Macbeth
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I was thinking before about all of the death and destruction all over the world earlier today. I realized that well there are just plenty of people dying or being enslaved or whatever all over the giant world. Some places Slavery is still practiced for instance.

Now every internet forum that has a debate section you'll find a huge thread, at least relative to every other thread, about Israel. Now what makes me wonder if; Why

I've always noticed that some Westerners just get a hard on for calling for the death of Israel and the land going to making a Palestinian state. Most of these said westerners are Christians and Atheist and the most interaction they have with Muslims is their one token Muslim friend.

Now this group always talks about the horrors that the Israelis commit on the Palestinians. But when you really consider it there are places in this lovely world where much worse things are happening to much more people over much sillier issues. But you won't get more than 3 pages on a debate on Darfur or Tibet and if you open a thread about Africa expect racist replies I know I make plenty of them myself.

But a thread about some Israeli soldier running a stop sign will get the usual bunch to sword rattle like a Mongol trying to get past bouncer at a whore house. The thread will spiral off into some 10 page bullshit usually.

Now consider most of these people don't have any family stake down there or are Muslims or are isolated from the situation by an ocean or several thousand miles, and there are much more horrific events happening in the world do you think most of it is just well said and written antisemitism that the person spewing said writing and words many not even be aware of?

A bit inebriated so forgive my spelling and grammar errors.
AussieReaper
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There are plenty of Jewish people who are anti-Zionist.

Have a look at some of the Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewsish groups, for example.
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ruisleipa
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Macbeth wrote:

do you think most of it is just well said and written antisemitism that the person spewing said writing and words many not even be aware of?
No.

Next question.
ruisleipa
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LOL still drunk? Take a friggin chill pill man.

edit: why ask a question if you don't want anyone to answer it?

Last edited by ruisleipa (2009-10-09 23:04:16)

Macbeth
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ruisleipa wrote:

LOL still drunk? Take a friggin chill pill man.

edit: why ask a question if you don't want anyone to answer it?
Answer the question with more than two lines, one of which was a single word.

Only usmarine is allowed short replies.
Dilbert_X
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I don't know anyone who is 'anti-semitic', plenty of people, including jews, who despise the Zionists and what they do.
As I've said before, 'anti-semiticism' is just a term the jews have created so persecution of them is raised to some special, different, level.
Everyone persecutes everyone else, Sunni-Shia, black-white, protestant-catholic, gay-straight. Anti-jewish extremism isn't perticularly special in some way.

The problem basically is Israel claims to be a first world democratic state, but carries out the actions of a third world racial-supremacist theocracy.
They need to pick which one they want to be and stop the BS.

Personally I think their activities and philosophies are level with the Nazis in Germany and the Boers in South Africa.

The sad thing is they were given access to a patch of land in the ME, which cost the West its credibility with the East, they could have lived peacefully with the Arabs but chose to renege on their UN commitments and be total butchers.
As far as I'm concerned they broke the deal so the deal is off.
The starting point now should be to return the land to the Palestinians and the Israelies can start over, preferably somewhere else.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-10-09 23:42:04)

Fuck Israel
Beduin
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You obviously don't know enough about the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
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BVC
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As with anti-American sentiment, anti-west, anti-capitalist etc, I think that some people spout it sometimes, just because they think it will make them sound cool.

Last edited by Pubic (2009-10-10 02:00:52)

rammunition
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oh boy, i had a feeling the "anti semitism" card would be played. Having said that jews are not semites.
Bertster7
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rammunition wrote:

oh boy, i had a feeling the "anti semitism" card would be played. Having said that jews are not semites.
Bullshit. Of course they are.

But then, so are Arabs.....
Cybargs
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rammunition wrote:

oh boy, i had a feeling the "anti semitism" card would be played. Having said that jews are not semites.
Native Israelites are. Just not Ashkenazi Jews.
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Beduin
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Bertster7 wrote:

rammunition wrote:

oh boy, i had a feeling the "anti semitism" card would be played. Having said that jews are not semites.
Bullshit. Of course they are.

But then, so are Arabs.....
We are like...Cousins
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rammunition
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Cybargs wrote:

rammunition wrote:

oh boy, i had a feeling the "anti semitism" card would be played. Having said that jews are not semites.
Native Israelites are. Just not Ashkenazi Jews.
which makes about 80-90% of jews not semites
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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Cybargs wrote:

rammunition wrote:

oh boy, i had a feeling the "anti semitism" card would be played. Having said that jews are not semites.
Native Israelites are. Just not Ashkenazi Jews.
Anyone of Hebrew descent is really. There are very few native Israelites. They are almost exclusively imigrants from the early 20th century.

