BF2S Forums Police: Man ran down 'too Westernized' daughter

rammunition wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Islamic culture will change, they are slowly becoming more westernised, its going to take a generation or so.
I watched a program about Saudi Arabia, they know they can only move towards a more Westernised culture but they are stuck with a majority of conservative elders who think smiling is un-islamic.

We need to wait for these guys to die out, the young to take their place and change their society.

Then you will forgive me if continue I hate that religion and culture and want to keep it out of western society until they adopt western values. Or stay the fuck in the ME.

Here's the hypocrisy.

You hate it when "they" bring their culture over here, but want them to adopt "your" culture? Why should they adopt "your" culture when you won't adopt "theirs"?

wow just wow

That's gotta be the most retarded post Ive ever seen from you (and thats saying alot)

They are the ones coming to us, not the other way around, seriously you gotta be fucking taking the piss if you cant see that, or just unbelievably retarded?

Im not sure which one applies here?

rammunition wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Islamic culture will change, they are slowly becoming more westernised, its going to take a generation or so.
I watched a program about Saudi Arabia, they know they can only move towards a more Westernised culture but they are stuck with a majority of conservative elders who think smiling is un-islamic.

We need to wait for these guys to die out, the young to take their place and change their society.

Then you will forgive me if continue I hate that religion and culture and want to keep it out of western society until they adopt western values. Or stay the fuck in the ME.

Here's the hypocrisy.

You hate it when "they" bring their culture over here, but want them to adopt "your" culture? Why should they adopt "your" culture when you won't adopt "theirs"?

So true rummy...  I just ran over my sister with my car for listening to a western music station... Is this the culture you are talking about?
   We in the US.... prefer the peaceful muslims that come here that enjoy living in the US and although they are proud of where they came from...    They leave the whole running over family members with a car if they disagree with them part of the culture back home...

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2009-10-22 15:37:34)

Diesel_dyk wrote:

BTW it shouldn't be too hard to understand the culture versus religion distinction. just look at the southern baptists and how messed up they are. They still have segregationist beliefs based on the fact that there are black churches and white churches.

^/epic facepalm

Your views of the south are so ridiculously skewed as to be laughable. I wonder just what they are based on, because they are clearly not based on any kind of measurable personal experience.

Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

BTW it shouldn't be too hard to understand the culture versus religion distinction. just look at the southern baptists and how messed up they are. They still have segregationist beliefs based on the fact that there are black churches and white churches.

^/epic facepalm

Your views of the south are so ridiculously skewed as to be laughable. I wonder just what they are based on, because they are clearly not based on any kind of measurable personal experience.

Aren't most of the "black" churches led by white pastors?

No. Some are, but I wouldn't say it's a majority by any measure.

FEOS wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

BTW it shouldn't be too hard to understand the culture versus religion distinction. just look at the southern baptists and how messed up they are. They still have segregationist beliefs based on the fact that there are black churches and white churches.

^/epic facepalm

Your views of the south are so ridiculously skewed as to be laughable. I wonder just what they are based on, because they are clearly not based on any kind of measurable personal experience.

well bless your little old heart...

I've had more than a few conversations that have left me and it was no laughing matter. I've come the conclusion that southern baptists are not really Christians. And the southern cultural take on christianity is really something else, take the phrase what would JC do, then do the exact opposite and you've got a southern conservative christian, who IMO have more in common with conservative Jews that JC.

And that would be the cultural influence on religion in a nutshell. But if I have some how offended you, then just say that you believe that your religon is the one true faith and we'll all understand where your coming from.

FEOS wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

FEOS wrote:

^/epic facepalm

Your views of the south are so ridiculously skewed as to be laughable. I wonder just what they are based on, because they are clearly not based on any kind of measurable personal experience.

well bless your little old heart...

I've had more than a few conversations that have left me and it was no laughing matter. I've come the conclusion that southern baptists are not really Christians. And the southern cultural take on christianity is really something else, take the phrase what would JC do, then do the exact opposite and you've got a southern conservative christian, who IMO have more in common with conservative Jews that JC.

And that would be the cultural influence on religion in a nutshell. But if I have some how offended you, then just say that you believe that your religon is the one true faith and we'll all understand where your coming from.

You've offended nothing. Ignorance is not offensive. It's just sad.

You speak so authoritatively about something you clearly have no experience with...yet again. Conversations. Whatever.

Perhaps a little recap on the posting

The question on the thread was posed about culture versus religion. Some people were spewing crap that Islam is a religion of violence, to which I basically said, hold on a second and read your bible, the same bible that all judiaism, christianity and islam comes from full of violence inclduing genocide in the name of god.

Now its my understanding that there are different islamic groups. Shiite, Sunni, Wahabi, and some other group in Libia and they all hate each other. In fact they are bombing and killing each other all the time. But that doesn't mean their religon is violent, it means they have a cultural and racist hatred for each other and they use religion to claim that its in the name of god... sounds familiar? just like in the old testament... so I wonder where those stupid ideas originated.... so before lambasting those guys look back on yourself and the common roots of your own religion.

