OP than everyone on this thread except perhaps Hurricane has in months.

If you can't say something nice, shut the fuck up.
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...show me the schematic
13/f/taiwan
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

If you can't say something nice, shut the fuck up.
sheesh, talk about irony.
ruisleipa
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Learn to spell and use good grammar and I might take these threads more seriously. 5/10. Try harder.

And this:

pace51 wrote:

Each pointed straight up, and carried only on .50 calibre bullet.
Is wrong. wtf would ten .50 calibre bullets do to a bomber? They were 50 mm shells ffs. not so much real-world facts eh?

Still, keep trying.

Last edited by ruisleipa (2010-04-20 00:02:44)

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Fact edits about the ME163

It first flew in the spring of 1941, not 1940, and that was just a gliding test, first flight with the rocket engine was 2nd of October 1941.

Speed record with the ME163 was 1004,5 kmh and not "around 1003", a record that was unmatched until 1947.
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