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Poll

Fellow Europeans, how should Ireland vote on the Lisbon Treaty?

Yes21%21% - 10
No42%42% - 20
I'm not European36%36% - 17
Total: 47
2009-09-30 10:31:18
Dr.PhiL
Danmark
+30|6957|Up North
Well here in Denmark we dont use the euro, the stores though shall take it if you go in and want to buy something, but with that being said they always whine if you try to pay in euros.

For the UK I guess they have same system, even though they still have their Sterling.

They want us to vote now for 2nd time if we want the euro, hopefully a no IMO.
2009-09-30 10:38:31
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

Dr.PhiL wrote:

Well here in Denmark we dont use the euro, the stores though shall take it if you go in and want to buy something, but with that being said they always whine if you try to pay in euros.

For the UK I guess they have same system, even though they still have their Sterling.

They want us to vote now for 2nd time if we want the euro, hopefully a no IMO.
No means no, doesn't it? You already voted no once. I don't get it.
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2009-10-01 01:18:40
JahManRed
wank
+646|6915|IRELAND

fuck no. save us ireland!
2009-10-01 01:25:20
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7003

JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


How much power would be usurped from the member nations? I mean you already have a common currency, you share military technology, you have intertwined economies. War isn't really in any nations interest anymore. While I completely understand not wanting redundant beurocracy or the destruction of national heritage you guys really aren't far off from that anyway. Please correct me if I am wrong, I am just an outsider looking in.
Think the best reference would be Federalists vs Anti-Federalists in early post Revolution America.
Fair enough. That was the comparison I was using already I'm definitely a states rights advocate. It's really surprising to me that so many European nations would be willing to throw away their sovereignty. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
To create a more perfect union
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2009-10-01 01:52:31
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7097|Nårvei

As it stands now it looks like 24 out of 27 countries have ratified the treaty, Poland and The Czech Republic are about to ratify it and Ireland goes to the polls tomorrow and can block the treaty if they vote no ...

This only shows that the Irish after getting billions in transfers from the EU have the most ungrateful population ever if they vote no
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2009-10-01 02:06:31
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7003
If it wasn't for whiskey... the Irish would rule the world...
Love is the answer
2009-10-01 02:43:40
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6936

I'd rather have whiskey than rule the world anyway.
2009-10-01 05:03:03
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6698|'Murka

Lai wrote:

anything should be done to limit EU power.
Sounds remarkably like the logic behind the US Constitution that so many Euros seem to think is outdated and no longer relevant today.

irony is ironic.

Varegg wrote:

This only shows that the Irish after getting billions in transfers from the EU have the most ungrateful population ever if they vote no.
Should've given them potatoes, tbh.
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2009-10-01 05:10:27
cl4u53w1t2
Salon-Bolschewist
+269|6760|Kakanien

Dr.PhiL wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

In simple terms it's just another step towards creating a European Republic. More power towards Brussels (capital of EU/EU Federal Government) and less power towards sovereign EU states. Not alot of people want that shit, except for, unsurprisingly, certain continental European countries that have always had... lets say, ambitions of a United Europe.

People just wanted a trading bloc and better cooperation within Europe.
How much power would be usurped from the member nations? I mean you already have a common currency, you share military technology, you have intertwined economies. War isn't really in any nations interest anymore. While I completely understand not wanting redundant beurocracy or the destruction of national heritage you guys really aren't far off from that anyway. Please correct me if I am wrong, I am just an outsider looking in.
As far as I know only 9 countries are in the euro zone (which means they use the euro)

So not even half of the member countries uses the euro.
wrong.

22 (16 of them are members of the eu)

"The euro (€) is the official currency of 16 of the 27 member states of the European Union (EU). The states, known collectively as the Eurozone, are Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain.[17] The currency is also used in a further five European countries, with and without formal agreements and is consequently used daily by some 327 million Europeans"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro

Last edited by cl4u53w1t2 (2009-10-01 05:12:05)

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2009-10-01 14:15:59
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6936

FEOS wrote:

Lai wrote:

anything should be done to limit EU power.
Sounds remarkably like the logic behind the US Constitution that so many Euros seem to think is outdated and no longer relevant today.

irony is ironic.
Which Euro's have said that?
2009-10-01 14:44:13
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6842

FEOS wrote:

Lai wrote:

anything should be done to limit EU power.
Sounds remarkably like the logic behind the US Constitution that so many Euros seem to think is outdated and no longer relevant today.

irony is ironic.
Irony is someone from the US lecturing Europeans on the centralisation of power. The main fear over here is that we become more like the US in terms of federalism and dilution of sovereignty, etc.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-10-01 14:46:02)

2009-10-01 14:53:30
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6842
Prediction: lanslide Yes. You heard it here first, I'll go down in history as the new Nostradamus.
2009-10-01 15:13:31
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7029|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
have been down touring around Galway and Connemara for the last week or so and I must say every single person I talked to is voting no, so will be interesting.  some of the posters are brilliant as well..
2009-10-01 15:17:08
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6842

IG-Calibre wrote:

have been down touring around Galway and Connemara for the last week or so and I must say every single person I talked to is voting no, so will be interesting.  some of the posters are brilliant as well..
Dublin is landslide yes. I'd say rural Ireland is different. My folks up in Donegal are voting no.
2009-10-01 15:24:08
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6842
2009-10-01 15:30:04
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7029|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
Aye.. was on the island of Árainn Mhór on Tuesday and they seemed indifferent to the whole affair tbh - think that was reflected in an actual low turn out to vote on the islands. unlike what is predicted on the mainland!

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2009-10-01 15:35:47)

2009-10-01 15:36:03
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

CameronPoe wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

have been down touring around Galway and Connemara for the last week or so and I must say every single person I talked to is voting no, so will be interesting.  some of the posters are brilliant as well..
Dublin is landslide yes. I'd say rural Ireland is different. My folks up in Donegal are voting no.
Why would Dubliners vote yes? I would think those that make their livelihood off the seat of the national government would have it in their self interest to vote no.

What are the benefits to signing the treaty?
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2009-10-01 15:47:58
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
I'd imagine the economy is the big game changer now. Especially because Ireland has relied so much on the EU for its recent economic progress.
2009-10-01 15:53:46
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6842
Basically Ireland gorged itself on cheap credit and super-inflated a property mega-bubble that will take 20 years to repair. Basically the same thing Spain and the US did. We became prohibitively expensive to do business in our economic growth rate was so ludicrous and now it's market correction time. While we brace ourselves for the long hard slog many will turn to the EU to hold their hand. They already poured €20m into Limerick post-Dell pullout to ease the pain and granted aid of €500m to our electricity sector. No ulterior motives at all...

The logic of the treaty itself is that each individual nation in Europe is puny, but as a strong coherent bloc we'll be able to trade economic punches with the likes of China, India, the US and Russia.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-10-01 15:56:22)

2009-10-03 12:45:40
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
gay


oh well better get used to it
2009-10-03 15:25:58
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6750|Tyne & Wear, England
Cameron want's a referendum, and would ask the British public to vote 'no'.
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2009-10-03 15:45:13
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
lHe'd only do it if it hasn't yet been ratified by all other EU states. Of course by the time the next election happens and he gets in power it'll have been ratified by everyone. He's just talking bullshit.

I read that these guys promised a referendum during the 2005 campaign. Don't listen to a word they say when it comes to this issue. Just gotta accept that it's gonna happen.
2009-10-04 05:37:30
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6740|The Twilight Zone
What did our Irish brothers vote?
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2009-10-04 21:58:54
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6037|شمال

.Sup wrote:

What did our Irish brothers vote?
A yes

Edit.:

Dr.PhiL wrote:

A BIG NO from Denmark here

We had alot of issues with this because of the EU court (or wtf its called) they said our immigration laws are too strict, and we can not send people home. (IMO our immigration laws should be stricter)

But thank God our good goverment said screw EU, and went on.

I mean why the flying fk should some French guy sitting in Brussels, dictate us on what to do and not to do?
GTFO

Last edited by Beduin (2009-10-04 22:00:01)

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2009-10-05 04:31:00
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England

Beduin wrote:

.Sup wrote:

What did our Irish brothers vote?

Dr.PhiL wrote:

A BIG NO from Denmark here

We had alot of issues with this because of the EU court (or wtf its called) they said our immigration laws are too strict, and we can not send people home. (IMO our immigration laws should be stricter)

But thank God our good goverment said screw EU, and went on.

I mean why the flying fk should some French guy sitting in Brussels, dictate us on what to do and not to do?
GTFO
Why GTFO?

 

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