The main differences between them as far as I can see are cultural with racist attitudes between each of the groups. Arabs hate Persians, Arabs hate black muslims, they hate muslims in Indonesia, what ever, Now, I put out there that culture does have bearing on religion and violence and used Southern Baptists as an example.

So, I pointed out, and rightly so that if you look at the southern baptists you have white churches and black churches, and that sure looks like cultural segregation to me. And IMO its no coicidence that its in the south with its history of racism and segregation of the races that we find this rather unique cultural aspect embewed on religion... it has nothing to do with religion in general or christianity specifically. It has to do with the culture of the south.

And perhaps explain to me the great southern embarrassment called the KKK. Now there is a fine example of how a skewed culture can take racism and cultural hatred and roll them into a religion in order to justify horrible acts. But then again using a very broad brush one could take this group of idiots and by the powers of generalization say that christianity is a religion of violence.

Personally I can't stand the fire and brimstone crap, it used to open the way to justifying violence in the name of religion, when in fact its based on racism and a bias against another culture... its not what JC was teaching, imo he was trying to get away from those stories of killing in the name of a vengeful god rationales. Its anti-christian, its "anti-red words." Yet, I hear these justification being made all the time, its plain ridiculous unless of course christianity is a religion of violence - But I know its not -its only the idiots that want to use the religion to perpetrate their violent acts that are violent POS.

So Yah, I don't know what I'm talking about and have no basis for reference/sarcasm. The examples are there in plain sight so save me the "you don't understand southern culture" crap. What I can't stand are people who want to lay a veneer of cultural bias across a religion in order to justify their hatred and their acts of violence.  /JC hangs his head in disappointment.

If people insist on hurling baseless and ignorant insults, then I'm going to hold up the looking glass.



And back to the OP, the guy running down his daughter in the name of his culture is an idiot... an idiot that is on his way to jail. And it something that's not unfamilar with other old world cultures, when they move here they still want their kids to observe the culture and marry within the group. A friend had a greek girlfriend and her father eventually made her break up with him and he shipped her back to greece to find a greek husband... and they were christian.... Its cultural.

FEOS wrote:

There is a key cultural difference you are overlooking: there is little to no separation between culture and religion in the Islamic world.

Really, there is no difference between cultures in the Islamic world, and there is no seperation between culture and religion in the Islamic world.
That's how you justify the Islam is violent point of view... whatever, they all love each other and hate all christians right? So just who is propagating an erroneous stereotype.

Listen you don't like my point of view, that's tough because its accurate. And I do take note on how you're not engaging on the points about genocide in the bible, that the bible is violent, that the three major religons having the same roots, nor about the impact of segregation on culture and religion in the south, nor the KKK using religion for acts of violence. Because I fail to see how your explanations about secular and religious permit you to ignore these points while trying to run your stereotypes about Islam. To me all of your arguments are mirrored right back at you.

In fact look at these

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl … led_arson/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/na … urches.htm

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BLACK+CHU … a083950321

http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option … Itemid=117

http://cms.firehouse.com/web/online/New … e/46$43159

You know some how I don't think I am stereotyping that much when you see crap like this because what I see is a culture of hatred attacking a religion. But here is the question I pose to you,
What if the arsonists in these cases are christian does that mean that christianity is a religion of violence? NO, it means they are idiot racists using religion as an excuse.
What if the arsonists are muslim? Still NO, just idiots acting on their cultural views of hatred.

They are violent idiots and criminals, and the worst are the haters that try to twist religous doctrine to fit their twisted views.

There is no difference. Difference only exists because people want to see difference in order to justify their point of view and all of that type of shit fits under the "my shit doesn't stink" delusion.









BTW that old post about the cop beating the paramedic here's an update, the idiot got suspended again for beating someone else up http://www.officer.com/online/article.j … mp;Dir=ASC
I read that he is now blaming it all on his experiences in Iraq. I still stick to my original thoughts that the other troopers should want to see him fired. And I'll also stick to the view that that there are racism problems between Indians and whites in Oklahoma.

....and then you have fucking dogs barking all over. Islam this Islam that.

Author Jonathan Lyons is well-qualified for the task. He spent many years as a Reuters foreign correspondent in Islam and is affiliated with the Global Terrorism Research Centre at Monash University in Melbourne. As he describes, it was centuries of Arab scholarship that enabled Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Einstein and their successors to develop mathematics and cosmology. Lyons’s history validates the proposition that science transcends rival national ideologies. In consideration of how Iraq has been devastated in the past few years, it is ironic to reflect that Baghdad was founded 1,246 years ago and soon afterwards became a supreme centre of international intellectual enlightenment.

But the dogs don't know that. They know how to bark though.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

FEOS wrote:

There is a key cultural difference you are overlooking: there is little to no separation between culture and religion in the Islamic world.

