i assumed accidental as in dodgy civil an shelling by the IDF went a bit wayward, you know usual story.usmarine wrote:
thats why i asked. but troll nozzle had to open his flap.
Murder requires intent, even if in the moment. Accidental means it wasn't murder.Varegg wrote:
If you concider the fact that the patrol he was leading on the border of Israel and Lebanon was well informed about in advance he was murdered allthough it was accidental ... it was a routine patrol that was very common so it shouldn't have been a surprice for the Israelis that UN tropps were in the area ...usmarine wrote:
ja...and i know what murder means.m3thod wrote:
errrmmmm you do know what accidentally means right?
Please draw pics for lord troll to understand.FEOS wrote:
Murder requires intent, even if in the moment. Accidental means it wasn't murder.Varegg wrote:
If you concider the fact that the patrol he was leading on the border of Israel and Lebanon was well informed about in advance he was murdered allthough it was accidental ... it was a routine patrol that was very common so it shouldn't have been a surprice for the Israelis that UN tropps were in the area ...usmarine wrote:
ja...and i know what murder means.
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i dont understand what you are getting at. i am not the one calling it murder dumb shit.m3thod wrote:
Please draw pics for lord troll to understand.
flip flop flip flopusmarine wrote:
i dont understand what you are getting at. i am not the one calling it murder dumb shit.m3thod wrote:
Please draw pics for lord troll to understand.
ermm3thod wrote:
flip flop flip flopusmarine wrote:
i dont understand what you are getting at. i am not the one calling it murder dumb shit.m3thod wrote:
Please draw pics for lord troll to understand.
Killing unintentional is still murder FEOS, ask any lawyer ... murder does not require intent ...FEOS wrote:
Murder requires intent, even if in the moment. Accidental means it wasn't murder.Varegg wrote:
If you concider the fact that the patrol he was leading on the border of Israel and Lebanon was well informed about in advance he was murdered allthough it was accidental ... it was a routine patrol that was very common so it shouldn't have been a surprice for the Israelis that UN tropps were in the area ...usmarine wrote:
ja...and i know what murder means.
we should take this to a pollusmarine wrote:
ermm3thod wrote:
flip flop flip flopusmarine wrote:
i dont understand what you are getting at. i am not the one calling it murder dumb shit.
egg is calling it murder. go ask him why. oh thats right, you cant. why? cause you are a troll.
Unintentional killing is manslaughter, not murder.Varegg wrote:
Killing unintentional is still murder FEOS, ask any lawyer ... murder does not require intent ...FEOS wrote:
Murder requires intent, even if in the moment. Accidental means it wasn't murder.Varegg wrote:
If you concider the fact that the patrol he was leading on the border of Israel and Lebanon was well informed about in advance he was murdered allthough it was accidental ... it was a routine patrol that was very common so it shouldn't have been a surprice for the Israelis that UN tropps were in the area ...
He was in a commonly patrolled area, IDF was aware UN troops were there at that very time, IDF fired and kill a UN trooper ... accidental but still murder ...
see...you still cant ask him can you. you have to stick with me. as for your game...its obvious. YOU rarely, and i mean very very rarely EVER make a thread. ever. you just troll. thats a fact.m3thod wrote:
we should take this to a pollusmarine wrote:
ermm3thod wrote:
flip flop flip flop
egg is calling it murder. go ask him why. oh thats right, you cant. why? cause you are a troll.
who is the greatest troll. 3 day ban for the loser. Game?
When a certain degree of recklessness is involved it is counted as murder ...FEOS wrote:
Unintentional killing is manslaughter, not murder.Varegg wrote:
Killing unintentional is still murder FEOS, ask any lawyer ... murder does not require intent ...FEOS wrote:
Murder requires intent, even if in the moment. Accidental means it wasn't murder.
He was in a commonly patrolled area, IDF was aware UN troops were there at that very time, IDF fired and kill a UN trooper ... accidental but still murder ...
Accidental absolutely means it wasn't murder.
I think you're the one who needs to ask a lawyer, Varegg.
And what recklessness was involved there? That recklessness has to be proven (and willful) for the act to be considered murder (of any degree).Varegg wrote:
When a certain degree of recklessness is involved it is counted as murder ...FEOS wrote:
Unintentional killing is manslaughter, not murder.Varegg wrote:
Killing unintentional is still murder FEOS, ask any lawyer ... murder does not require intent ...
He was in a commonly patrolled area, IDF was aware UN troops were there at that very time, IDF fired and kill a UN trooper ... accidental but still murder ...
Accidental absolutely means it wasn't murder.
I think you're the one who needs to ask a lawyer, Varegg.
