you sound like a commie dudecpt.fass1 wrote:
It's not called spreading the wealth, it's called our system is fucked and the stealing from my mouth to pay someone else over budgeting is ridicules.. if you can't finish out the budget, you have to cut income.Man With No Name wrote:
It seems you guys are really calling for the spreading of wealth!
Sorry the unions don't protect regular people they can't protect public servants.. The government officials are on the same pyramid scam as the banks, only difference is the banks actually lost there own money.
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He makes a good point though.... In a time of deficits, something has to give.Man With No Name wrote:
you sound like a commie dudecpt.fass1 wrote:
It's not called spreading the wealth, it's called our system is fucked and the stealing from my mouth to pay someone else over budgeting is ridicules.. if you can't finish out the budget, you have to cut income.Man With No Name wrote:
It seems you guys are really calling for the spreading of wealth!
Sorry the unions don't protect regular people they can't protect public servants.. The government officials are on the same pyramid scam as the banks, only difference is the banks actually lost there own money.
Social Security will face this dilemma very soon....
It's not called spreading the wealth, it's called our system is fucked and the stealing from my mouth to pay someone else over budgeting is ridicules.. if you can't finish out the budget, you have to cut income.Man With No Name wrote:
It seems you guys are really calling for the spreading of wealth!
Sorry the unions don't protect regular people they can't protect public servants.. The government officials are on the same pyramid scam as the banks, only difference is the banks actually lost there own money.
...which is inspired by the greed of lobbyists paid by the private sector....cpt.fass1 wrote:
Hey lets all get government jobs.. So the government can take care of us and deem what job is worth what..Man With No Name wrote:
you sound like a commie dudecpt.fass1 wrote:
It's not called spreading the wealth, it's called our system is fucked and the stealing from my mouth to pay someone else over budgeting is ridicules.. if you can't finish out the budget, you have to cut income.
Sorry the unions don't protect regular people they can't protect public servants.. The government officials are on the same pyramid scam as the banks, only difference is the banks actually lost there own money.
Wait a min what is that called?
When the private sector fails, whose left to pay for the government positions.. Right now the private sector is failing because of the greed of the government.
They are connected, you know....
Yeah and why do you think the banks are getting bailed out?Turquoise wrote:
...which is inspired by the greed of lobbyists paid by the private sector....cpt.fass1 wrote:
Hey lets all get government jobs.. So the government can take care of us and deem what job is worth what..Man With No Name wrote:
you sound like a commie dude
Wait a min what is that called?
When the private sector fails, whose left to pay for the government positions.. Right now the private sector is failing because of the greed of the government.
They are connected, you know....
2 reasons...cpt.fass1 wrote:
Yeah and why do you think the banks are getting bailed out?Turquoise wrote:
...which is inspired by the greed of lobbyists paid by the private sector....cpt.fass1 wrote:
Hey lets all get government jobs.. So the government can take care of us and deem what job is worth what..
Wait a min what is that called?
When the private sector fails, whose left to pay for the government positions.. Right now the private sector is failing because of the greed of the government.
They are connected, you know....
Lobbyists
and retirement funds of millions of people invested in said banks...
They got the public where they wanted them when everyone put their trust in the market. Now, they're paying for it.
Granted, I'm not suggesting total socialization is the answer either, but I wouldn't mind replacing the Fed Reserve with a public central bank run by the government.
It's a crazy fucked up mess we're in, and it's the middle to lower class that's really taking a beating.. It's such a damn shame.
Agreed... but that's the way of the world. In general, the rich get what they want. This is why they should be taxed more. It seems like a small consolation for the amount of power they wield.cpt.fass1 wrote:
It's a crazy fucked up mess we're in, and it's the middle to lower class that's really taking a beating.. It's such a damn shame.
Granted, the French Revolution proved that the rich aren't always safe....
Workers of the world unite!
Communism has a lot in common with what happens when a capitalism is allowed to run long enough without proper regulation.Man With No Name wrote:
Workers of the world unite!
The only difference is that Communism is where the state controls everything, while pure capitalism eventually becomes a situation where corporations control everything.
