BF2S Forums The Home Depot Fires Man for "One Nation Under God" Button

destruktion_6143 wrote:

lowing wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

again, this isnt about what the pin is about, it was about the guy refusing to follow company policy. Fair and simple, big box retail stores have to keep their appearance standardized across all stores, especially since it is an international company. China, Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. stores have to look the same to represent the company. hence the dress code. Why is everyone blowing this out of proportion?

I see, so terminating a man. Removing his ability to provide food shelter and clothing for his family for wearing a non-offensive button because a company is too scare of offending someone IS NOT "blowing this out of proportion". Pointing it out is. Got it.

are you thick or something? IT IS NOT about offending, it is about keeping a consistent image across all stores. Hence the uniform. Companies have dress codes to keep a consistent image across the multiple nations they are located. They gave him the option of removing the non HD pin, and wearing a HD "united we stand" pin. He was fired for not complying with regulation.

You are all for punishing a person, innocent or not, for not complying with a police officer. Same theory here. HD asked him to replace pin with a HD one. Police officer asks a black Harvard professor for his ID. Both refused, both were punished.

I am not disagreeing that he broke company policy. I am arguing that PC is the reason this policy was enacted, That a fear of offending someone for such a benign non-offensive statement has now, in our country become a statement to be feared and loathed. Again 25 years ago this would not have been an issue. The PC of it all is the issue I am raising. The extent companies think they must go to protect themselves is the issue I am raising.

Marconius wrote:

And my point still remains that you have no point.  I don't care what's on the button, and anything being PC or not, you cannot change the overall feeling of the culture; someone will always be offended by something, and that's been going on for much, Much longer than any PC legislation.  Dress codes aren't generally built around political correctness, they are just built to make sure that the business is the only thing being represented.  Most corporations want to remain socially and politically neutral so as to not drive away customers.

I wouldn't be offended by a button, but it would deter me from the business if every employee started wearing right-wing buttons.  It would lead me to believe that the business approved of right-wing practices and policies, and probably funds right-wing politicians.  I would stop going there so as to not further support something I do not agree with.  If everyone followed dress code, I'd be none the wiser.  Nothing to do with anything being PC or not, more to do with the company protecting its business.

I did not miss your point, and you are correct, he broke the rules.

My point goes deeper into why such a bullshit rule needed to be established and well, at least you admit it, it is people like you that companies are afraid of offending. People like you are the very reason a company must now be afraid of showing pride in the very country that gave it the freedom to thrive in.

company uniform

uni-form

one-form

all employees must wear the same outfit.  I can't wear any logos or sayings at my job, patriotic or otherwise.  Get over it.

And anyone who was offended by the button:  gtfo of my country

DrunkFace wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

And anyone who was offended by the button:  gtfo of my country

Lucky I'm not in your country cause I'd be offended. I ain't under no god, fuck God I'm better then any freaking god. At least I exist.

It's his religion, he can say whatever the hell he wants, freedom of speech.  You don't have to believe it, just tolerate it.

DrunkFace wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Lucky I'm not in your country cause I'd be offended. I ain't under no god, fuck God I'm better then any freaking god. At least I exist.

It's his religion, he can say whatever the hell he wants, freedom of speech.  You don't have to believe it, just tolerate it.

Goddamn aussies

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lowing wrote:

Marconius wrote:

And my point still remains that you have no point.  I don't care what's on the button, and anything being PC or not, you cannot change the overall feeling of the culture; someone will always be offended by something, and that's been going on for much, Much longer than any PC legislation.  Dress codes aren't generally built around political correctness, they are just built to make sure that the business is the only thing being represented.  Most corporations want to remain socially and politically neutral so as to not drive away customers.

I wouldn't be offended by a button, but it would deter me from the business if every employee started wearing right-wing buttons.  It would lead me to believe that the business approved of right-wing practices and policies, and probably funds right-wing politicians.  I would stop going there so as to not further support something I do not agree with.  If everyone followed dress code, I'd be none the wiser.  Nothing to do with anything being PC or not, more to do with the company protecting its business.

I did not miss your point, and you are correct, he broke the rules.

My point goes deeper into why such a bullshit rule needed to be established and well, at least you admit it, it is people like you that companies are afraid of offending. People like you are the very reason a company must now be afraid of showing pride in the very country that gave it the freedom to thrive in.

If the rules are rules, this person broke them.  You could argue that if this button were allowed, then the rule is now flexible, bendable, and could lead to vague preferential treatment..... why was this button allowed, and my "I love tits" button not?  The answer is obvious, but to avoid bullshit lawsuits of "this guy got away with it and i didn't"  It may be easiest to merely set the rule in stone, and avoid a costly and liable precedent used against you later.  That may have been a factor.

Does the story smell really unfair? yeah.   It reeks of bullshit.  But there may be reasons, like the one I suggest.  I sure as shit know i'd be pissed if I ws the employee terminated though.  As with life, there is more to the story, knee jerk reactions to this story ( and maybe the same for the parties involved) probably don't have a fair grasp on the entirety of the situation.

m3thod wrote:

i love it.

This guy broke the rules and got fired.

i love it.

(remind you of anyone?)

no......

m3thod wrote:

read moar troll less.

or dont be a douche and explain what you are talking aboot.

He didn't get fired for having pride in his country, he got fired for not following the rules.  What don't you understand about this?

You all just refuse to look at the underlying causes of this don't you?  Just can't peel back the layer and see what instigates companies to taking such action against an otherwise perfect employee. Fired because of what someone else  ( like Marconious) would think about your beliefs and take steps to stiffle them. Oh well. I suppose if I were pro- PC and forced "fairness" I would refuse to acknowledge it as well.

Lowing, many companies have had policies regarding religious and political paraphernalia for years; long before your so called PC movement.

You're being a typical conservative hypocrite.  You espouse the free market economy and business rights, up until you don't agree with them, then you turn into a broken record and blame the liberals or the Muslims.

Oh, and by the way, even if it wasn't against their dress code, an employer can still tell you that something is inappropriate for work and make you remove it.  He refused the request and was fired.  So lets see, he broke their dress (whether you like it or not is irrelevant), and refused to comply with an order from their superior.

He fought the law, and the law won.

We've already made the point the PC doesn't much have to do with this issue.  You're just bringing it up due to the content of the pin, but it ultimately Isn't the cause of dress-code policies.  You just want it to be an issue so you can denounce anyone who doesn't like "One nation under god" under the guise of patriotism.

lowing wrote:

By the way, One nation under God, is not a religious expression. It is a patriotic one. You will find that quote in no religious text.

*facepalm* Sorry, if it involves "God" then it is religious.  It was only added into the Pledge to try to set ourselves apart from the "godless communists" of the Cold War era back in the 50s.  The Knights of Columbus and many other religious institutions were able to push that through since calling them on it would've been a 'communist' thing to do.  In fact, quite a lot of people were mad about it as it effectively destroyed the "indivisible" part of the Pledge that was emphatically written to honor the outcome of the Civil War (One nation indivisible).  Adding "god" to it ended up dividing the country yet again, as not everyone believed in the same god, let alone believe in a god at all.  If you outed yourself about the latter back then, you'd be blackballed from society and effectively hunted by the government, especially if you were in a position of political power.  So drop the bullshit.