What makes me dislike the Israelis is the way that they turned up in Palestine and started causing trouble and to this day have been acting in a reprehensible manner.
Flecco
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Not liking Israel's tactics =/= not liking Jewish culture as a whole.

I'd actually really like to meet Pissydon tbh, and yes I mean that in a totally stalkerish way.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
ghettoperson
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Of course there are people who hate Israel because they're anti-semetic, but the majority of us have no problem with Jews or Israeli's, just the Israeli governments policies on Palastine.

And this coming from the guy whose ever topic seems to try less and less to cover his disgust of any non-whites.
Dilbert_X
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Macbeth wrote:

do you think most of it is just well said and written antisemitism that the person spewing said writing and words many not even be aware of?
Maybe you should think about the mechanisms which would have to be in place to support what you're saying.
People would have to be born or brainwashed into 'anti-semiticism' and not even understand thats what they are writing?

People on one side of the world have to blindly hate a group on the other side of the world with whom they have zero interaction with just because those people have some odd religion which has no impact at all on their own life?
Fuck Israel
rammunition
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ghettoperson wrote:

Of course there are people who hate Israel because they're anti-semetic
how can you be "anti-Semitic" when the majority of jews are not semitic? Its a myth FFS.
Mekstizzle
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Even Askenazi Euro Jews still have, for the most part, Semitic/Jewish blood in them. Genetics usually proves that. Just that wherever they fucked off to from ancient Israel, into Europe, the Middle East/Iran etc.. there was also alot of heavy mixture with the local population. But for the most part, they could probably trace their roots to Semitic/Israelite tribe thingamajigs. Gotta give respect to these guys managing to live through all of this and still keep their traditions despite all the hardship.

Judaism isn't exactly a religion that goes out to convert people infact it's usually the very opposite. Hence why it started off with a group of people and Jews can be referred to as a race.

So saying that, you can call any Jew a semite as much as Arabs are.

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Anyway the reason Israel topics are usually given so much attention is because it affects people much more than African conflicts and such. There's so much history and involvement in that conflict. It's not "Anti-Semitic" if someone criticises Israel. That word just devalues every time it's used these days. It means nothing. To me at least it means fuck all. Who gives a shit.
CameronPoe
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Macbeth wrote:

Now consider most of these people don't have any family stake down there or are Muslims or are isolated from the situation by an ocean or several thousand miles, and there are much more horrific events happening in the world do you think most of it is just well said and written antisemitism that the person spewing said writing and words many not even be aware of?
No. The reason that it generates such debate is because it is the prime and most perfect example of western double standards, hypocrisy and turning a blind eye. Any other nation like Israel gets their asses sanctioned. But no, not Israel. Another reason for so much debate is because it is in such a pivotal region holy to three different religions and as a consequence generates feelings across the globe.

I post plenty of condemnatory stuff about Israel but I have visited the wailing wall, been blessed by a Rabbi, climbed Masada and visited Dachau concentration camp (and will be visiting Auschwitz in early December). I'm not an anti-semite. There will always be some level of anti-semitists jumping on the bandwagon but by and large criticism of Israel is fair, legitimate and necessary.

And just to liven things up here are a few of my snaps...

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Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-10-10 09:31:14)

rammunition
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read the book "The Invention of the Jewish People" by professor Shlomo Sand, a Tel aviv university historian. He argues that most jews are european or african, and that they never originated from israel
Jay
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rammunition wrote:

read the book "The Invention of the Jewish People" by professor Shlomo Sand, a Tel aviv university historian. He argues that most jews are european or african, and that they never originated from israel
You really need a banning.
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rammunition
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JohnG@lt wrote:

rammunition wrote:

read the book "The Invention of the Jewish People" by professor Shlomo Sand, a Tel aviv university historian. He argues that most jews are european or african, and that they never originated from israel
You really need a banning.
Shit I forgot, I'm an "anti-semite"
Mekstizzle
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It's hard to see how you would get a Jew without actually tracing their ancestry to the Middle East. I'm no expert on Judaism, but they don't exactly go out to convert people to their religion. It's been a sort of exclusive club, saying that when they fucked off majority to Europe and the rest of the Middle East they did mix with alot of the population. And you probably do have Jews with no ancestry going back to the original Jews. But I'd say looking at how Judaism works you're more likely to have people with ancestry than without.

Meh, who cares. It's not like the Palestinians are any more native than the Jews. That whole area has always been controlled by different people of different ethnic groups and religions.
rammunition
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JohnG@lt wrote:

rammunition wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


You really need a banning.
Shit I forgot, I'm an "anti-semite"
No, you're just a complete idiot on every topic. Has your IQ reached 85 yet?
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