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Sounds like you are having some of the same probelms we are having.  Good luck, have fun with that.

I have a few friends who've jumped across the ditch, all skilled workers and they've never had any issues.  AFAIK, Aussie rules for Kiwis making the move are now the same as anywhere else.

Where are you hearing that shit BN?

Our water levels are low but it's not zomg we're running out. Australia is often in periods of drought. Hello, it's Australia... And the Australian govt. has already invested heavily into the desalination plants, housing is less affordable now due to the GFC, (something you may not have taken into account). And our unemployment is 5.8%

Care to guess the unemployment rate of the US right now? It's at 9.5%

So if you want to tell me we're running out of jobs, that's fine. But try to have a look at how well our employment situation currently is, in the middle of a global financial crisis Australia is one of the best faring nations at the moment and has been throughout.

Changing the immigration policy isn't going to change any of those factors. You will however lose skilled and unskilled labour, from immigrants coming into the country.

As for your Permanent Residency gripe, it isn't handed out like tic-tacs. Most workers come here on a temporary visa, and either find permanent full time employment or at the very least a stable income and permanent residence or the visa expires and they are deported.

And of course PR's should have access to Medicare. As a PR they pay plenty of taxes. Unless you'd think it would be a great money making scheme to force PR onto the private health system. Gee, I wonder what will happen if private health insurance companies know they can force new Australian citizens to pay their service and only their service... premiums would go up.

Our model of health care is to have a competitive system of private and public health, and our public health is larger and more affordable because all tax payers put in towards Medicare. There is no great financial drain on the economy because having a healthy population increases the productivity and GDP. If you want to force people onto private health care, and new PR I might add, who often are not earning above middle incomes, what do you think is going to happen? Because you'll be forcing them onto health care plans they can't afford.

Last edited by AussieReaper (2009-07-23 18:48:32)

From what i've heard from friends and other people, pr is a bitch to get. It's a tangle of red tape :S

Cheez wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

i thought you guys had a pretty strict immigration policy?

Sure do.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3445/330 … 1d9f67.jpg

The problem is they can't speak English.

The vast majority can.

There's this skills shortage, y'know...

thraSK wrote:

From what i've heard from friends and other people, pr is a bitch to get. It's a tangle of red tape :S

Thats what I've heard too.

Immigration was encouraged under the previous govt because we had an ageing population and we lacked skilled workers to supply the mining boom. The QLD state govt is already cutting back on its skilled migrant intake. Other states will possibly follow.
Do you want us to say , "thanks for your hard work in the good times, If you could kindly fuck off now that would be great"?
As for no access to Medicare, as Aus Reaper said, they pay taxes, why discriminate?

BN wrote:

And yes, we are doing ok. But we should be doing a hell of a lot better.

I dont know how you figure this. Sure its nice to do better, but we are one of the top performing countries right now, unemployment is very low, and we havent even entered into a technical recession yet, so realistically things are very good.

BN wrote:

We also need to start cutting back "Family Allowance" AKA middle class welfare. (for all Australian's)

I do agree with this on many levels though. We are pretty much giving the govt tax, then having them give it straight back to us. It was a vote buying strategy of Little Johnny howard, but it would be a brave labor govt that gets rid of it.
The Henry reveiw may advise it should be changed though.

Cheez wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

i thought you guys had a pretty strict immigration policy?

Sure do.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3445/330 … 1d9f67.jpg

The problem is they can't speak English.

Don't you have some sort of points system though, and only allow people with a skillset applicable to current job shortages?

Also i remember hearing about how your government wouldn't let a few ships with immigrants dock, you just told them to fuck off.

Fr Ted wrote:

Also i remember hearing about how your government wouldn't let a few ships with immigrants dock, you just told them to fuck off.

I think the story was:
A boatload of illegal immigrants was basically sinking off our waters. They were rescued by a container ship. International law states that a country must accept people in distress, which would include those on the container ship. The previous govt wanted to make political points at a time when people were scared of terrorism etc, and refused to take the people from the ship.

This worked for a while but people started to see through it as a vote grab.

Last edited by Burwhale (2009-07-24 07:19:56)

As for immigration policy, seems about right, otherwise we would be flooded.

Turquoise wrote:

Why not just limit your immigration to highly skilled, highly educated, and/or wealthy people?  Proficiency in English would also help.

What about the unskilled, uneducated, and poor people in your country already?

Turquoise wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Why not just limit your immigration to highly skilled, highly educated, and/or wealthy people?  Proficiency in English would also help.

What about the unskilled, uneducated, and poor people in your country already?

We have a surplus of those, as does Australia.  They are the ones who typically do the work no one else wants to.

The problem is that America and Australia still import too many of these people, and if you go too far with that, you get more crime and disease.  We've definitely experienced that here, but I don't know as much with Australia.

I don't agree they do jobs people don't want to.  I used to cut lawns and such.  Its very hard to not hire people who are willing to do that same job for little pay.