BF2S Forums The Audio Debate thread; for .Sup and Freezer

Uzique wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

I can't use an EQ

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So I figured I should use a somewhat-compensating EQ even in lack of real reference. The lower curve is that of my stereo speakers.

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All that geekery to listen to Guns and fucking Roses?

I hope that terrible shit was in FLAC.

That picture alone is evidence that the dick swinging between you and .Sup can go on for-fucking-ever... but neither of you will ever actually have a REAL fucking clue about sound and music.

don't care what you or anyone else thinks- I'm enjoying my music

Freezer7Pro wrote:

I just read a quite good statement:

Some listen to gear, just to hear the music.
Some listen to music, just to hear the gear.

I belong to the latter group.

I listen to music to hear music

Freezer7Pro wrote:

I just read a quite good statement:

Some listen to gear, just to hear the music.
Some listen to music, just to hear the gear.

I belong to the latter group.

Well that's a silly statement.

Jenspm wrote:

people who fiddle with the EQ to bring the music to the sound they personally like best.

Thats exactly what I do. And exactly why EQ is there.

Jenspm wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

I can't use an EQ, as I don't have a reference microphone at the moment.

I don't get this.


I mean, sure, a reference mic would make it easier, but isn't tweaking your EQ supposed to be a personal prefference thing? You DO tweak your EQ settings to improve your personal enjoyment, right?

It just seems to me like all this reference mic EQ stuff is for people who like to brag about how their music is on the exact decibel/wavelength/whatever as to what's "correct", rather than for people who fiddle with the EQ to bring the music to the sound they personally like best.

An equalizer is there to equalize; to make the curvy and crappy roller-coaster of a frequency curve that speakers and rooms have to one that's equal over all frequencies. That's why it's called an equalizer.

Aries_37 wrote:

I bet after all this shit it turns out freezer is like tone deaf to half the sound spectrum

18-24000Hz, bitch.

And what I meant by posting the statement is that I enjoy tinkering with the gear much, much more than I enjoy the actual music. Of course I have preferences in music and enjoy some (lots) more than other, but it's not as important to me as having it reproduced as accurately as possible. I enjoy the tick of the speaker relay in my amplifier much more than I enjoy the notification of a new track that has finished downloading.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-06-08 10:28:22)

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

An equalizer is there to equalize; to make the curvy and crappy roller-coaster of a frequency curve that speakers and rooms have to one that's equal over all frequencies. That's why it's called an equalizer.

So rather than making music sound what pleases me most, I should try to make a graph as flat as possible.

That's what an equalizer is intended for. If you use it for that is up to you.

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

So rather than making music sound what pleases me most, I should try to make a graph as flat as possible.

That's what an equalizer is intended for. If you use it for that is up to you.

I had a Technics equalizer (hifi- component) and it was specifically designed to enhance if you want or make the sound more pleasing to your ears. There were preset settings or you could manually adjust tonality. If you listened to Electronica you just pressed the preset for electronic music such as dance, trance, techno,...

That doesn't really sound like a serious unit. I'd never use pre-sets for anything, as every system and room is unique.

And as I said, an equalizer is intended to equalize the sound, hence the name, but there is nothing forcing you to do so.

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

I had a Technics equalizer (hifi- component) and it was specifically designed to enhance if you want or make the sound more pleasing to your ears. There were preset settings or you could manually adjust tonality. If you listened to Electronica you just pressed the preset for electronic music such as dance, trance, techno,...

That doesn't really sound like a serious unit. I'd never use pre-sets for anything, as every system and room is unique.

And as I said, an equalizer is intended to equalize the sound, hence the name, but there is nothing forcing you to do so.

It was only 600€ (if I calculate to today's currency). technics is(was) a shite company anyways, especially for audio rite?

Technics had some really great stuff and some really shit stuff. I don't associate factory presets with the former. It'd sure be easier to make my mind up if I knew the model number.

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

It was only 600€ (if I calculate to today's currency). technics is(was) a shite company anyways, especially for audio rite?

Technics had some really great stuff and some really shit stuff. I don't associate factory presets with the former. It'd sure be easier to make my mind up if I knew the model number.

I sold it 5 years ago. Its a 12 year old unit. The entry level cost 100€ (at the time that was more like 170€). It was a phenomenal unit, great reviews.

Wow, that sure tells me a lot about it.

Besides, 100€ in 1992 (~150 today) is not a lot for an EQ.

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

I sold it 5 years ago. Its a 12 year old unit. The entry level cost 100€ (at the time that was more like 170€). It was a phenomenal unit, great reviews.

Wow, that sure tells me a lot about it.

Besides, 100€ in 1992 (~150 today) is not a lot for an EQ.

reread everything 600€ which was around 1k at the time.

Inflation doesn't work that way. And what is this 100 and 170€ you're talking about?

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Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Wow, that sure tells me a lot about it.

Besides, 100€ in 1992 (~150 today) is not a lot for an EQ.

reread everything 600€ which was around 1k at the time.

Inflation doesn't work that way. And what is this 100 and 170€ you're talking about?

anyway it was a great unit with great reviews, worth every penny like all Technics components I had. Ever listened to any? Oh wait you don't have to actually listen to any to be a smart ass right?

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

reread everything 600€ which was around 1k at the time.

Inflation doesn't work that way. And what is this 100 and 170€ you're talking about?

anyway it was a great unit with great reviews, worth every penny like all Technics components I had. Ever listened to any? Oh wait you don't have to actually listen to any to be a smart ass right?

Wtf are you talking about, listening to gear and music? The whole purpose of music and music equipment is so that hopelessly inept social retards like Freezer can try and look "cool" and can fit in, right? Freezer is like the quiet, monobrowed one at school that probably latches on to all the actually cool kids that set the trends with their music tastes, by being the 'tech guy' music fan that appreciates the graphs and frequencies more than the actual sounds. Well, fuck that. I love music and this penis-lightsabre duel that you two fucktards ALWAYS have just pisses me off.

Sup, you listen to bland monotonous house/trance, who gives a fuck? You could listen to your music through a Gameboy and it would sound just as boring and pointless. Freezer, you have 4 FLAC albums and pictorial evidence has proven that at least one of those are Guns'n'Roses. That's a one in four 'GnR : music taste' ratio. If that gets any worse then euthanasia will seriously be the only solution.

Last edited by Uzique (2009-06-08 15:12:06)

FFLink13 wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Fucksake you two, fuck off!

Freezer, I listen to Venetian Snares with my equalizer purposefully set wrong through mobile-phone speakers.

And I am way fucking better with music than you are.

Go.

Here's an idea:

Stop reading here.

Just leave them the fuck be. If they wanna debate, argue and fight over this shit, let them.

Stop posting your opinions here (preferably other places, too), as they mean nothing.

nono, this is fun.