The Audio Debate thread; for .Sup and Freezer

2009-06-08 15:19:25

#101

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6755|The Twilight Zone

Uzique wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:

Inflation doesn't work that way. And what is this 100 and 170€ you're talking about?
anyway it was a great unit with great reviews, worth every penny like all Technics components I had. Ever listened to any? Oh wait you don't have to actually listen to any to be a smart ass right?
Wtf are you talking about, listening to gear and music? The whole purpose of music and music equipment is so that hopelessly inept social retards like Freezer can try and look "cool" and can fit in, right? Freezer is like the quiet, monobrowed one at school that probably latches on to all the actually cool kids that set the trends with their music tastes, by being the 'tech guy' music fan that appreciates the graphs and frequencies more than the actual sounds. Well, fuck that. I love music and this penis-lightsabre duel that you two fucktards ALWAYS have just pisses me off.

Sup, you listen to bland monotonous house/trance, who gives a fuck? You could listen to your music through a Gameboy and it would sound just as boring and pointless. Freezer, you have 4 FLAC albums and pictorial evidence has proven that at least one of those are Guns'n'Roses. That's a one in four 'GnR : music taste' ratio. If that gets any worse then euthanasia will seriously be the only solution.

Actually I listen to Jazz 24/4

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p2664819

What I wanted to say it was a great unit and it produced great sound

https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png

2009-06-08 15:19:34

#102

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6772

FFLink13 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Fucksake you two, fuck off!

Freezer, I listen to Venetian Snares with my equalizer purposefully set wrong through mobile-phone speakers.

And I am way fucking better with music than you are.

Go.
Here's an idea:

Stop reading here.

Just leave them the fuck be. If they wanna debate, argue and fight over this shit, let them.

Stop posting your opinions here (preferably other places, too), as they mean nothing.

Your posts mean nothing; your forum opinion means nothing; your life means nothing.

The sad thing is that you constantly harp on at me with annoying little opinions yourself. Who the fuck are you?

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2009-06-08 15:30:10

#103

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6716|Finland

Fuck me.

600€ EQ! fking EQ!!!!

:0

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2009-06-08 15:33:09

#104

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6755|The Twilight Zone

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Fuck me.

600€ EQ! fking EQ!!!!

:0

didn't you just buy a 600€ GFX card?

2009-06-08 15:47:23

#105

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6499|Winland

Uzique wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Inflation doesn't work that way. And what is this 100 and 170€ you're talking about?
anyway it was a great unit with great reviews, worth every penny like all Technics components I had. Ever listened to any? Oh wait you don't have to actually listen to any to be a smart ass right?
MY TASTE IN MUSIC IS RIGHT
YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC IS WRONG
FUCK YOU

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Fuck me.

600€ EQ! fking EQ!!!!

:0

600€ isn't all that much. Equalizers are precision instruments.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-06-08 15:49:05)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-06-08 15:52:17

#106

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6716|Finland

.Sup wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Fuck me.

600€ EQ! fking EQ!!!!

:0
didn't you just buy a 600€ GFX card?

I can use software EQ which is good enough for me but can't get free high-end gfx that does decent job, can I?

Besides gfx card does a lot more than just EQ that finetunes sound.

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2009-06-08 15:54:40

#107

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6755|The Twilight Zone

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
.Sup wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Fuck me.

600€ EQ! fking EQ!!!!

:0
didn't you just buy a 600€ GFX card?
I can use software EQ which is good enough for me but can't get free high-end gfx that does decent job, can I?

Besides gfx card does a lot more than just EQ that finetunes sound.

My point is I wanted it and was enjoying it just like you are prolly enjoying your card now. If you don't understand, why comment? GFX card itself does not give video like an Equalizer doesn't give sound without other components so whats your point?

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Uzique wrote:
.Sup wrote:
anyway it was a great unit with great reviews, worth every penny like all Technics components I had. Ever listened to any? Oh wait you don't have to actually listen to any to be a smart ass right?
MY TASTE IN MUSIC IS RIGHT
YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC IS WRONG
FUCK YOU
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Fuck me.

600€ EQ! fking EQ!!!!

