Yeah I don't really think this is gonna end well with the current dst crowd. May as well close...
RPG my ass!eleven bravo wrote:
no, they were air assests in support of anti insurgency military operationsBeduin wrote:
Pilots were freedom fighters in this situation here. Fucking cowboys, I tell you son!eleven bravo wrote:
or your mom happened to have her inside leak out of every orifice of her body because she happened to be next the concussion of a freedom fighter's mortar
Freedom fighters thats what we are, remember that! You should know better...
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LMAO fucks sake.mtb0minime wrote:
Hmm, whose side (members in this thread, I mean) am I gonna choose? Sheep watching youtube videos and jumping to conclusions? Or people who have actually been there/done that (well, not that which is shown specifically in the video, but you know what I mean)?
How about make your OWN mind up...sheep.
Sighruisleipa wrote:
So if there's any doubt they could be shooting civilians they shouldn't. Simple.Vilham wrote:
1. Those pilots have to react instantly, they don't have time to send the video back, let it be analyzed for a few hours then open fire.And a rucksack strap looks like a gun strap. Gonna shoot backpackers? And a piece of pipe looks like a gun. You gonna shoot plumbers now too?Vilham wrote:
2. Those straps on the cameras from several hundred feet up will look just the same as any guns strap.Everyone and hios dog in Iraq has an AK. And so what anyway? An AK vs. an APache...hmmm...not much danger there is there? nad two had AKs - what about the other ten or so who were killed and the kids in the van, did they have some weapons? err...no.Vilham wrote:
3. Two of them DID have AKs.aaahh so it's the civilians fault for being there. riiight. makes sense. how silly to think otherwise.Vilham wrote:
4. The guy who sat on the corner pointing something up at the choppers is A, an insurgent with a RPG. B, a fucking moron for sitting in a hidden position pointing something at someone who is on the lookout for people trying to kill him.
What an excellent response, categorically refuting all my points. Well done :slowhandclap:M.O.A.B wrote:
Sigh
I wasn't there so I can'truisleipa wrote:
LMAO fucks sake.mtb0minime wrote:
Hmm, whose side (members in this thread, I mean) am I gonna choose? Sheep watching youtube videos and jumping to conclusions? Or people who have actually been there/done that (well, not that which is shown specifically in the video, but you know what I mean)?
How about make your OWN mind up...sheep.
sarcasm and cynicism only shows your lack of a valid argument.Beduin wrote:
RPG my ass!eleven bravo wrote:
no, they were air assests in support of anti insurgency military operationsBeduin wrote:
Pilots were freedom fighters in this situation here. Fucking cowboys, I tell you son!
Freedom fighters thats what we are, remember that! You should know better...
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No, but you can weigh up the evidence and related information and then make up your own mind...you don't need to be on the spot at every event to have an opinion on it do you?mtb0minime wrote:
I wasn't there so I can'truisleipa wrote:
LMAO fucks sake.mtb0minime wrote:
Hmm, whose side (members in this thread, I mean) am I gonna choose? Sheep watching youtube videos and jumping to conclusions? Or people who have actually been there/done that (well, not that which is shown specifically in the video, but you know what I mean)?
How about make your OWN mind up...sheep.
irony is ironiceleven bravo wrote:
sarcasm and cynicism only shows your lack of a valid argument.
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You have a good imagination, there was no one with RPG.Vilham wrote:
1. Those pilots have to react instantly, they don't have time to send the video back, let it be analyzed for a few hours then open fire.ruisleipa wrote:
shooting at unamred civilians and children? noooooo...nothing wrong there. good show pilots!Vilham wrote:
I see nothing that pilots did wrong.
2. Those straps on the cameras from several hundred feet up will look just the same as any guns strap.
3. Two of them DID have AKs.
4. The guy who sat on the corner pointing something up at the choppers is A, an insurgent with a RPG. B, a fucking moron for sitting in a hidden position pointing something at someone who is on the lookout for people trying to kill him.
cliched and overused phrase is cliche and over usedruisleipa wrote:
irony is ironic
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From watching that, when you see a suspicious group of armed guys in an active warzone, you assume they're all insurgents.
The airmen in the Apache's followed the rules of engagement. If the casualties weren't armed then yes you have a point, but as it is, they looked like insurgents and you don't take chances in a war.
