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2010-01-13 20:34:16
Dilbert_X
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2. Fine, but in proportion to income
3. Take their license away for social safety by all means, but don't make it the sole punishment.

There's a story here about a guy who had his Lambo impounded for a week, he put it in for a service and the mechanic took it out for a spin.
Widespread consequences on that one, impounding cars is another option.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-01-13 20:36:39)

Fuck Israel
2010-01-13 20:37:58
Flaming_Maniac
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2. No, not in proportion. Drastically in absolute value. It's fair and effective.
3. Because?

The point has been made over and over that there are solutions that are even-handed and acceptable. You aren't even arguing point 1 anymore so I don't know what the point of this is. So long as there is one fair and effective solution there is no need to sacrifice justice for compliance.
2010-01-13 20:55:06
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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You dropped point 1.
There isn't one fair and effective solution which will be suitable in all situations, and it was you who said license suspension should be on the table, I've already explained why that wouldn't always be fair.
Take for example a city stock-broker who takes the train to work and his Porsche for spins at the weekend, compared with a truck-driver, would a license suspension be equally fair in both cases?

Maybe it should all be at the discretion of the judge, in which case whoever can afford the best lawyer gets the best deal....
Fuck Israel
2010-01-13 21:00:11
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6993|67.222.138.85

Dilbert_X wrote:

You dropped point 1.
There isn't one fair and effective solution which will be suitable in all situations, and it was you who said license suspension should be on the table, I've already explained why that wouldn't always be fair.
Take for example a city stock-broker who takes the train to work and his Porsche for spins at the weekend, compared with a truck-driver, would a license suspension be equally fair in both cases?

Maybe it should all be at the discretion of the judge, in which case whoever can afford the best lawyer gets the best deal....

Dilbert_X wrote:

1. Community service - OK
Yes, it would be, because they broke the same law, had the same knowledge of the law or ability to acquire knowledge about the law, and had equal consequences administered. If the truck driver feels the consequences of being caught breaking said law would be highly adverse to his career path, then he should choose to not break the law.
2010-01-14 09:53:43
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England
How about we install radio signals on all speed limit signs that automatically limit your speed to the maximum allowable? No more fines!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-01-14 10:37:42
eleven bravo
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have to do environmental impact assessments
Tu Stultus Es
2010-01-14 11:00:46
Flaming_Maniac
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JohnG@lt wrote:

How about we install radio signals on all speed limit signs that automatically limit your speed to the maximum allowable? No more fines!
safety hazard if you're serious
2010-01-14 11:01:56
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

How about we install radio signals on all speed limit signs that automatically limit your speed to the maximum allowable? No more fines!
safety hazard if you're serious
How would it be a safety hazard?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-01-14 11:03:50
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6993|67.222.138.85

JohnG@lt wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

How about we install radio signals on all speed limit signs that automatically limit your speed to the maximum allowable? No more fines!
safety hazard if you're serious
How would it be a safety hazard?
Because speed is at times a necessary tool to avoid collisions?
2010-01-14 11:04:39
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


safety hazard if you're serious
How would it be a safety hazard?
Because speed is at times a necessary tool to avoid collisions?
Then why have speed limits at all?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-01-14 11:14:10
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6993|67.222.138.85

JohnG@lt wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


How would it be a safety hazard?
Because speed is at times a necessary tool to avoid collisions?
Then why have speed limits at all?
...

Because a temporary speed increase is not the same as an average speed increase.
2010-01-15 12:39:45
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6868|SE London

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


Because speed is at times a necessary tool to avoid collisions?
Then why have speed limits at all?
...

Because a temporary speed increase is not the same as an average speed increase.
Bit off topic, but this kind of reminded me of it:

There is some talk if implementing a huge average speed camera network throughout residential areas over here.

I think that could work. I'd rather have that than all the speed bumps everywhere....
2010-01-15 14:23:33
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6982|NJ
Wow that's retarded. It really really is, that's just paving a way to make all fines higher. Also on that note does someone who make 200 euro a week get less of a speeding ticket
2010-01-16 00:41:18
ruisleipa
Member
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cpt.fass1 wrote:

Wow that's retarded. It really really is, that's just paving a way to make all fines higher. Also on that note does someone who make 200 euro a week get less of a speeding ticket
there is a minimum iirc.

 

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