:0
600€ isn't all that much. Equalizers are precision instruments.

at least i don't go "buy" my stuff at scrapyard

Last edited by .Sup (2009-06-08 15:57:13)

2009-06-08 15:56:25

#108

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6716|Finland

.Sup wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
.Sup wrote:

didn't you just buy a 600€ GFX card?
I can use software EQ which is good enough for me but can't get free high-end gfx that does decent job, can I?

Besides gfx card does a lot more than just EQ that finetunes sound.
My point is I wanted it and was enjoying it just like you are prolly enjoying your card now. If you don't understand, why comment?

So now nobody is allowed to comment on your and Freezer's stuff?

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2009-06-08 15:58:58

#109

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6755|The Twilight Zone

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
.Sup wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I can use software EQ which is good enough for me but can't get free high-end gfx that does decent job, can I?

Besides gfx card does a lot more than just EQ that finetunes sound.
My point is I wanted it and was enjoying it just like you are prolly enjoying your card now. If you don't understand, why comment?
So now nobody is allowed to comment on your and Freezer's stuff?

I didn't say that but you obviously don't have a clue about hifi. I don't comment Picassos paintings cos I don't know what he was on about when he was painting.

2009-06-08 16:03:52

#110

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6716|Finland

.Sup wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
.Sup wrote:

My point is I wanted it and was enjoying it just like you are prolly enjoying your card now. If you don't understand, why comment?
So now nobody is allowed to comment on your and Freezer's stuff?
you obviously don't have a clue about hifi.

And proud of that.

Not having golden ears apparently saves me shitload of €€€

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2009-06-08 16:10:42

#111

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6755|The Twilight Zone

i really want to watch a movie now (Identity) but cannot take my headphones off and pause music

2009-06-08 16:29:09

#112

aimless: Member; +166|6427|Texas

Sup and Freezer, do you guys collect music?

2009-06-08 16:49:34

#113

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6716|Finland

More important:

Do you guys go often to live concerts?

You use massive amounts of time and effort to produce as accurate sound at your home setups as you can get. So do ever go listen to the sound you are so hard artificially trying to create all the time? (would be pretty silly if u were wanting to create something you don't even go listen to irl, right?)

And freezer, do you play an instrument, like piano? Thats accurate sounds IRL

Or is the day when you get the graph 100% flat and hear the sine wave in its exact frequenzy from your speakers the day of your dreams?

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2009-06-08 17:05:51

#114

aimless: Member; +166|6427|Texas

True, it looks like you guys seem to prefer the sound of music, rather than the artistic content.

2009-06-08 17:37:59

#115

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6772

^ Two above messages.

ARE EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

It's not about my music taste surpassing yours, Freezer. I just enjoy music more than you, period. Throw the maths and physics of it all at me all you want, sucker.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2009-06-08 17:39:22

#116

Gooners: Wiki Contributor; +2,700|6934

Seriously just close this thread.

2009-06-08 18:33:33

#117

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6499|Winland

aimless wrote:
True, it looks like you guys seem to prefer the sound of music, rather than the artistic content.

I do. That's what I've been saying all along.

.Sup wrote:
at least i don't go "buy" my stuff at scrapyard

Sucks for you. My power amp was $700 in 1980. That translates to roughly $2000 in today's money. I got it for free and 40€ in parts.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-06-08 18:37:23)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-06-08 18:39:12

#118

Gooners: Wiki Contributor; +2,700|6934

Freezer7Pro wrote:
aimless wrote:
True, it looks like you guys seem to prefer the sound of music, rather than the artistic content.
I do. That's what I've been saying all along.
.Sup wrote:
at least i don't go "buy" my stuff at scrapyard
Sucks for you. My power amp was $700 in 1980. That translates to roughly $2000 in today's money. I got it for free and 40€ in parts.

In 1980.

Nearly 30 years ago.

2009-06-08 18:45:07

#119

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6499|Winland

Gooners wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
aimless wrote:
True, it looks like you guys seem to prefer the sound of music, rather than the artistic content.
I do. That's what I've been saying all along.
.Sup wrote:
at least i don't go "buy" my stuff at scrapyard
Sucks for you. My power amp was $700 in 1980. That translates to roughly $2000 in today's money. I got it for free and 40€ in parts.
In 1980.

Nearly 30 years ago.