Really, there is no difference between cultures in the Islamic world, and there is no seperation between culture and religion in the Islamic world.
That's how you justify the Islam is violent point of view... whatever, they all love each other and hate all christians right? So just who is propagating an erroneous stereotype.

I'm not sure just who you think you're debating with here, Diesel.

I'm not making "Islam is violent" claims. I haven't. I'm not. I won't. Because it's not my position. You're confusing me with someone else.

Additionally, I also never said there is no difference between cultures in the Islamic world. There most certainly is. I said there is no distinction made between culture and religion because religion is such an integral part of every single aspect of life for believers of Islam that it cannot be separated. There is a difference. In the West, we do make a distinction between the two. Just as we can't understand not making the distinction, they can't understand us making the distinction.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

Listen you don't like my point of view, that's tough because its accurate.

If it were accurate, I wouldn't take issue with it.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

And I do take note on how you're not engaging on the points about genocide in the bible, that the bible is violent, that the three major religons having the same roots, nor about the impact of segregation on culture and religion in the south, nor the KKK using religion for acts of violence. Because I fail to see how your explanations about secular and religious permit you to ignore these points while trying to run your stereotypes about Islam. To me all of your arguments are mirrored right back at you.

Again, I'm not sure who you think you're arguing with, but it's not me. I never argued those points because I find no fault with them. But go ahead and keep beating your chest if it makes you feel better.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

In fact look at these

<several links to black churches being burned down by arsonists>

You know some how I don't think I am stereotyping that much when you see crap like this because what I see is a culture of hatred attacking a religion. But here is the question I pose to you,
What if the arsonists in these cases are christian does that mean that christianity is a religion of violence? NO, it means they are idiot racists using religion as an excuse.
What if the arsonists are muslim? Still NO, just idiots acting on their cultural views of hatred.

They are violent idiots and criminals, and the worst are the haters that try to twist religous doctrine to fit their twisted views.

There is no difference. Difference only exists because people want to see difference in order to justify their point of view and all of that type of shit fits under the "my shit doesn't stink" delusion.

Are you fucking high?!

Has anyone said those churches that were burned down more than twenty years ago were done in the name of Christianity? Seems more like it's also just because they were churches:

Washington Post wrote:

As of yesterday, there had been 37 suspicious fires at black churches in the last 18 months, including two in Mississippi late Monday night. During about the same time frame, according to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), there have been 23 suspicious fires at predominantly white churches, which far outnumber black churches. Just this week, another white church, in suburban Atlanta, was heavily damaged by fire that investigators are examining for possible arson.

Your analytical skills are simply stunning, Diesel. Really. Racists burn down both predominantly black and white churches and you say Christianity is a religion of violence and racism, even though there is no evidence that the perps did so in the name of Christianity. Top notch.

Regardless, if that happened to be the case, it would fit the "twisting the teachings of my religion" case...which I am not arguing against. Again, I don't know who you think you're arguing with on that issue. I am in complete agreement that assholes worldwide and throughout history have twisted religion to suit their needs and justify their actions--which is why I am not a fan of organized religion in general.

Diesel_dyk wrote:

BTW that old post about the cop beating the paramedic here's an update, the idiot got suspended again for beating someone else up http://www.officer.com/online/article.j … mp;Dir=ASC
I read that he is now blaming it all on his experiences in Iraq. I still stick to my original thoughts that the other troopers should want to see him fired. And I'll also stick to the view that that there are racism problems between Indians and whites in Oklahoma.

So it's one guy. I thought it was endemic and that all those redneck bastards were that way and hated all those Indians (even though the EMT in the first incident wasn't an Indian). Strange that when I talked to my cousin (who is an OK state trooper), his sister (a nurse and former Creek nation EMT) and her husband (a full-blood Creek national who lives on the rez with my cousin)...their take on it was completely different than you. But clearly they don't know much about it...they probably need to have some conversations with some people or something instead of living it every day to really understand it like you do.

m3thod wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

srsly, what kind of culture makes women cover up and hates dogs.  come on guys.

A non western culture?

women dont cover up in japan or china....although they eat dogs

FEOS wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

m3thod wrote:

A non western culture?

women dont cover up in japan or china....although they eat dogs

So they don't hate them. In fact they like them. With a side of taters.

taters?

in japan?

Last edited by Spark (2009-10-23 04:20:41)

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

rammunition wrote:

lowing wrote:

Then you will forgive me if continue I hate that religion and culture and want to keep it out of western society until they adopt western values. Or stay the fuck in the ME.

Here's the hypocrisy.

You hate it when "they" bring their culture over here, but want them to adopt "your" culture? Why should they adopt "your" culture when you won't adopt "theirs"?

So true rummy...  I just ran over my sister with my car for listening to a western music station... Is this the culture you are talking about?
   We in the US.... prefer the peaceful muslims that come here that enjoy living in the US and although they are proud of where they came from...    They leave the whole running over family members with a car if they disagree with them part of the culture back home...

10 seconds prior to this happening, the "moderate" Muslim argument applied to this guy in this forum, because there are so "few" Islamic nutjobs out there.