The airmen in the Apache's followed the rules of engagement. If the casualties weren't armed then yes you have a point, but as it is, they looked like insurgents and you don't take chances in a war.
irony is ironiceleven bravo wrote:
cliched and overused phrase is cliche and over usedruisleipa wrote:
irony is ironic
There will ALWAYS be doubt. That actually has to possibly be one of the most stupid comments I have ever heard. Anyone standing in the middle of a bunch of insurgents who isn't holding a gun "could" be a civilian. That doesn't mean you don't open fire if you see people with guns. Besides the fact that you are ignoring that they didn't just open fire, they requested permission from higher up their command. Ill say it again, the pilots did nothing wrong. Get your head out of our arse, for fucks sake.ruisleipa wrote:
So if there's any doubt they could be shooting civilians they shouldn't. Simple.Vilham wrote:
1. Those pilots have to react instantly, they don't have time to send the video back, let it be analyzed for a few hours then open fire.
No they don't. Guys with straps standing next to guys with AKs, the chance of those straps being guns = high. Get your head out of our arse, for fucks sake.And a rucksack strap looks like a gun strap. Gonna shoot backpackers? And a piece of pipe looks like a gun. You gonna shoot plumbers now too?Vilham wrote:
2. Those straps on the cameras from several hundred feet up will look just the same as any guns strap.
What do you even thinking the coalition is doing in Iraq???? Get your head out of our arse, for fucks sake.Everyone and hios dog in Iraq has an AK. And so what anyway? An AK vs. an APache...hmmm...not much danger there is there? nad two had AKs - what about the other ten or so who were killed and the kids in the van, did they have some weapons? err...no.Vilham wrote:
3. Two of them DID have AKs.
No its the civilians fault for not thinking for two seconds. Get your head out of our arse, for fucks sake.aaahh so it's the civilians fault for being there. riiight. makes sense. how silly to think otherwise.Vilham wrote:
4. The guy who sat on the corner pointing something up at the choppers is A, an insurgent with a RPG. B, a fucking moron for sitting in a hidden position pointing something at someone who is on the lookout for people trying to kill him.
I genuinely think you are one of the most ignorant people that have ever particpiated in this forum ryebread. worse than lowing. maybe on the same lavel as lowing rather.
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Exactly. That's why I'm "debating" about whose side I should trust more (regarding information, evidence, etc.). Although I'm being sarcastic in my use of the word "debating". Because it's not really a debate in my mind.ruisleipa wrote:
No, but you can weigh up the evidence and related information and then make up your own mind...you don't need to be on the spot at every event to have an opinion on it do you?mtb0minime wrote:
I wasn't there so I can'truisleipa wrote:
LMAO fucks sake.
How about make your OWN mind up...sheep.
irony is still ironic.eleven bravo wrote:
I genuinely think you are one of the most ignorant people that have ever particpiated in this forum
spam is thata way
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eleven bravo wrote:
I genuinely think you are one of the most ignorant people that have ever particpiated in this forum ryebread. worse than lowing. maybe on the same lavel as lowing rather.
mtb0minime wrote:
If it weren't for Don, Eifa, and Ultra, (hope I didn't miss anyone) I'd think all Fins were this retarded
irony is even more ironiceleven bravo wrote:
spam is thata way
for real man. I heard they have the smartest kids in the world too. thats obviously not true. ryebread fucked up the average.mtb0minime wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
I genuinely think you are one of the most ignorant people that have ever particpiated in this forum ryebread. worse than lowing. maybe on the same lavel as lowing rather.mtb0minime wrote:
If it weren't for Don, Eifa, and Ultra, (hope I didn't miss anyone) I'd think all Fins were this retarded
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mission accomplished, thread derailed.
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Well don't say/I didn't warn ya, andy the homeless guy I met last week could do a better job at debating than people here.
valid argument?eleven bravo wrote:
sarcasm and cynicism only shows your lack of a valid argument.Beduin wrote:
RPG my ass!eleven bravo wrote:
no, they were air assests in support of anti insurgency military operations
Freedom fighters thats what we are, remember that! You should know better...
You are calling insurgents freedom fighters that blows up civies at the same time you know that we are the freedom fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan and we also tend to blow up people. It actually made things worst for us.
We have a perfect example here where things got covered up!
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/HUGE FUCKING FACEPALMOttomania wrote:
You have a good imagination, there was no one with RPG.Vilham wrote:
1. Those pilots have to react instantly, they don't have time to send the video back, let it be analyzed for a few hours then open fire.ruisleipa wrote:
shooting at unamred civilians and children? noooooo...nothing wrong there. good show pilots!
2. Those straps on the cameras from several hundred feet up will look just the same as any guns strap.
3. Two of them DID have AKs.
4. The guy who sat on the corner pointing something up at the choppers is A, an insurgent with a RPG. B, a fucking moron for sitting in a hidden position pointing something at someone who is on the lookout for people trying to kill him.
He was B. I thought I made that 100% clear. Jesus christ.
ive never used the term freedom fighters describing US forces in iraq. youre a real serious idiot for jumping to conclusions like that.
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