Spec-wise, it's superior to anything that $2000 will buy you today. It ain't a PC, yeknow.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-06-08 18:45:39)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-06-08 18:48:12

#120

Gooners: Wiki Contributor; +2,700|6934

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Gooners wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
aimless wrote:
True, it looks like you guys seem to prefer the sound of music, rather than the artistic content.
I do. That's what I've been saying all along.

Sucks for you. My power amp was $700 in 1980. That translates to roughly $2000 in today's money. I got it for free and 40€ in parts.
In 1980.

Nearly 30 years ago.
Spec-wise, it's superior to anything that $2000 will buy you today. It ain't a PC, yeknow.

You're telling me, for $2000 you wouldn't get something better?

2009-06-08 18:51:53

#121

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6499|Winland

Gooners wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Gooners wrote:

In 1980.

Nearly 30 years ago.
Spec-wise, it's superior to anything that $2000 will buy you today. It ain't a PC, yeknow.
You're telling me, for $2000 you wouldn't get something better?

When dealing stereo performance, nope.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-06-08 19:01:42

#122

TSI: Cholera in the time of love; +247|6283|Toronto

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Gooners wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Spec-wise, it's superior to anything that $2000 will buy you today. It ain't a PC, yeknow.
You're telling me, for $2000 you wouldn't get something better?
When dealing stereo performance, nope.

Good audio hardware hardly ages. Truly, I have a 1989 Harman/Kardon setup which beats anything I've seen under 6000 euros. And believe me, that thing goes. It was expensive, but worth twice the amount.

However, I'd like to remind everyone involved of one thing: your amp/EQ/phenomenal setup is worthless if you have shit speakers. Freezer, from what I've seen you are great at tinkering with capacitors and stuff, but what speakers do you have? And .Sup, me mate, do you even use speakers at all?

Some of you may have seen my home theatre setup. There are 6 speakers integrated in the walls. There's one sub on the isolated mount. The room's irregular as shit, but the sound is balanced, as I like it. It's not a perfect sine wave. It's not ever used for playing FLACs.

It's been oriented and EQd by me, for me. I don't intend to replicate the studio sound. Why? Because I'm not in a studio. I'm at home, relaxing to the beat of whatever I can find. If I wanted to find the perfect sound, I'd spend my life chasing it.

It doesn't exist.

I'm enjoying the music rather than whining about the fact that I'm 0.2 Hz off. That, to me, is a difference which makes the concept of "home audio" worth something--it's far from shit, but it's not perfect. It's as I like it, for my taste, rather than some numbers on the back of a box.

/rant.

Last edited by TSI (2009-06-08 19:02:43)

I like pie.

2009-06-08 19:22:30

#123

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6499|Winland

TSI wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Gooners wrote:
You're telling me, for $2000 you wouldn't get something better?
When dealing stereo performance, nope.
Good audio hardware hardly ages. Truly, I have a 1989 Harman/Kardon setup which beats anything I've seen under 6000 euros. And believe me, that thing goes. It was expensive, but worth twice the amount.

However, I'd like to remind everyone involved of one thing: your amp/EQ/phenomenal setup is worthless if you have shit speakers. Freezer, from what I've seen you are great at tinkering with capacitors and stuff, but what speakers do you have? And .Sup, me mate, do you even use speakers at all?

A pair of top-end Saloras (Local hi-fi maker in the 70's/80's):

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/Freezer7Pro/HGTALARE.jpg

ITT/Lorenz 10" top-mounted sub, 4" Peerless mid and 1" ITT/Lorenz dome. 50L closed boxes, 50W. They require some equalization for top performance, and they're bloody sensitive to placement, but if you get those right, they're quite good. Also have a pair of Sony reference monitors on my desk.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-06-08 19:24:25)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-06-08 19:47:48

#124

Gooners: Wiki Contributor; +2,700|6934

Freezer I would get your ears insured. If anything possibly happened to them you'd be out of a hobby.

2009-06-08 19:51:17

#125

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6499|Winland

Gooners wrote:
Freezer I would get your ears insured. If anything possibly happened to them you'd be out of a hobby.

If anything happens to them, I fix it. That's one of the main reasons I like this stuff. If the units wouldn't have had some issues, I wouldn't have gotten my stuff for so cheap/free.

I don't fear anything getting stolen either, as the last break-in recorded on this island was in the early 90's.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

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