Either way, the power is concentrated into the hands of the few.
im at the greyhound bus terminal in downtown right now waiting in the hot sun
I thought the main terminal was in Compton? Does it feel like the city is about to go bankrupt?Man With No Name wrote:
im at the greyhound bus terminal in downtown right now waiting in the hot sun
i was at the one off of 7th and alameda
not enough prostitutes and junkies, to be honest. im talking about the heart of skid row/warehouse district
not enough prostitutes and junkies, to be honest. im talking about the heart of skid row/warehouse district
And that matters because???Man With No Name wrote:
im at the greyhound bus terminal in downtown right now waiting in the hot sun
"Los Angeles Councilman Bernard Parks, City Hall's budget committee chief who is warning that soaring payroll and pension costs threaten the city's financial stability, receives $22,000 a month in city retirement benefits, in addition to his $178,789 a year salary, records and interviews show."
He is saying that payroll and pensions are out of control... but i'm guessing he isn't giving any of his back...?
I don't have a problem with pensions because that is between the employee and the employer... but 22k seems a little much for a guy who is complaining against pension costs... and also makes 180k a year in salary... To fix this they need to have more realistic pension benefits... or you get a bankrupt state eventually...
Not sure how to determine what a persons pension should be... performance based salaries and pensions might work...
That way if the person is not getting it done... they are fired... and if they are performing above avg... pay them a good salary...
Unions would never go for that though obviously...
He is saying that payroll and pensions are out of control... but i'm guessing he isn't giving any of his back...?
I don't have a problem with pensions because that is between the employee and the employer... but 22k seems a little much for a guy who is complaining against pension costs... and also makes 180k a year in salary... To fix this they need to have more realistic pension benefits... or you get a bankrupt state eventually...
Not sure how to determine what a persons pension should be... performance based salaries and pensions might work...
That way if the person is not getting it done... they are fired... and if they are performing above avg... pay them a good salary...
Unions would never go for that though obviously...
Love is the answer
That's a different situation. He's drawing city retirement while still working for the city. He's either retired or he isn't.Man With No Name wrote:
Bernard Parks was the former Los Angeles police chief.FEOS wrote:
@ salary: That's ridiculous. If he's drawing retirement AND a regular salary from the same organization...someone's getting snowed.
He did what many soldiers I know have done. Retire from the service and get cushy government jobs.
You plan on calling it a day in your late 30's?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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I dont see it as being much different from retiring from the military and then getting your GS rating as a federal employee.FEOS wrote:
That's a different situation. He's drawing city retirement while still working for the city. He's either retired or he isn't.Man With No Name wrote:
Bernard Parks was the former Los Angeles police chief.FEOS wrote:
@ salary: That's ridiculous. If he's drawing retirement AND a regular salary from the same organization...someone's getting snowed.
He did what many soldiers I know have done. Retire from the service and get cushy government jobs.
You plan on calling it a day in your late 30's?
you guys need to escape the internet
So thick with irony it reminds me of this.Man With No Name wrote:
you guys need to escape the internet
Common sense. Thats a good one.
They are trying to cut cops and hiring for police/fire to save money.
Crime rate goes up, people die, economy worsens.
They are trying to cut cops and hiring for police/fire to save money.
Crime rate goes up, people die, economy worsens.
Population control?... j/kstryyker wrote:
Common sense. Thats a good one.
They are trying to cut cops and hiring for police/fire to save money.
Crime rate goes up, people die, economy worsens.
It would be more like retiring as a GS, drawing that pension, then getting re-hired as a GS again and continuing to draw that pension.Man With No Name wrote:
I dont see it as being much different from retiring from the military and then getting your GS rating as a federal employee.FEOS wrote:
That's a different situation. He's drawing city retirement while still working for the city. He's either retired or he isn't.Man With No Name wrote:
Bernard Parks was the former Los Angeles police chief.
He did what many soldiers I know have done. Retire from the service and get cushy government jobs.
You plan on calling it a day in your late 30's?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Parks served one branch of the city, the police department. He retired from that and became a legislator.FEOS wrote:
It would be more like retiring as a GS, drawing that pension, then getting re-hired as a GS again and continuing to draw that pension.Man With No Name wrote:
I dont see it as being much different from retiring from the military and then getting your GS rating as a federal employee.FEOS wrote:
That's a different situation. He's drawing city retirement while still working for the city. He's either retired or he isn't.
I'm a communist for thinking that a 22k a month pension for a retired police officer is too much?
Where do you think the money paying that and other officers pensions comes from?
Oh the people, so I don't know about you but that seems like it could put 3-4 other cops on the beat to "protect and serve".
Where do you think the money paying that and other officers pensions comes from?
Oh the people, so I don't know about you but that seems like it could put 3-4 other cops on the beat to "protect and serve".
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