Not going to go into a huge debate about legal semantics with you FEOS but the IDF soldier was tried and found guilty of murder over some international law I'm not familiar with in English terms ... best explained as he was aiming to kill but killed the wrong person and with the term wrong person I'm meaning he thought it was someone else.FEOS wrote:
And what recklessness was involved there? That recklessness has to be proven (and willful) for the act to be considered murder (of any degree).Varegg wrote:
When a certain degree of recklessness is involved it is counted as murder ...FEOS wrote:
Unintentional killing is manslaughter, not murder.
Accidental absolutely means it wasn't murder.
I think you're the one who needs to ask a lawyer, Varegg.
At most, the situation you described was manslaughter, not murder.
Now, if there was proof that the IDF soldiers involved knew those they were shooting at were UN...that's a totally different story. Said proof has not been included in your anecdote.
To be clear: None of this is to denigrate what happened to the person you described. In the end, someone still died unexpectedly and tragically.
pussied out.usmarine wrote:
see...you still cant ask him can you. you have to stick with me. as for your game...its obvious. YOU rarely, and i mean very very rarely EVER make a thread. ever. you just troll. thats a fact.m3thod wrote:
we should take this to a pollusmarine wrote:
erm
egg is calling it murder. go ask him why. oh thats right, you cant. why? cause you are a troll.
who is the greatest troll. 3 day ban for the loser. Game?
Ah. That's a completely different issue. Those details in your original post would've eliminated the debate.Varegg wrote:
Not going to go into a huge debate about legal semantics with you FEOS but the IDF soldier was tried and found guilty of murder over some international law I'm not familiar with in English terms ... best explained as he was aiming to kill but killed the wrong person and with the term wrong person I'm meaning he thought it was someone else.FEOS wrote:
And what recklessness was involved there? That recklessness has to be proven (and willful) for the act to be considered murder (of any degree).Varegg wrote:
When a certain degree of recklessness is involved it is counted as murder ...
At most, the situation you described was manslaughter, not murder.
Now, if there was proof that the IDF soldiers involved knew those they were shooting at were UN...that's a totally different story. Said proof has not been included in your anecdote.
To be clear: None of this is to denigrate what happened to the person you described. In the end, someone still died unexpectedly and tragically.
Edit: Found it ... it's called Transferred intent.
I'd say so. It's not like "drinking and driving is a bad combo" is news to anyone. People know fully well that they shouldn't have too much to drink if they plan on driving any time soon. There's a reason I think people who kill others while driving drunk should be locked up for life or just shot in the head.mtb0minime wrote:
Can't say I know anyone who's been murdered, but would getting killed by a drunk driver count?
DADDY MUMMY STOP FIGHTINGVaregg wrote:
Not going to go into a huge debate about legal semantics with you FEOS but the IDF soldier was tried and found guilty of murder over some international law I'm not familiar with in English terms ... best explained as he was aiming to kill but killed the wrong person and with the term wrong person I'm meaning he thought it was someone else.FEOS wrote:
And what recklessness was involved there? That recklessness has to be proven (and willful) for the act to be considered murder (of any degree).Varegg wrote:
When a certain degree of recklessness is involved it is counted as murder ...
At most, the situation you described was manslaughter, not murder.
Now, if there was proof that the IDF soldiers involved knew those they were shooting at were UN...that's a totally different story. Said proof has not been included in your anecdote.
To be clear: None of this is to denigrate what happened to the person you described. In the end, someone still died unexpectedly and tragically.
Edit: Found it ... it's called Transferred intent.
Go to your room. Adults are talking.Magpie wrote:
DADDY MUMMY STOP FIGHTINGVaregg wrote:
Not going to go into a huge debate about legal semantics with you FEOS but the IDF soldier was tried and found guilty of murder over some international law I'm not familiar with in English terms ... best explained as he was aiming to kill but killed the wrong person and with the term wrong person I'm meaning he thought it was someone else.FEOS wrote:
And what recklessness was involved there? That recklessness has to be proven (and willful) for the act to be considered murder (of any degree).
At most, the situation you described was manslaughter, not murder.
Now, if there was proof that the IDF soldiers involved knew those they were shooting at were UN...that's a totally different story. Said proof has not been included in your anecdote.
To be clear: None of this is to denigrate what happened to the person you described. In the end, someone still died unexpectedly and tragically.
Edit: Found it ... it's called Transferred intent.
Just for the record ... I'm the DADFEOS wrote:
Go to your room. Adults are talking.Magpie wrote:
DADDY MUMMY STOP FIGHTINGVaregg wrote:
Not going to go into a huge debate about legal semantics with you FEOS but the IDF soldier was tried and found guilty of murder over some international law I'm not familiar with in English terms ... best explained as he was aiming to kill but killed the wrong person and with the term wrong person I'm meaning he thought it was someone else.
Edit: Found it ... it's called Transferred intent.